any good fast legato players on this board?

[Pauldem]

I think as Afghan Dave pointed out, this is not something you can resolve as long as preference and opinion are involved. I can give Randy credit for helping in Ozzy's rebirth, but again Ozzy's other guitarists have helped him sustain and further increase his fame over the last 25 years.

If Randy is the man that got a guitar in your hands, then that makes him an inspirational talent. The best part now is finding all the other players that feed that inspiration and fuel you to the next level. 8)

[il˙ti]

Edit : My main gripe with Hendrix was not that I didn't like what he did on guitar but that so many people I knew went on and on and on about him and it just irritated the hell out me  to the point that i couldn't listen to him and enjoy what he did without being reminded of the people who couldn't shut up about him. That is why I started off by saying about over exposure. It has taken me a long time to get over the resistance I felt due to having it rammed down my throat.  

Even though I love Hendrix, I can totally relate to that. I have a friend who literally thinks Jimmy Page is one of the most innovative, and therefore best, guitarists for the sole reason that he used a violin bow and a doubleneck. Try telling him that you think there were better guitarists and he'd say "yeah better technically, but they didn't think of using a violin bow!" I really like Led Zeppelin, but the fact that they "did it first" doesn't stop me from liking Whitesnake better.

Another thing that bugs me is when people say "Hendrix wasn't very technical, but he could play with feeling" and "Yngwie is very technical, but he can't play with feeling". Listen when Yngwie actually slows down. The man CAN play with feeling, and does it phenomenally. Likewise, I think Hendrix was very technical. (Shawn Lane says he is. Who am I to say Shawn Lane is wrong about technique?)

[jt]

:D 1st off just for the record RR isn`t my guitar hero as such i was mearly pointing out that much of what RR inspired others & has been copied by even more.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion as Johnathon @ feline has said i to am not a Hendrix fan but theres no way you could convince me that he wasn`t one of the most important or inspirational guitarists of all time because the evidence is just overwhelming agaisnt. I only remind you that the context was what was important to RR legacy. As i said Ozzy was a big name here in the UK but America was almost a different world. Like most of the older players here i was raised on Clapton, Page, & Beck [ The Holy Trinity to coin a phrase] with honuorable mentions to Peter Green [who i prefered] George Harrison, Hendrix, Townsend. EVH was so far left feild from all these heavy Blues influenced players that he seemed unreal. Schenker [ who is arguably my favourite guitar player] was a breath of fresh air, but it was RR who "Woke" us all up to the new order & yes thats probably because he was playing with Ozzy.

I saw Ozzy with Jake who was a great player but could never write the tunes, Brad Gillis who should`ve been asked to stay & Zakk. The simple truth is without RR you probably wouldn`t have had any off `em.

And my point about "Band Players" was that you used it in a very Condesending manner as if to denigrate a player to being of a 2nd class nature because he wasn`t an instrumentalist ie Satriani, Vai etc. Even if this wasn`t your intention its how it came across i`m afraid. Like Feline its these "Band Players" that have me playing air guitar then & now !

 :D  8)

[Pauldem]

Well first off, I never made any comment about 'Band Players', I always thought that all guitar players are band players but there we go. I actually prefer non-instrumentalists, as they have to cram all their joy into 8 bars. Thats the kinda focus that creates great things. 8)

I think when you mentioned that Ozzy was reborn with Randy,  what he achieved started to sink in. Essentially providing Ozzy with a new vehicle, which he could then go onto conquer the world with over the last 2 decades. Funnily enough I was reading on the Wiki, (mainly lies I know.) that RR had disliked Page for his sloppy playing and was not a fan of Hendrix. It seems that we all have our loves and hates.

I have just one minor gripe Bark at the Moon, Rock N Roll Rebel, Shot in the Dark. How are none of those great songs?? :D

Apologies for my trinity being slightly different, I do like Beck but had to find him myself. For some reason Pa never got on with him. I think of the golden age players, he's probably the most interesting today.

Cheers Paul

[dave_mc]

Edit : My main gripe with Hendrix was not that I didn't like what he did on guitar but that so many people I knew went on and on and on about him and it just irritated the hell out me  to the point that i couldn't listen to him and enjoy what he did without being reminded of the people who couldn't shut up about him. That is why I started off by saying about over exposure. It has taken me a long time to get over the resistance I felt due to having it rammed down my throat. I try to retain a fairly open mind about most things other than Jazz  :minigun:  

same thing happened me with football... my dad and my two uni flatmates were fanatics... put me off it. I actually used to like football... :lol: I understand where you're coming from.

