Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: TheDev01dOne on October 14, 2008, 07:53:41 AM
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Well after a long troublesome eBay transaction my new guitar finally arrived yesterday and it's as awesome as I expected it to be. Sounds and plays great, is kinda beat up which I was expecting anyway, don't really like new guitars as I tend to baby them instead of playing them. Looks good with the rest of the collection..
It's the CAR '62 reissue Esquire. MIJ 1985... Also in the pic L-R.. MIJ '54 reissue Esquire from '86.. My hot-rod partscaster Esquire.. and laying down is my heavily modded Squier Standard Tele (BKP Yardbirds in that one)
Hope you like..
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh5/TheDev01dOne/MIJ%2062%20Custom%20Esquire/PICT0430.jpg)
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i think i like the squire best... beat up like a tele should be
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Most excellent! (Roo, where are yer?) :D
How do you find the reverse control plates? Does the switch get in the way of the tone control, or do you not use it much (since they're mostly Esquires)?
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i think i like the squire best... beat up like a tele should be
Hi Wez, the black one in the middle is the one that I emailed you about the new nut and stuff fixing..
Most excellent! (Roo, where are yer?) :D
How do you find the reverse control plates? Does the switch get in the way of the tone control, or do you not use it much (since they're mostly Esquires)?
Yeah I don't really use the tone controls on the fly, I usually find where I like it and leave it there and then switch between the bypass and middle positions for rhythm lead sounds. Unless I want that voodoo chile switch flicking wah wah kinda sound when I'll just use the tone control for that and then put it back up full.
I like the volue knob closer and the switch is easy enough to use no matter where it is so they work pretty good but I can live with the either way.
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Most excellent! (Roo, where are yer?) :D
I'm waiting for the explosion...
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Ahhhh my eyes!!!! Where was the warning in the topic title???!!!?!
Utterly, utterly hideous :(
Roo
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All these new guitars are not helping my current GAS/mental state :o
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Good looking set :D
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This board is becoming the Church of the Telecaster, soon we will bring vengeance to the unbelievers :D
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Love it. Red Edgebound Fenders are just damnably handsome.
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very very nice :)
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Nice guitars!!! Makes me wish a Esquire :oops:
Don't mind Roo, if the guitar is not gay oriented, he doesn't like it... We shall respect him for his ütter corage to face the conservative world and try to brake it! And he doesn't even live in Amsterdam :twisted:
Go Roo! :lol:
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Hahaha FE ;)
Just because you don't like being told that you look gay when you play a telecaster, don't go turning that around, now ;)
:D
But seriously, what is wrong with you people?
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Love it. Red Edgebound Fenders are just damnably handsome.
Oh alright then, sorry for the thread hijack.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/IMGP2254.jpg)
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Lovely guitars- they look very manly.
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Lovely guitars- they look very manly.
Except for the saddles that is.
Sorry they are actually really nice looking teles, and although I have a thing about Esquires, bound teles are the nicest looking of all
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Love it. Red Edgebound Fenders are just damnably handsome.
Oh alright then, sorry for the thread hijack.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/IMGP2254.jpg)
What's the story with the middle thinline? I've had my eye on one for a while but don't like the colour options, and binding would be sweeeeeet.
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Lovely guitars- they look very manly.
Except for the saddles that is.
Sorry they are actually really nice looking teles, and although I have a thing about Esquires, bound teles are the nicest looking of all
What's wrong with the saddles? Admittedly Philly's got girly ones on his, but TheDev01dOne has manly ones on three out of four...
:wink:
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What's the story with the middle thinline? I've had my eye on one for a while but don't like the colour options, and binding would be sweeeeeet.
It's a 1997 USA one, I bought it new. The model was actually called the "90s Tele Thinline" - bound ash body and pearloid scratchplate, everything else is exactly the same as an American Standard Tele from that era. The colour is "crimson transparent", I believe (it's got quite nice grain but it didn't come out in that pic).
It's one of my least-modified guitars - it's had a few different pickups but right now it's completely stock apart from pearloid tuner buttons to combat the neck-heaviness.
They discontinued the model in the early '00s, and I'm pretty sure there's no Thinline in the current Fender USA range.
