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crimesofpassionandy

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« on: October 14, 2007, 09:07:28 PM »
I'm struggling to make work my 7 string guitar and Peavey 5150 cabs. On certain notes, the cab resonates badly and sound unusable. With my regular 6 strings the cab sounds ok, so it's not like the speakers are fried. What would be the best cab to use with this guitar setup? I want something that's nice and crisp sounding with a tight, focussed low end to track the lower notes.

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2007, 09:28:50 PM »
what amp you usin  :roll:
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2007, 09:29:52 PM »
You could try using a different pair of speakers in there with a different resonance?  That might stop the problems you're having?

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 11:36:47 PM »
I have a 6-string downtuned to A-E-A-D-F#-B and I used a Peavey 5150 cab (with Peavey 5150-II amp into it). At very very high volume (ie >5 on post) the speakers begin to sound a little bit flabby, but otherwise it's tight and punchy at the lows.

For what it's worth, I have resonance at full and low very high on the amp.

There could be several causes of the trouble you're having, such as (eg, and not limited to) problem with the speakers, loose fixing of the speakers to the cab, an even more bassy sound than mine (heh, unlikely :D), too much power going in (again, unlikely, this is a 320W cab!).

For what it's worth, I'm planning to get myself some Celestion G12K-100s, and possibly two other speakers (maybe Eminence wizards?) to go in the cab to replace the stock Sheffields. You might want to try checking the cones of all the speakers, also checking the fixings.

From my own experience with my 5150 cab, it's unlikely that the cab 'without a problem' can't cope with a 7-string...

Roo

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 09:59:58 AM »
tighten the screws and fixings up on your cab...

crimesofpassionandy

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 05:57:43 PM »
I'll get the old screwdriver out and give things a check over. The amps an Engl Blackmore by the way, and in total I have 4 of these cabs which all do it. That's what makes the problem more unusual. It's at it worst on the clean channel with my MXR Phase 90 engaged. So don't use the MXR and clean channel I hear you say....... :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2007, 06:09:21 PM »
Celestion vintage 30's are always great speakers to replace stock ones
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 06:11:14 PM »
You need a cab that's got a lot more mass and won't resonate with those low notes.

Rivera, Mesa, Ear Candy, and Hiwatt all have very rigid cabinets. My Rivera and Hiwatt cabs weigh a tonne, but they are very inert.

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 11:48:24 PM »
EV speakers do it for me.. :twisted:
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2007, 04:00:26 AM »
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/detail.asp?ID=2

the best and the lightest celestion speaker ever!
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2007, 07:47:51 AM »
Quote from: crimesofpassionandy
in total I have 4 of these cabs which all do it.


Do all of the cabs have the same type of speakers in ?    If the answer is yes then I feel you do need to do some experimenting with speakers.

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2007, 11:39:59 AM »
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
You need a cab that's got a lot more mass and won't resonate with those low notes.


This does help, i only use the heaviest of cabs. Today cabs are made lighter and less deep then the older types, Marshall even made several types, including their heaviest model which had a "Bass" inscription on the tolex. Still a light and open cabinet is less lightly to have a problem with bass resonance.

BUT this sounds like a loose speaker, so tighten those damn speaker screws. If that doesnt work (cant image it would but anyway), keep your cabinet open, put it on wheels or put some polystyrine under it. Then you can check where the problem lies.

If your speakers sound a bit like a horn and the bass tones sound flabby and dark the cones are broken, if you use heavy palmmutes alot i would go for 15 inch eminence speaker which can cope better with extreme low end metal riffs.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2007, 11:58:20 AM »
mmm that commonwealth 15 looks amazing, any particular pointers on which of those 15" speakers is best? I prefer a slightly (but not too) scooped sound. I'd be looking to pair a 1 x 15 cab (or maybe 2 x 15 for fun) with my 4 x 12 cab (when I get enough money to change those sheffields over to 2 x wizard + 2 x g12k-100).

Should be awesome!

Roo