[jt]

:D 3 songs off of what 3 albums, Oh & by the way just for the record Shot in the Dark was written by the bass player !

Again your right we all have different "Holy Trinitys" as it were. As i said It was merly a comment about Context & bearing in mind the era that players occupie at the time they do there thing.

Again like you i prefer band players, there far more fun to listen to !

 :D  8)

[Pauldem]

Another case solved  thanks to teamwork and guitar playing! :twisted:

Out of kindness I'll give Randy 'Crazy Train' as his only good song and that's only for the opening riff! Pretty poor show for 2 albums I'd say

[FELINEGUITARS]

Wonder if we will ever get this thread back on topic.

I feel that it has been more interesting for being off the subject, but any takers for the original question?

[Philly Q]

:Like most of the older players here i was raised on Clapton, Page, & Beck [ The Holy Trinity to coin a phrase] with honuorable mentions to Peter Green [who i prefered] George Harrison, Hendrix, Townsend.

Don't forget Ritchie Blackmore!!  When I first got into rock music in the late '70s and early '80s, Blackmore was consistently coming top of the polls year after year in Sounds and Melody Maker (yes, all the music papers had polls in those days  :roll: ).  

Coming back to the topic of players who revolutionised guitar playing - in particular Van Halen - for all the huge influence EVH had on guitarists in the States from '78 onwards, I don't remember most fans in the UK taking much notice at all for the first few albums.  Maybe it was just my circle of friends, but we didn't get into American bands in general until later in the 80s - they were regarded as a bit flash and poncey.  We were all much more into British and European bands (oh and Rush, but they're not American either).

I'd say there was a lot more fuss made in the UK about the Blizzard of Ozz album than any of the early Van Halen.  Ozzy hadn't become a huge US star yet and it was essentially a British band (albeit one with American and Australian members).  We used to play the Crazy Train 7" single (I still have it somewhere) over and over again in our little 6th-form common room.  1980 was an awesome year, because not only did Ozzy have a great new band, but Sabbath came back with the mighty Heaven and Hell.

I saw Ozzy with Jake who was a great player but could never write the tunes, Brad Gillis who should`ve been asked to stay & Zakk.

I think Gillis only toured with Ozzy on the understanding that he was always intending to return to Night Ranger (or Ranger as it was at the time).  He was excellent though, Talk Of The Devil is still my favourite Ozzy album.

[CJ]

Another case solved  thanks to teamwork and guitar playing! :twisted:

Out of kindness I'll give Randy 'Crazy Train' as his only good song and that's only for the opening riff! Pretty poor show for 2 albums I'd say

i will kill you.

[noodleplugerine]

I agree with what has been said about Hendrix in this case.

Hendrix was imo a more influential, and more deserving of recognition than Randy.

That being said though, he's another enormously overrated player - His songs were superb, but his playing wouldn't be considered particularly special today. Ofcourse at the time it was "Revolutionary", but that kind of argument is extremely weak in my eyes, because the fact that he did what he did, doesn't mean that if he didn't do what he did, nobody else would do what he did - If you see what I mean.

Shawn Lane is ofcourse by all means one of the greatest guitarists that have ever lived, and ofcourse, if he says Hendrix was technical, I'm neither one to agree with him, but that being said, he's weighted as one of the best guitarists of all time, but frankly, I disagree - Perhaps he's a brilliant song writer, but not the best, and perhaps he's a great guitarist, but then again, he's not the best.

He's simply the best at being Hendrix.

[jt]

:D DOH !!

How could i forget Blackmore  :roll: or Angus or May hey there you go another "Holy Trinity"  :D

 :D  8)

[Pauldem]

i will kill you.

I smell a 'head cuttin'' coming on.  8) When i'm in the US next we can battle it out, if you win I might give you Dee as well :twisted:

[CJ]

i will kill you.

I smell a 'head cuttin'' coming on.  8) When i'm in the US next we can battle it out, if you win I might give you Dee as well :twisted:

boomshakalaka.

[Johnny Mac]

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