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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2010, 07:42:02 PM »
Ps- Respectfully stated, I don't feel this thread should be one for off topic.

Meh, go nuts. Hardly any other thread round here stays on topic long :lol: As long as the numbers keep rolling in, I dont mind

X, yes, indeed ;)

Oh ok, it's your thread MDV, I just noticed for me it was distracting in gathering in this type of topic/thread, and thought it would make it cleaner and easier for you and others' too.

By all means go nuts and off topic at will, and disregard my opinion and idea, I retract it upon further review and thought.  They'll be no more interruption from me concerning any idea's pertaining to this thread.

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2010, 08:20:49 PM »
God, this is difficult, but I feel I should have a go:

Black Dog (bridge)    B:6 M:5 T:5
Stormy Monday (neck)    B:5 M:4 T:6
Abraxas (neck)    B:6 M:6 T:6
Rebel Yell (bridge)    B:4 M:7 T:7
Riff Raff (bridge)    B:5 M:5 T:7
Cold Sweat (bridge)    B:6 M:5 T:8
Cold Sweat (neck)    B:6 M:6 T:7
Crawler (bridge)    B:7 M:7 T:5
Crawler (neck)    B:6 M:6 T:5
BKPs I've Got:  RR, BKP-91, ITs, VHII, CS set, Emeralds
BKPs I Had:  RY+Abraxas, Crawlers, BD+SM

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2010, 02:38:07 PM »
Incidentally, Mark, aren't the later results going to be biased by previous results? Would almost be better to have the results hidden until they're all in, but that will probably make it even more difficult to get responses. I think your biggest issue here will be reaching a statistically significant number of responses - especially unbiased ones!

Good luck, though. :)

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2010, 03:39:43 PM »
Incidentally, Mark, aren't the later results going to be biased by previous results? Would almost be better to have the results hidden until they're all in, but that will probably make it even more difficult to get responses. I think your biggest issue here will be reaching a statistically significant number of responses - especially unbiased ones!

Good luck, though. :)

The thought has occured to me.

I considered asking people to send them to me directly, or not read other responses, but on the other hand, maybe there are as many people that look at the estimates and go 'thats bollocks! Its 6-8-7!', as I do :lol: Its a good point though, and I'll invite people to make their estimates without reading the others, but I cant make them not read them!

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2010, 03:52:45 PM »
Oh, and since I'm here

Philly - thanks mate

Whiteram - chill mate

That will be all

Keep them coming!


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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2010, 09:42:40 PM »
Incidentally, Mark, aren't the later results going to be biased by previous results? Would almost be better to have the results hidden until they're all in, but that will probably make it even more difficult to get responses. I think your biggest issue here will be reaching a statistically significant number of responses - especially unbiased ones!

Good luck, though. :)

The thought has occured to me.

I considered asking people to send them to me directly, or not read other responses, but on the other hand, maybe there are as many people that look at the estimates and go 'thats bollocks! Its 6-8-7!', as I do :lol: Its a good point though, and I'll invite people to make their estimates without reading the others, but I cant make them not read them!

I found it helpful to look at other people's responses - I probably would've struggled to get started without them.  I mean, what's an "average" bass or midrange for a humbucker?  Do you take it as, say, 5?  And if you do, do you use the same "scale" to rate single-coils, or a different one?

It was good to use other ratings, not to copy them but just as reference points to help me focus more on my own thoughts.
BKPs I've Got:  RR, BKP-91, ITs, VHII, CS set, Emeralds
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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2010, 10:00:45 PM »
Hmmm...that would be the biasing that roo spoke of! (previous results influencing later ones, which though I'll take your word, one BK forumite to another, that your final estimates are your own, if I were in full scientist mode, I'd have to abandon those estimates....but I'm not in full science mode).

Still though, hopfully this is another of those things that will (hopefully) not end up distorting the data. I certainly cant stop people doing it and would rather have the results in amongst totally independent ones than not have them at all.

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2010, 10:32:29 PM »
Well, you know, you're free to delete my responses if you like, it's your survey.  :)

But I suspect nearly everyone who's replied has looked at the other responses.  

Even if they haven't, we've probably all formed our ideas of what constitutes a "6", a "7" or an "8" by spending years looking at the tone charts on DiMarzio or Duncan's websites and catalogues.  We're not living in a bubble.
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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2010, 10:47:09 PM »
Well, you know, you're free to delete my responses if you like, it's your survey.  :)

But I suspect nearly everyone who's replied has looked at the other responses. 

Even if they haven't, we've probably all formed our ideas of what constitutes a "6", a "7" or an "8" by spending years looking at the tone charts on DiMarzio or Duncan's websites and catalogues.  We're not living in a bubble.

No, certainly not going to do that.

I am, however, relying on precisely the sort of thing youre talking about with the other tonecharts. The point is making a usable set of figures that represents the pickups as well as possible with as many conceivable circumstances as possible so that it 'works' for as many people that read it as possible, and the long-term assimilation of semi-arbitrary measures like those normally given by a manufacturer (which are little better in my view than any given estimate from an experienced user) are one part of that. For want of a better term its one component of a 'collective unconcious' understanding of tone. Horribly wrong application of the term I know, but hopefully it gets the idea across - many people have had their judgments of pickups eq framed and calibrated by such charts, and some havent (I for one havent looked at one in years), some will dissagree with them, some will use them as reference points, some treat them as gospel and their infulence will be seen here, but it wont be ubiquitous or introduce what we sciencey types would call a 'systematic error'.

What will introduce a systematic error, if enough people do it, is looking at estimates for the pickups they're estimating; they may/will tend to trend along with each other after being set by the first people that spoke up. I dont want people to doubt their own ears when doing this, and I dont want anyone to look to any other estimates as guides or moral support for their own. I just want people to read the OP, give it 5 seconds thought and go "_Pickup_ is about 6-5-7", quite possibly infulenced in part by years of looking at tone charts and maybe not, then go see what others said about that pickup. Some people will do that and some wont, and theres nothing I can do about that, but thats the ideal way for people to go about it.

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2010, 01:39:37 PM »
Alnico warpig - Treb, 5. Mid 7, bass 9
Grind, 6. Compression, 6
Very suited for clean too. big epic distortion tone. Suited for most styles of metal

C-pig. - Treb, 6,7. Mid, 8, Bass 8
Grind 8, compression 7,5
Extremely suited for Extreme metal
ok cleans

Painkiller - treb, 6-7. Mid 8, bass 6
Grind 7 Compression 7
Really nice pickup for metal too. ok cleans

Miracle man - treb 8. mid 7, bass 5
Grind 9 Compression 8
Extremely good for more technical death metal & old school staccato thrash. Not a very good "suffo" style pickup tho.
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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2010, 09:44:44 PM »
Emerald Bridge:  B 7 - M 6 - T 7

Custom '62 Neck:  B 6 - M 4 - T 6

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2010, 07:48:36 PM »
I only own and have played the Holy Diver.      Here goes.....

Output - Med
Bass - 4
Mid - 7
treb - 3

Mine is in a strat - alder body.   Maple/Rosewood neck

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2010, 04:30:47 PM »
here goes.

Black Dog Bridge:
B: 6
M: 6
T: 4

Mule Neck:
B: 5
M: 5
T: 7

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2010, 02:29:22 AM »
Thanks chaps, your estimates have been included!

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Re: BK Users EQ Charts - Your Experiences Please
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2010, 04:04:03 PM »
                             Bass  Mids Treble   Output                 
Riff Raff Custom*      6      5       8          L/M       

* mine is about 5% overwound and has a 4 mm magnet, so it's hotter and more bass heavy than a regular Riff Raff
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