What's wrong with the saddles? Admittedly Philly's got girly ones on his, but TheDev01dOne has manly ones on three out of four...
:wink:
Yeah, I'm thinking I might sell the Baja and put a Glendale vintage style bridge on one of those three, but I'm not sure which one. The others are keeping the girly saddles. :wink:
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Just because you don't like being told that you look gay when you play a telecaster, don't go turning that around, now ;)
:D
But seriously, what is wrong with you people?
I am going to have to thoroughly agree with Roo here. Even though my hatred is not as strong for the Telez as Roo (and i even like a SELECT few), they look fvckin weird and ungainly. The day i pick up a Tele will be the day i reach my grave. I would never consider picking one up, and i mean, come on, there is a certain queer element to them. I mean, just look at them - they are like something out of a pretentious artfvck artdeco community, or some weird modern art gallery.
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Yeah, I'm thinking I might sell the Baja and put a Glendale vintage style bridge on one of those three, but I'm not sure which one. The others are keeping the girly saddles. :wink:
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Might sell?? Already?
Shouldn't have called her "Badger", try a nice name like "Emilia" or something for a week or so, you might bond a little better :lol:
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i mean, come on, there is a certain queer element to them. I mean, just look at them - they are like something out of a pretentious artfvck artdeco community, or some weird modern art gallery.
Aren't you a fan of things like RGs? Do you honestly think they look really butch with all those slender pointy bits, day-glo colours and that puny little toothpick of a neck?
And as for the weird modern art thing, I'm sure I've seen you raving about Conklins before.
(http://www.instrumento.cz/img/clanky/inf/news/conklin_vaiwhitesnake.jpg)
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Might sell?? Already?
Shouldn't have called her "Badger", try a nice name like "Emilia" or something for a week or so, you might bond a little better :lol:
Just a possibility! What I've learned from the Baja is that "traditional" Tele tone is really all about the bridge, so I could basically get that by changing the bridge on one of my other Teles. I'm just thinking do I really want four of them?
Another alternative is making Badger a relic project, but I'm not at all sure I want to go down that road.
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I want a Telecaster......... :(
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Another alternative is making Badger a relic project, but I'm not at all sure I want to go down that road.
I suspect the finish on the body might need a lot of hard work to get it to "age" nicely :?
I want a Telecaster......... :(
Sounds like yer ole Uncle Philly has your christmas pressie all ready for you... Just get that letter off to him Father Christmas asap :D
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I suspect the finish on the body might need a lot of hard work to get it to "age" nicely :?
Yeah, apparently poly is relic-able, but it doesn't lend itself to the process the way nitro does.
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I wouldn't mind a Baja or maye just the S1 switching to put in my Squier.
Relicing a poly finish would be a major pain in the arse I suspect, especially to make it look convincing.
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Yeah, I might settle for a bit of wire-wool treatment just to take the shine off - it's not the sort of guitar which should have a shiny finish.
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i mean, come on, there is a certain queer element to them. I mean, just look at them - they are like something out of a pretentious artfvck artdeco community, or some weird modern art gallery.
Aren't you a fan of things like RGs? Do you honestly think they look really butch with all those slender pointy bits, day-glo colours and that puny little toothpick of a neck?
And as for the weird modern art thing, I'm sure I've seen you raving about Conklins before.
I am not saying that i look butch with my RGs. Butch is effectively reserved for LPs and SGs, no contest, no comment, period. But they certainly aren't queer like a Telecaster, what with that strange bridge contraption, that very odd bulbous body shape, not to mention that REVOLTING headstock.
As for Conklins, well, my general perception of most of the stuff they make over there, on an aesthetic level, is "ICK!" However, as a luthier i am awed at the level of skill and craftsmanship that goes into making those "wood melts." Some of the stuff they do is nice, but the ones i like are more along the lines of and similar to ESP LTD superstrats. That whitesnake guitar is an ocular rape.
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I think you might be taking this whole thing a bit far.. A guitar is a guitar, I'm pretty sure it defines nothing about your sexual orientation.
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I think you might be taking this whole thing a bit far.. A guitar is a guitar, I'm pretty sure it defines nothing about your sexual orientation.
