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At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: MrBump on February 08, 2009, 10:59:16 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6XzzDDWOs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6XzzDDWOs&feature=related)
... I can do that...
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I'm glad I can't do that. Where's the soul?
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He's good but I'd rather hear a good bluesman play 5 spine tingling notes instead of this guy playing 500 "Meh" notes.
EDIT: Just found this picture on the guys myspace
WARNING: Contains douchebaggery.
http://a825.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_68114db9cf3b313adf1683a003a141f0.jpg
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I nearly spat my tea all over the keyboard when I saw that pic. Classic.
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I'm sure he can play soulful if he wants to, that is a vid intended purely as a technical demo.
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WARNING: Contains douchebaggery.
http://a825.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_68114db9cf3b313adf1683a003a141f0.jpg
I take it this is his way of attracting guys? Fair play to him, if it works! :lol:
Surely even gay guys find that daft?
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So fast my interweb connection can't keep up.
Looks like a fine chap though...
:lol:
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What a worthless video. Utter w**kery if you ask me. No soul, no melody, not entertaining.
This is fast enough and I'll bet that dude couldn't play this if his life depended on it.
Watch and weep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o)
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I'm sure he can play soulful if he wants to, that is a vid intended purely as a technical demo.
Yeah - he probably can. I just find stuff like this not musically interesting. Sure, it's an admirable skill he has developed and I can guarantee that I would never have the patience to get to that level. Will be interesting to see if he does post a 'soulful' style vid as his other stuff all seems to be about speed.
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What a worthless video. Utter w**kery if you ask me. No soul, no melody, not entertaining.
This is fast enough and I'll bet that dude couldn't play this if his life depended on it.
Watch and weep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o)
That's still mostly w**kery imo :s
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This is fast enough and I'll bet that dude couldn't play this if his life depended on it.
Watch and weep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o)
Cheers Ratrod - that's awesome. His playing is sooo clean, fast and accurate. I'm now looking at my tele and weeping.
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That's still mostly w**kery imo :s
I disagree (by quite a lot :o) - it has a tune to it! I think this thread shows that musical/guitary preference is horses for courses.
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I'm sure he can play soulful if he wants to, that is a vid intended purely as a technical demo.
Yeah - he probably can. I just find stuff like this not musically interesting. Sure, it's an admirable skill he has developed and I can guarantee that I would never have the patience to get to that level. Will be interesting to see if he does post a 'soulful' style vid as his other stuff all seems to be about speed.
I'm not so sure can play soulful. Those types of players often go "here's my soulful piece" and they hit all the right notes and bends, pull the right faces.... but the one ingredient lacking is soul. Happy to be proved wrong though.
Going back to the original video, I really don't like that type of playing but it is fascinating to see how effortlessly his hands seem to just float around even though he's playing so fast. There's an enormous amount of work gone into that.
WARNING: Contains douchebaggery.
http://a825.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_68114db9cf3b313adf1683a003a141f0.jpg
I take it this is his way of attracting guys? Fair play to him, if it works! :lol:
Surely even gay guys find that daft?
There is, however, no defending that picture. And I can't imagine many gay guys being particularly interested in a bloke who spends twelve hours a day in his bedroom, errr.... wanking. :|
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There's always something going on with a shred guitarists image, there's always an element of homo-eroticism going on however slight.
I bet I can't be proved wrong(yes that's a challenge). :lol:
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There's an enormous amount of work gone into that.
That's what I admire Philly. You've got to respect the guy for having that much dedication to his chosen art form.
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What a worthless video. Utter w**kery if you ask me. No soul, no melody, not entertaining.
This is fast enough and I'll bet that dude couldn't play this if his life depended on it.
Watch and weep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o)
That's still mostly w**kery imo :s
I'm not sure how I feel about that one. It's a lot more enjoyable to listen to (IMO), but that kind of red-hot country pickin' definitely contains an element of "look at me, look how fast I can play". So in that sense, it is w**kery.
I do think country players usually sound like more musical - there's a bassline or some kind of rhythm, and a melody over the top. It's music that can be played with other people.... bedroom-rock-shred is much more of a stand-alone thing. But I'm generalising.
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What a worthless video. Utter w**kery if you ask me. No soul, no melody, not entertaining.
This is fast enough and I'll bet that dude couldn't play this if his life depended on it.
Watch and weep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0yTt7LJ0o)
That's still mostly w**kery imo :s
I'm not sure how I feel about that one. It's a lot more enjoyable to listen to (IMO), but that kind of red-hot country pickin' definitely contains an element of "look at me, look how fast I can play". So in that sense, it is w**kery.
I do think country players usually sound like more musical - there's a bassline or some kind of rhythm, and a melody over the top. It's music that can be played with other people.... bedroom-rock-shred is much more of a stand-alone thing. But I'm generalising.
TBH, judging by the nature of the shreddy guys video, i don't think he wants to play that :lol:
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Well for sure the guy can play and he can play faster than I can and faster than I'd ever want to.Good luck to him though-he has worked at it and I respect him for that but I don't enjoy listening to it and I just go for that off button? I loved the picture though-that is class. The wallpaper sets it off in context beautifully. I see the wallpaper as a representation of what his music means to me.
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I could see the guy from the first clip using one of these. (If it had a humbucker and a Floyd Rose)
(http://www.guitaristka.ru/DRUGOE/guitars/carverdoug/wangcaster.jpg)
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You've shown us your Wangcaster pictures before, I think. :lol:
Gotta say, I think it's horrible. I can't believe someone would spend hours lovingly carving that thing...
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Ugly guitar!
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I'm sure he can play soulful if he wants to, that is a vid intended purely as a technical demo.
+1
that's pretty impressive. that pic was classic though. :lol:
don't get me wrong, plenty of the more mindless shredders can't, but plenty can too.
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I'm thinking he should probably get out more :)
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Got to admit, I have a lot of respect for the time and dedication that guy must have put in to be able to play like that. I'll also happily admit that I'd love to have that kind of scale/mode/fretboard knowledge, and that kind of precision. However, being able to play that fast and widdly has never been a goal of mine (and I like some shred playing!) :)
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I thought that might be a clip to split the deck...
:wink:
For what it's worth, I think it's cool - purely from a technical point of view, and a slightly jealous point of view - I really CAN'T do that, but a part of me would like to be able to do it. And show it off at parties. But never really USE it... I also think that it's lacking something, be it soul, or whatever. Taste, maybe - but that comes down to preference.
Also, I don't think that it's right to say that fast = tasteless. I've heard Yngwie play with such incredible soul and taste he could put Larry Carlton to shame - and I'd generally rather listed to Larry over Yngwie...
But that's a terrible photo.
(but is it wrong of me to want the penis guitar..?)
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Its quite impressive thats hes been able to train himself to be able to that. Obviously shows that he is quite dedicated to the instrument.
I can't say im jealous at all, i mean, not in a million years will i be able to do that! But its not really my scene.
The photo is quality though!
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(but is it wrong of me to want the penis guitar..?)
That really depends on what you intend to do with it :D
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(but is it wrong of me to want the penis guitar..?)
That really depends on what you intend to do with it :D
I think it's wrong, whatever you want to do with it! Unless you're going to play in a stage show of Hedwig or Rocky Horror or something.
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Or if you want to burn it in hellfire for there to be one less wangcaster on the earth.
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ok both of those players obviously have a real talent in their respective feilds, tbh neither are really musically engaging to me , not my scene but each obviously are a tonne better than me ... :D (more of a meat n pottatoes kinda guy , outa ability limitations more than choice ;)
with regards to w**kery, yes i feel they both have an element of w**kery to them.....
not even going to comment on shreddy guys profile pic .... ahahhahahahhah ( i really hope that guy wasnt being serious....)
but thats just my oppinion.....
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The guy who made the video is a pleb.
At least the banjo video had a tune to it (its in the related videos bit).
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it's funny, almost every bedroom shredder has exactly THIS facial expression, between Vai and Derek Zoolander's Blue Steel...
:)
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Well, he can play guitar substantially faster than I can.
Of course, I'm not really bothered and I'll wager I had WAAAAAAAAAAY more fun through my teens than he did and I'll bet I've winched WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more hot lassies than he will in his life. So I can cope with his superior pace.