Sadly, in the case of Telecasters, it really does :(
I with Oppo - that guitar that Philly showed above is totally hideous. Less hideous and less offensive than a Telecaster, but still totally hideous. Yes, that's possible.
As proven in the previous topic where people put up pictures of people playing telecasters, there is NO-ONE on this planet who can "de-gay" a telecaster. It's a real shame, but there it is.
By the way, this is nothing about the sound or music, this is purely aesthetics. Having said that, I've yet to hear in person a telecaster either played well or sounding nice - but that's only my admittedly very limited experience.
Roo
PS 38th - LOL @ "manly" :)
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I think you might be taking this whole thing a bit far.. A guitar is a guitar, I'm pretty sure it defines nothing about your sexual orientation.
You're 100% correct, but they'll never give up...
Of course it's well known that people who are obsessed with other people's (and guitars' :roll: :roll: ) sexuality tend to have deep-rooted "issues" of their own. It's not healthy to bottle it up.
I'm sure Roo and Oppo secretly spend hours fiddling with themselves over at the Telecaster Forum under assumed names. Sometimes they even sneak into Country & Western bars for a quick fix of Pink Paisley, then drink heavily to get over the shame....
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Could I get a link to this thread with a bunch of gay looking Telecaster players? (Insert joke about the naysayers having it bookmarked for 'alone time')
Seriously though I wanna see.
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I *think* it was in the Roobaiting thread, but I'm not sure...
Roo
PS lol philly, Goading me will get you everywhere! :D
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Nice guitars! There's nothing gay about teles. Its the ones that try too hard to be butch that look cr@p!
I've wanted a tele since I got into The stranglers 30 odd years ago!
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I've wanted a tele since I got into The stranglers 30 odd years ago!
No, no I mustn't... that's just too easy...
:D
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Could I get a link to this thread with a bunch of gay looking Telecaster players? (Insert joke about the naysayers having it bookmarked for 'alone time')
Seriously though I wanna see.
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.0 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.0)
It's a big thread, but you won't find any gay looking Telecaster players.
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Could I get a link to this thread with a bunch of gay looking Telecaster players? (Insert joke about the naysayers having it bookmarked for 'alone time')
Seriously though I wanna see.
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.0 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13972.0)
It's a big thread, but you won't find any gay looking Telecaster players.
Arguable, but you will without doubt find an inordinate number of hideous, hideous looking guitars. Always good to put a warning in the title so as not to offend those of us with taste ;)
Roo
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I've wanted a tele since I got into The stranglers 30 odd years ago!
No, no I mustn't... that's just too easy...
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Go ahead!
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Didn't see any gay Tele players in there. Some nice guitars though.
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I think Jim Root (Slipknot) can pull off a tele... His signature tele is far from gay. :)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q228/ChinkyChinky6969/JamesRoot.jpg)
Also, I know that isn't his signature tele in the picture, but I couldn't find a pic of him with his new tele... lol
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Hmmm... this Jim Root chap looks far from well... I'm not sure it's helping our argument telefans :lol:
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Almost correct..
Jim Root = Not gay.
His Tele = Not gay.
but..
Slipknot = Gayest..
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I'm sure Roo and Oppo secretly spend hours fiddling with themselves over at the Telecaster Forum under assumed names. Sometimes they even sneak into Country & Western bars for a quick fix of Pink Paisley, then drink heavily to get over the shame....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You are a funny one. It's ok though, Philly, because i know such kidding is inspired from your daydreams and disturbing fantasies (whatever they may entail - i am not interested in probing that imagination of yours) about us going to Country & Western bars so you have something interesting to posit when it comes time to make a defense for you love of teh telez. I mean, without those daydreams and fantasies of yours, you would have very little, in the ways of substance, to defend the fact that you like an instrument that is an abomination. For shame Philly, for shame. Daydreaming never got anybody anywhere, only action. Go out to the Country & Western bars yourself instead of daydreaming about Roo and me frequenting them.
:D :D :wink:
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*CORRECTION*
Jim Root = Who actually knows?
His Tele = Ugly as fvck.
but..
Slipknot = Gayest..
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lol, I don't really like Slipknot, but originally thought, hhmmm, he's quite metal, he's surely not going to look gay!