Oh, also, his music is abysmal and sounds 100% like I imagine everyone would guess it would after watching that video. I remain unconvinced.
http://www.myspace.com/danielowenfastestguitarist
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Its gone too far. Whats the point of speed over every other element of music? I've seen this bloke before, its just awful, its not even music it sounds like a kid playing with a theramin.
He couldn't play with soul or make it sound funky and musical. He is robot like. I remember watching Rusty Cooley do a few bends in his w**kery and this nob is no different.
For me the best all rounder I've heard and seen is Guthrie Govan, his music and playing are phenomenal.
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"Winched"????
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"Winched"????
Winching is the courtship ritual of the Scotsman.
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"Winched"????
Winching is the courtship ritual of the Scotsman.
Do you catch them on meat hooks?
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"Winched"????
Winching is the courtship ritual of the Scotsman.
Do you catch them on meat hooks?
Deep fried ones, mostly.
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"Winched"????
Winching is the courtship ritual of the Scotsman.
Do you catch them on meat hooks?
Deep fried ones, mostly.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You can't really prove if someone has "soul" or not, that's the beauty of music. I think Yngwie is one of the most soulful players to ever pick up the instrument, but I accept that others find his playing wanky even though I don't understand why they think so. What moves you may not move someone else. I hear so many blues players that I think lack soul. Yeah, they play the same licks and turnarounds that Freddie King played 50 years ago, so where's the imagination, where's the individuality, where's the soul? But that's just my thoughts, I'm not telling you to feel the same.
Btw, I laughed quite a bit at that first video.
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"Winched"????
Winching is the courtship ritual of the Scotsman.
Do you catch them on meat hooks?
Deep fried ones, mostly.
:lol:
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I think the reason behind super duper fast guitarists is that they are really competitive people because speed can be measured, where as soulful playing can't be measured and is more to do with an individual expressing themselves
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I think the reason behind super duper fast guitarists is that they are really competitive people because speed can be measured, where as soulful playing can't be measured and is more to do with an individual expressing themselves
Wonderfully put.
I think that is one of the most important differences between art and sport.
That weird young man in his leather jacket and Oakleys is an accomplished sportsman (possibly "watersports" from the look of his myspace picture) :?
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I think the reason behind super duper fast guitarists is that they are really competitive people because speed can be measured, where as soulful playing can't be measured and is more to do with an individual expressing themselves
Wonderfully put.
I think that is one of the most important differences between art and sport.
That weird young man in his leather jacket and Oakleys is an accomplished sportsman (possibly "watersports" from the look of his myspace picture) :?
Yes I agree, well put JDC!
:lol: :lol: I haven't seen his myspace but the black vest in the eeeeOOOOOeeeeeeeOOOOO sounding clip on you tube spoke volumes. It goes back to not getting out enough.
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Pmsl, I just had to have a look at the pic on myspace. I'd love to be a fly on the wall if he did a gig in the pubs (which are not yet shut down) near me.
He should do the decorating in his Mums house, that wallpaper is dreadful!
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You can't really prove if someone has "soul" or not, that's the beauty of music. I think Yngwie is one of the most soulful players to ever pick up the instrument, but I accept that others find his playing wanky even though I don't understand why they think so. What moves you may not move someone else. I hear so many blues players that I think lack soul. Yeah, they play the same licks and turnarounds that Freddie King played 50 years ago, so where's the imagination, where's the individuality, where's the soul? But that's just my thoughts, I'm not telling you to feel the same.
+1 (though i like blues too)
i just don't like blanket statements (e.g. "all shred has no soul" etc.). there are good and bad players and musicians in most forms of music.
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You can't really prove if someone has "soul" or not, that's the beauty of music. I think Yngwie is one of the most soulful players to ever pick up the instrument, but I accept that others find his playing wanky even though I don't understand why they think so. What moves you may not move someone else. I hear so many blues players that I think lack soul. Yeah, they play the same licks and turnarounds that Freddie King played 50 years ago, so where's the imagination, where's the individuality, where's the soul? But that's just my thoughts, I'm not telling you to feel the same.
+1 (though i like blues too)
i just don't like blanket statements (e.g. "all shred has no soul" etc.). there are good and bad players and musicians in most forms of music.
I like the Yng a bit myself but old black vest isn't a bit like him cos the Yng is a musician.