And now I just realised I posted a picture of him covered in make-up, pulling a strange face.
Ah well. :) lol, I was never a huge tele fan, bought a 52 reissue, and now I love 'em!
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*CORRECTION*
Jim Root = Who actually knows?
His Tele = Ugly as fvck.
but..
Slipknot = Gayest..
He's not bad on the old geetar though. You gotta give him that. :)
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I agree, although I hate Slipknot and their gimmicky pop-metal, Jim Root can certainly play his geetar.
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*CORRECTION*
Jim Root = Who actually knows?
His Tele = Ugly as fvck.
but..
Slipknot = Gayest..
He's not bad on the old geetar though. You gotta give him that. :)
This is not a question of skills, it is about teh Telez. He is skilled, even if i do not like the music.
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I like him.
And his guitar.
And his skill.
And Slipknot.
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:(
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Slipknot's new album is good. Don't like the older stuff much. They have some good riffs in the new album. :)
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It's the bulbous top horn more than anything else for me. Take that away with a proper cutaway or less bulbous like an LP and you have the start of something that's not gay.
Of course it goes without saying that the horrible bridge and controls and headstock all need to be changed, but those are secondary to the top horn. It just looks cr@p. I don't believe for a SECOND that you can't get EXACTLY the same sounds that you tele lovers are after with a guitar that has those changes I just mentioned.
And yes, even that tele looks total sh1t, because of the stupid top horn. And no, I'm not a slipknot fan, either.
Roo
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It's the bulbous top horn more than anything else for me.
But that cutaway is also needlessly bulbous, that just makes the top horn even more ungainly.
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Thing is, we can never really "win" this argument, because even if we found a picture of whoever you guys think is the coolest cool person ever in the world playing a Tele and looking totally f*ckin cooler than cool...
... you'd never admit how cool it was. :(
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I think you secretly just want to change the shape of the top bout from it's current "bulbous" form, which has curves that look a lot like a woman's breast.. Into a cutaway, horn shape which looks a lot more like a man's penis.. Yet you are saying that Telecaster's make a player look gay..
Also changing the headstock shape would make behind the nut bends a lot harder to do, which is a good advantage of a Tele headstock.
Also changing the bridge would change the tone of the guitar IMO. I don't think you could get the distinct Tele bridge sound without the metal bridge plate.
And changing the control plate by either mounting them on a scratchplate like a strat or rear-routing them would make changing/working on electronics a lot harder than when you can remove the whole plate..
I can't think of any more pointless arguments to make yet, I'm getting tired.
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Breasts, eh? Interesting.
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Breasts, eh? Interesting.
Yeah I always think of Pandora Peakes when I look at a tele :lol:
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And changing the control plate by either mounting them on a scratchplate like a strat or rear-routing them would make changing/working on electronics a lot harder than when you can remove the whole plate..
Actually I find working on Tele electronics incredibly annoying - it bugs me having to take off the bridge to change the pickup, and unless you leave all the leads ludicrously long you have to do a lot of soldering dangerously close to the guitar.
Whereas with a Strat you can do everything (bar soldering the jack and a couple of grounds) while the guitar itself is safely out of the way in another room.
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Breasts, eh? Interesting.
Yeah I always think of Pandora Peakes when I look at a tele :lol:
And ever deeper do we wander into the mind of the Big Mac.
Thinking of PP gives me a suffocating feeling (yeah, you know what I mean) so I rather think of someone with less ... voluptuous assets.
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I think you secretly just want to change the shape of the top bout from it's current "bulbous" form, which has curves that look a lot like a woman's breast.. Into a cutaway, horn shape which looks a lot more like a man's penis.. Yet you are saying that Telecaster's make a player look gay..
Injecting a bit of Freud into guitars are we? However, LPs are of an exquisite female figure, and i am quite enamored with LP aesthetics. In fact, you might say that LPs are far more womanly in form than a Telecaster. If you were to attribute the qualities of a telecaster to a woman, you would have, just as with the guitar itself, a very ungainly looking female. However, if you were to attribute the specific qualities of the LP to a woman, you would have the epitome of the female form and its inherent beauty.
Thing is, we can never really "win" this argument
But it's so much fun to argue about in'it? I don't hate tele players nearly to the extent that Roo does, but i do think (in general) they are disgusting instruments.
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OK I'll join in :D
I love LPs, Strats, Teles, SGs, Explorers (funny that, I have at least one of each!)
I can see how someone might think an LP is feminine, but for me it's the one with the least male/female character. It's more like a well made piece of furniture.
To look at, for me, the strat has the sexiest curves. But although I always think of guitars as "she", the strat never reminds me of a woman when I play it - it's more like a very well designed weapon that I have learnt to use and maintain, and that fits me like a glove.
SG I don't bond with so much, no real opinion on it.
Explorer, to me, feels like a great big version of the strat, I've got to be in the right mood, but in essence I feel the same when playing them.
But the tele... it actually feels like a woman when I'm playing it. Never as cuddly as it looks, has a wide range of voices (from shrill bitching to sultry, smokey, "come and get me" tones), is quite moody, doesn't always cooperate, but really rewards you when you put some effort in.
And I never see this "bulbous" thing Roo is always harping on about - I do see what you mean, but I always see the gorgeous curved line from the top bout through to the lower cutaway, there's one (very satisfying) continuous curve there.
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And I never see this "bulbous" thing Roo is always harping on about - I do see what you mean, but I always see the gorgeous curved line from the top bout through to the lower cutaway, there's one (very satisfying) continuous curve there.
Exactly. Leo Fender may have "just" been an accountant who turned his hand to electronics and guitars, but he had a hell of an eye for design.
The shapes, lines and curves of the Strat and Tele are perfect, and - I don't care what anyone says - none of the later designs based on them* have improved on them in any way except tweaking the playability.
(* which, lest we forget, are all the bolt-on-neck solidbody guitars in existence. )
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I'm so glad like my first thread on here has been well recieved..
After 5 pages and like 3 days the honey moon period is over so..
Guitar still sounds great but definitely needs fiddling with the action and intonation some more. Could use a fret dress on the first 3 frets aswell as they have some deep gouges in there, I guess the previous owner did a lot of open chord work?
Have ordered a tophat switch tip and gonna swap the knobs for some flat top 60s style knobs to keep it looking more correct, I alredy have the knobs and the switch tip was like £1.50 so I figured why not. Might even splash out and get a 3 ply wbw pickguard for it, but I think it'll look stupid with a brand new shiny pickguard and I don't wanna buy one and then ruin it by relicing it or anything. Am undecided on that.
Apart from that minor stuff though it is a great guitar, different twangier tone to my other 2 esquires so very useable aswell.
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However, if you were to attribute the specific qualities of the LP to a woman, you would have the epitome of the female form and its inherent beauty.
In that case her arse is too fat.
I'm not getting into Freud or Jung thank you very much
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If you were to attribute the qualities of a telecaster to a woman, you would have, just as with the guitar itself, a very ungainly looking female.
Exactly, for a start "her" breasts would be UPSIDE DOWN!
And I really don't see the relevance in the penis comment - in what way is, for example, the top horn of an Ibanez RG series ANYTHING like the male appendage? It just isn't.
I've no comment on strats, and no beef with Leo Fender other than the diabolical design of the telecaster, which is so utterly far from perfect it's untrue.
And in your comments answering my suggestion to change the bridge, headstock, control plate and top horn, you have just proven beyond all reasonable doubt that telecasters are in fact rubbish!
Just don't blame me when people come up to you and tell you that you look like a **** when you're playing ;)
Roo
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I say we cut the cr@p (not literally) and let's face it. We love women. And guitars. Whatever woman/guitar that may be.
Case closed!
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Maybe I'm too literal, but the only guitar that reminds me of a woman is Manson's mermaid guitar! I like my women to be able to bend and move - sex with a piece of wood went out many years ago.
Having all sorts of guitars I've stayed out of this pointless argument. If you restrict yourself to only some types of guitar, you are also restricting your tone. Perhaps that doesn't matter because the guitar you like is perfect for the style you want to play, in which case that's great for you. However, if you want to keep an open mind, then you should be willing to play anything to see what it gives you.
And as for the argument of looking gay or a w**ker playing a tele - take a look at the 80's when everyone was playing superstrats and tell me people look good then! I think if you look gay playing a tele or any other guitar, then that must be the look you are striving for. Personally, the guitar I play doesn't do anything for my sexuality, it all comes from within, and since I am a pussy magnet, I can play anything I want!
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I am sure Jonathan will post his woman guitar soon
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and since I am a pussy magnet, I can play anything I want!
well put phil :)
I like spangly guitars... and i am proud!
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I've no comment on strats, and no beef with Leo Fender other than the diabolical design of the telecaster, which is so utterly far from perfect it's untrue.
Roo
You mean far from how your ideal guitar would look?
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To look at, for me, the strat has the sexiest curves.
I would have to agree with you there, there is just something unexplainably perfect about those curves.
But the tele... it actually feels like a woman when I'm playing it. Never as cuddly as it looks, has a wide range of voices (from shrill bitching to sultry, smokey, "come and get me" tones), is quite moody, doesn't always cooperate, but really rewards you when you put some effort in.
That is an amusing and interesting interpertation, and even though i am generally opposed to Telecasters, it almost makes me want to try it out (and, who knows, i have some year ahead of me - i hope).
In that case her arse is too fat.
I love women with curvy bodies, not to mention a big ass here or there. I am not in step with all of this super thin model celebrity bullshitee. But this is a separate issue of course.
I've no comment on strats
Do you not like strats? I mean for me the traditional strat could use some tweaking (especially that unsightly headstock) but generally i think, as i have said before it has some of the most beautiful curves of any guitar.
O, by the way, what is your favorite guitar type while we're at it?
And as for the argument of looking gay or a w**ker playing a tele - take a look at the 80's when everyone was playing superstrats and tell me people look good then!
LOL. Yeah, i would not disagree with you on that one. The 80's were fvcked except for some of the music produced, i generally think the 80's was a mistake, and if there is a god, i am sure he was laughing at humanity's folly and wanton idiocy. However, *SOME* of the music, which given all music can be effectively taken out of materiality, can be seen as a thing, or the only thing, of good from that period.
However, unlike Roo, i do not think that a guitar determines one's sexuality. I think Teles look queer as fvck, but i think it ends there. People who play them, well that is their own business, though i don't think it necessarily looks good. Though, I think the general garb of the 80's defiled the guitars those musicians used with the amount of gayness that they sported.
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I'm not sure Roo actually does think that a guitar determines one's sexuality (correct me if I'm wrong here Roo :lol:) - but then again, this general misapprehension is his own fault: the language he has used so far to express his disapprobation of the telecaster might well lead one to that conclusion. :D
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Great looking set of guitars there. Enjoy!
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I'm so glad like my first thread on here has been well recieved..
After 5 pages and like 3 days the honey moon period is over so..
Guitar still sounds great but definitely needs fiddling with the action and intonation some more. Could use a fret dress on the first 3 frets aswell as they have some deep gouges in there, I guess the previous owner did a lot of open chord work?
Have ordered a tophat switch tip and gonna swap the knobs for some flat top 60s style knobs to keep it looking more correct, I alredy have the knobs and the switch tip was like £1.50 so I figured why not. Might even splash out and get a 3 ply wbw pickguard for it, but I think it'll look stupid with a brand new shiny pickguard and I don't wanna buy one and then ruin it by relicing it or anything. Am undecided on that.
Apart from that minor stuff though it is a great guitar, different twangier tone to my other 2 esquires so very useable aswell.
Yeah, my first thread only got a couple of replies :lol:
Glad we've made you feel so welcome!
Good to hear it's bedding in nicely though - there's always that "have I really spent that money, and was I right?" period of doubt after the initial "oh yeah...", isn't there? :D
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i think i like the squire best... beat up like a tele should be
Hi Wez, the black one in the middle is the one that I emailed you about the new nut and stuff fixing..
you know, somehow i missed this when the thread went way off topic. Thats a cool looking esquire. I'm a fan of esquires. Years ago i built a tele kit that i later converted to a semi hollow esquire with a spalted maple top... it was a great little guitar after that conversion
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/WezV/wv2.jpg)
although in the name of mucking about i did route it all out and put a resonator cone in it recently... never did finsih that little project