There was a bloke around in the 80's called Dave Chastian, I think it was and he was always criticised for being too technical over feel, so this debate has been around a long time. I like shred when its mixed with other elements, like rhythm, black vest is devoid of it, a tune, melody, musical tension ect ect. Then the player can go for the less is more approach and really let go when the tune/song calls for it. That's when the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.
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You can't really prove if someone has "soul" or not, that's the beauty of music. I think Yngwie is one of the most soulful players to ever pick up the instrument, but I accept that others find his playing wanky even though I don't understand why they think so. What moves you may not move someone else. I hear so many blues players that I think lack soul. Yeah, they play the same licks and turnarounds that Freddie King played 50 years ago, so where's the imagination, where's the individuality, where's the soul? But that's just my thoughts, I'm not telling you to feel the same.
+1 (though i like blues too)
i just don't like blanket statements (e.g. "all shred has no soul" etc.). there are good and bad players and musicians in most forms of music.
Absolutely, I just think that most styles of music are full of players striving to get the bet sounds and feels and tones whereas shred is full of folks trying to go fastest. In a huge number of cases, being soulful isn't even a consideration so long as you can play more notes in a second than you could yesterday.
Obviously not all folks, not in either case, but I think the majority of B grade Right Said Fred's calling their videos Fastest Guitarist in the World are probably leaning further to one side than the other :lol:
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There was a track on his myspace site that was, to me, unlistenable. I agree with what some have said-because someone plays fast doesn't mean that they are devoid of soul no more than every blues player has soul. That aspect of playing( soulfulness) is indefinable and subjective and it is pointless debating it. The problem I have in criticizing is that he can obviously play and has spent a great deal of time perfecting his art and when push comes to shove, can out gun me. Its just that i don't like what he does and no amount of skill and speedy playing will make me like it. But there are plenty out there, it would seem, who look up to and aspire to him. All I would say is that if that prompts people to take up guitar then that has to be good-maybe one of them will be the guy we all rave over next because he has learned to combine artistry with soul and imagination.
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There was a bloke around in the 80's called Dave Chastian, I think it was and he was always criticised for being too technical over feel, so this debate has been around a long time.
That's true, but I actually liked David Chastain! When all those guys like Tony MacAlpine, Vinnie Moore, Greg Howe, Joey Taffolla, Guy Mann-Dude etc were putting out instrumental shred albums on Shapnel, DC was shredding in a band context (with at least two bands, Chastain and CJSS). He made some good records.
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^ haha! i'm not really familiar with chastain, i have heard of him though.
I like the Yng a bit myself but old black vest isn't a bit like him cos the Yng is a musician.
There was a bloke around in the 80's called Dave Chastian, I think it was and he was always criticised for being too technical over feel, so this debate has been around a long time. I like shred when its mixed with other elements, like rhythm, black vest is devoid of it, a tune, melody, musical tension ect ect. Then the player can go for the less is more approach and really let go when the tune/song calls for it. That's when the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.
yeah, definitely. i just don't like people who slag off everyone who even vaguely shreds, because it's obvious they just don't like that type of music. Which is fair enough, but just admit that that's the case. :)
i don't like it either when they're just ripping through scales for the whole piece- i prefer the satriani style of shred, where it's an actual song with a verse/chorus structure (albeit instrumental), and then he lets rip where the "solo" would be (were it a normal hard rock song).
the problem arises where people (as i already said) try to tar everyone with the same brush- when they claim that people are just running through scales for the whole piece when they clearly aren't. For example, I remember when i was back in school, and all my friends hated shred, and they'd be slagging off guys like vai (even van halen) for playing too fast (which is fair enough). But then in the next breath they'd say that their favourite solo was free bird, because [verbatim] "it was so fast".
o_O
I love skynyrd, i'm not slagging them off at all, but that's pretty faulty logic right there if you ask me. it's obvious they just preferred skynyrd, and were trying to find an objective reason (and failing, if you ask me) for something which was subjective.
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All the clips show is that technically he is very gifted. It doewsn't make you a musician though - that for me is more about note and phrase selection and feel.
It may be that he is amazing at that aswell but that clip doesn't show it.
Its like an international level concert violinist to me - must have taken a long time to get that accomplished
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I think the reason behind super duper fast guitarists is that they are really competitive people because speed can be measured, where as soulful playing can't be measured and is more to do with an individual expressing themselves
you got it... i know some hyperfast guitarist too... they don't care about music (one of them never played in a band after 15 years of bedroom shredding!), but exercise all day without playing anything at all...
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Lewis Hamilton plays the guitar, so surely he must be the fastest........ Damon Hill too.
Dunno about shitepacker, he probably does too :D
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Lewis Hamilton plays the guitar, so surely he must be the fastest........ Damon Hill too.
Dunno about shiteepacker, he probably does too :D
So does Jonny Wilkinson, apparently.
..... which is totally irrelevant, since we're talking about speed. :oops:
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What I don't understand is why people criticise music for turning into a 'sport', but every bloody man and his dog watches televised sport, and, for instance, gives a shite about how quickly somebody can swim 100m. If some people want to make a sport out of music, that's fine with me (by the way, I hate spectator sports anyway).
But I think the 'all you need is soul' argument is a load of arse... can a concert pianist have 'soul' and no technique? Fact is, to play some of the best music ever written, you need a shiteload of technique. One can bring up the famous blues guys, but a couple of notes played amazingly doesn't mean anything to me if the music itself is boring... this is just my opinion, but amazing lead work is the effect of polish on a turd if you only ever use 3 chords in the same cliched chord progression.
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But I think the 'all you need is soul' argument is a load of arse... can a concert pianist have 'soul' and no technique? Fact is, to play some of the best music ever written, you need a shiteeload of technique. One can bring up the famous blues guys, but a couple of notes played amazingly doesn't mean anything to me if the music itself is boring...
of course you're right, but a concert pianist usually plays music written by others (some guy called bach, beethoven and so on... :)), we're talking about "pop" musicians, and to play every other genre than classical music you need at least some improvising and arrangement skill... a friend of mine is a concert guitarist, he can play simply everything. and does it, in theaters and sometimes in professional music productions... well, the funny thing is that everytime he sees me playing he is amazed by the fact that i don't need to READ what i play. and i suck badly when it comes to guitar tecnique (i'm self-taught, except for 3-4 months of lessons when i was 17)...
most recordmen shredders (and this guy makes no exception) just play scales and exercises at ridiculous speeds... i heard one track on his myspace, and there are many exercises i did when i had a teacher - just 100 times faster!
i'm not doing a statement against technical guitarists... guitar heroes like malmsteen and gilbert (i love satriani but he keeps slow pace most of the time, so i don't include him in the category...) and metal shredders like jeff loomis make great and soulful solos... you can move your legs in the air even faster than a 100m runner but you don't go anywhere. this is the image i have in mind when i think about those talentless guys claiming to be the fastest players in the world...
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Speakign of Chastain...
Then..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czLdrJlhKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czLdrJlhKk&feature=related)
... and now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt_AsjBI9g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt_AsjBI9g)
I'm with the pro Chastain brigade... I thought that he was one of the better shredders back then, and I think he's pretty cool now.
Mark.
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Speakign of Chastain...
Then..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czLdrJlhKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czLdrJlhKk&feature=related)
... and now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt_AsjBI9g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt_AsjBI9g)
Sorry Mark, but David T Chastain and Dave Chastain are two different people! :lol: Good clips though.
http://www.leviathanrecords.com/dtc.htm (http://www.leviathanrecords.com/dtc.htm)
http://www.thedavechastainband.com/ (http://www.thedavechastainband.com/)
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Speakign of Chastain...
Then..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czLdrJlhKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_czLdrJlhKk&feature=related)
... and now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt_AsjBI9g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxt_AsjBI9g)
Sorry Mark, but David T Chastain and Dave Chastain are two different people! :lol: Good clips though.
http://www.leviathanrecords.com/dtc.htm (http://www.leviathanrecords.com/dtc.htm)
http://www.thedavechastainband.com/ (http://www.thedavechastainband.com/)
Ahhh!!!
That would explain the vast difference then!!!
The thing is, if you look closely at them, the do look similar, in a skeletal kinda way...
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The thing is, if you look closely at them, the do look similar, in a skeletal kinda way...
I'm not convinced.... :P :lol: