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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: horsehead on April 08, 2009, 01:11:45 PM
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Has anyone else seen this? Isn't it exactly the same as all the bloody others that the do in that range?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/gibson_mike_bloomfield_les_paul_vos.htm
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when are gibson gonna give up?
when people stop buying them. can you blame them for putting out all these mega-buck re-issues when they all sell out before they've even built them?
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Yeah, I have seen that Mike Bloomfield model - Hunter started a mammoth thread about it a while ago:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16057.0 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16057.0)
Yes, it is just another Les Paul, and you could probably get one just as good for a third of the price. But it's no more heinous in principle than all the Fender tribute models, or the EVH guitars, or the "built by Paul" PRS (or whatever it's called). In fact, it's cheap compared to all those.
For all their faults, Gibson still make some fantastic guitars. I love my ES-339 to bits.
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i do like gibson.
its sad to see them milking the name for all its worth. i'd never buy a new one.
i have a second hand custom and im happy. however if i found a les paul supreme at the right price i might consider it. although i might struggle to get BKP's into it.
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It seems a bit much considering all he did was the Blue Peter theme tune.
:wink:
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Don't forget The Exorcist !
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i like gibson: they don't feel like a 100% mass produced guitar, they still have that certain something. ignoring the stupidly overpriced special edition models, i think they command decent value for money if you get a good one.
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in general i hate all those "special" guitars that cost 10 times their value and differ from conventional models just for a couple of insignificant features... this one has got just a custom top (that's quite ugly, indeed)... but gibson IN GENERAL range from pretty to great guitars, it's not entirely their fault if someone is so rich and stupid to buy an otherwise stock les paul for twice its normal price!
and, speaking of insane and injustifiable prices, nothing can ever beat a PRS... ;)
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Why pick on Gibson?
How many signature Strats and Teles are there? Plus other variations on that theme. Fender are surely the leaders in the milking dry stakes.
The same could be said of PRS, or most other manufacturers. All of them only have so much they can play with, and naturally they want to sell as many guitars as possible. What's the problem with that?
We the consumer get loads of choice, the main one of which is not to buy one!
There are regular Gibson hate threads on here. Weird.
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Lot's of makes do it..and don't get me started on the price of "reliced" guitars
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For me it's love/hate relationship with Gibson in every sense. I love my Les Paul, and quite a few of the other Gibsons I've played I've loved too, but I hate the company. I hate the silly models and body shapes they've been wasting good wood on lately. I hate the fact that they make signature models for people who just happen to be famous, but aren't good guitar players (Billy Joe Armstrong, Tom Delonge, what's next? Jonas Brothers signature?) as well as their endless milking of Jimmy Page, Slash, Pete Townsend, Zakk Wylde etc.
I know Fender are doing the exact same thing but it doesn't matter to me because I simply don't like their guitars.
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For me it's love/hate relationship with Gibson in every sense. I love my Les Paul, and quite a few of the other Gibsons I've played I've loved too, but I hate the company. I hate the silly models and body shapes they've been wasting good wood on lately. I hate the fact that they make signature models for people who just happen to be famous, but aren't good guitar players (Billy Joe Armstrong, Tom Delonge, what's next? Jonas Brothers signature?) as well as their endless milking of Jimmy Page, Slash, Pete Townsend, Zakk Wylde etc.
I know Fender are doing the exact same thing but it doesn't matter to me because I simply don't like their guitars.
i don't know - the various delonge models do offer something different actually, to be fair
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wierdly the delong ain't a bad guitar, I have a bit of a Bob Dylan songs thing going on with Gibson..usually love the done by other people...although own a Gib Sg I wouldn't trade
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When they stop making money from it.
If you dont like it, dont buy one. There are plenty of great guitars out there.
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I've heard some terrible stories about Gibson from a reliable source.
These guitar of the month abominations are made from left over parts (scr@ps).
Gibson's slogan: "ship it fast and hard, and every guitar ONLY has a 50% it will come back."
And then this quote: " A good friend of mine told me about a famous guitar player that had issues with his Gibson Signature Model and spoke with Henry about it at NAMM.
Seems many players that bought his sig guitar had issues without ANY resolution from Gibby. So, he collected comments from the web, from emails and notes from in-stores, shows, etc.
Anyway, at NAMM he told Henry about the problems, showed him some of the notes and Henry told him: "F*$K those guitar players. They can't afford our new guitars anyway - I want the money from real professionals like doctors and lawyers- you know; real collectors. Guitar players are whiners".
TRUE STORY. I even verified it with a close pal @ Gibby and he said he's heard the same thing from the man himself...
When his deal is over, he's leaving. He's disappointed, pissed and wants nothing to do with them."
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Any idea who the "famous guitar player" was? I can't imagine Slash or Zakk trawling the web making notes of customer comments.
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I've heard some terrible stories about Gibson from a reliable source.
These guitar of the month abominations are made from left over parts (scr@ps).
Gibson's slogan: "ship it fast and hard, and every guitar ONLY has a 50% it will come back."
And then this quote: " A good friend of mine told me about a famous guitar player that had issues with his Gibson Signature Model and spoke with Henry about it at NAMM.
Seems many players that bought his sig guitar had issues without ANY resolution from Gibby. So, he collected comments from the web, from emails and notes from in-stores, shows, etc.
Anyway, at NAMM he told Henry about the problems, showed him some of the notes and Henry told him: "F*$K those guitar players. They can't afford our new guitars anyway - I want the money from real professionals like doctors and lawyers- you know; real collectors. Guitar players are whiners".
TRUE STORY. I even verified it with a close pal @ Gibby and he said he's heard the same thing from the man himself...
When his deal is over, he's leaving. He's disappointed, pissed and wants nothing to do with them."
it doesn't sound too real...
anyway my guitar of the week looks, feels and sounds great. i don't think it's made from leftovers because its natural satin finish and its lack of a top would make it very visible...
the only issue i had was a quite surreal communication with their technical support: i read on the specs that it should have a push-pull knob, but my guitar obviously hadn't any... so i asked them if there was an error in the specs or in my guitar, and their answer was that specs ARE RIGHT and that my guitar HAS GOT a push pull knob.
i don't think so.
but it's a great guitar anyway!
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Gibson has more signature artists than you can shake a stick at. I too am wondering who it might be.
Some of the comments come from a guy who used to work in the Gibbo Custom Shop.
The 'poisoned loans' of banks and Madoff's fraud didn't sound real either about a year ago.
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did read in an interview that james hetfield was going to do a guitar with gibson but got pissed off with them, said they were impossible to work with, the result being the ESP iron cross guitar!
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I've heard some terrible stories about Gibson from a reliable source.
These guitar of the month abominations are made from left over parts (scr@ps).
Gibson's slogan: "ship it fast and hard, and every guitar ONLY has a 50% it will come back."
And then this quote: " A good friend of mine told me about a famous guitar player that had issues with his Gibson Signature Model and spoke with Henry about it at NAMM.
Seems many players that bought his sig guitar had issues without ANY resolution from Gibby. So, he collected comments from the web, from emails and notes from in-stores, shows, etc.
Anyway, at NAMM he told Henry about the problems, showed him some of the notes and Henry told him: "F*$K those guitar players. They can't afford our new guitars anyway - I want the money from real professionals like doctors and lawyers- you know; real collectors. Guitar players are whiners".
TRUE STORY. I even verified it with a close pal @ Gibby and he said he's heard the same thing from the man himself...
When his deal is over, he's leaving. He's disappointed, pissed and wants nothing to do with them."
I find this entirely plausible.
It is, after all, a company whose top end product has vastly inferior quality control to many companies Korean factories.
The business strategy and company policies and ethos behind this are pretty obvious. EVERYONES in it for the cash - its business, and thats great, but some are in it for the cash with no regard to the quality of their product and no respect for their customers.
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We the consumer get loads of choice, the main one of which is not to buy one!
Exactly (& in this case I wouldn't even if I could afford it! :))
There are regular Gibson hate threads on here. Weird.
OK I admit I've bashed Gibson products regularly on here ("hate" is a little strong). In 25 years of playing I've probably tried more Gibsons than I can count, I've owned 8 in that time, still have 4 of them, so I think I've seen enough to form an opinion.
The astronomical prices of the ltd editions, "reissues" etc don't bother me. Gibson charge whatever the market will support or they go out of business. I wish anyone rich/dedicated/stupid enough to pay £4k for a guitar all the enjoyment they can get out of it.
It's the wildly variable quality control I have a problem with. I've encountered new Gibson guitars with absolutely shocking fretwork, fingerboards that looked like they were sanded with a housebrick & pickups that had no business being installed in a guitar costing >£1200.
The lawsuit again PRS lowered my opinion of them as an organisation too....
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I have no hatred for Gibson. I just think it's sad, ver, very sad, what this once great guitar company has become.
A management guru once asked the GM board what the goal of the company was. The answer they gave was money. It's all about the money and nothing else.
This gure replied with: "Then why are you building cars and not dealing crack? Less costs and way more profit."
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Well I can see that there is a lot more work in it than the basic VOS. Someone has to take off the tip from the pickup selector and also there are 3 different knobs which need fitting in the right spot. Oh, don't forget the Bloomfield burst finish too... though I didn't think they had any choices like that on the originals!
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I'd rather have a Caparison!
...yes, I did.
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I'd rather have a Caparison!
To be honest, me too.
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Any idea who the "famous guitar player" was? I can't imagine Slash or Zakk trawling the web making notes of customer comments.
Elliot Easton? I know he's on various web forums.........
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who?
I, as many others, have no problem with Gibson per se. I love the Les Paul shape, but I prefer the quality, woods & overall everything that some (not all) suppliers give instead of them. I tried 12 (I think) Gibsons & everyone had a fault or just felt shoodily put together. I tried 3 Tokai's (including 1 Korean) & everyone felt 100 times better than all of the gibsons.
As some said earlier it doesn't seem to matter with Fender as they seem to have a heart about, but with the big G, it seems to be more about screwing us out of our money.
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Why pick on Gibson?
How many signature Strats and Teles are there? Plus other variations on that theme. Fender are surely the leaders in the milking dry stakes.
The same could be said of PRS, or most other manufacturers. All of them only have so much they can play with, and naturally they want to sell as many guitars as possible. What's the problem with that?
We the consumer get loads of choice, the main one of which is not to buy one!
There are regular Gibson hate threads on here. Weird.
Nothing wrong with a Gibson, just got to try and find the right one for you.
However, they don't do factory seconds any more, and ship them out ready for the customer to send back 'faulty' stock. That is definately wrong though.
I am not one to complain about cosmetic issues anyway though
Any idea who the "famous guitar player" was? I can't imagine Slash or Zakk trawling the web making notes of customer comments.
Elliot Easton? I know he's on various web forums.........
Bonamassa? it might be a bit soon as his haven't been out long have they?
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Pfffft...hand wringing.
I do hate gibsons.
We arent talking about a minority group of people here, you arent affronting any civil liberties if you hate them.
Only played one that was good. And it was very good. I put it down to shear chance. Stopped clock, etc.
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I think twice when slaggin off a brand because it's not nice when you own a guitar by that company that you love and it's getting ripped to pieces - been there, got the t-shirt ( Hi MDV <3 )... but you have to draw a line somewhere and have some honesty about the short comings too.
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I think twice when slaggin off a brand because it's not nice when you own a guitar by that company that you love and it's getting ripped to pieces - been there, got the t-shirt ( Hi MDV <3 )... but you have to draw a line somewhere and have some honesty about the short comings too.
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We can each like what we like, and I have sufficient respect for my fellow guitarists to assume that they have the testicular fortitude to not be personally offended on hearing something derorgatory about something they like, and to make their own judgements based on their own experiences and information they have gathered. Accordingly, I will continue to speak freely on my opinion, and the basis for my opinion, of any peice of gear, brand, or anything else, so ner ner ne ner ner :P.
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Hey, I was agreeing with you!
I wouldn't touch a Gibson with yours!! :lol:
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Thats some ambiguous agreement style you got there, son.
In summary, $%&# gibson. And caparison while your at it :P
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I just bought my epiphone les paul standard (copy) they did have in the shop a very striking (nice top) Les paul traditional which I also liked the look of but at almost £1300 more list and I was very tempted thinking well I may as well get a guitar for life. However then I thought hmmm maybe I should bank that and get a custom later.
I also started thinking if I have a professionally fitted new nut, setup and fret dress and then subsequently fit bkps how far away might I be from the sound?
The Epiphone and a PRS singlecut that I finally chose between sounded way better than about 8 others but what always surprised me was that this would often also apply to Gibsons - I know I don't play yet but I have a reputation as a amazing negotiator so I have been helping friends buy guitars since late 1970s. Everytime we went and tried several to over a dozen - also in the mid 80s - early 90s and late 2000 there would be a couple a way better than the rest. I used to think that odd on instruments costing several hundred pounds (hehe isn't inflation great).
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Looks nice to me, has anybody actually played it, lots of you know about the quality oif it?
I reserve my hate for Liverpool FC and traffic wardens, certainly not the makers of decent guitars, no matter what their motive (which funnly enough is to make money in the capitalist market they operate).
You pay your money and you take your choice.....
I don't own a Gibson :D
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I reserve my hate for Liverpool FC
I'm assuming you enjoyed the game tonight?
As far as the Gibson debate goes, if I pick up a guitar and like it I really don't give two hoots what others might feel as for it's value, look, sound etc. I also don't really care too much about what the companies motives are as long as I'm happy with it!
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I know I don't play yet but I have a reputation as a amazing negotiator so I have been helping friends buy guitars since late 1970s.
Perhaps you can give us all some tips on being an 'amazing negotiator'
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I have tried to tell people how to do it but two examples - friend wanted a new car he had already got the best deal he possibly could and was ready to order. The model he actually wanted was one above the one he was ready to order and too expensive he wanted it for the custom colour and more powerful engine. I told him I would see what I could do - another £800 off not quite enough but they wouldn't go another hundred I knew I had them at the bottom - then I said how about we cash in the 11 months car tax on the trade in - different pot was in the equation but he could go for that shows up different on the books so wam £900 extra on top of the 9% discount he had- this was before the current car bargains in the boom.
A guitar one acoustics £399 retail guitar was on sale at £289 special ended up with guitar for £249 with free hardcase same one they gave with the £1200 model in that range, free fitting on a fishman and 3 packs of spare strings. The fishman was extra - matrix infinity £130
Sometimes I have been offered a discount when I havn't even asked and on one occasion after I had already said I want two of those !!
Can't post tips here those sly shopkeepers may be watching for them :lol:
Happy to PM advice though
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Thats some ambiguous agreement style you got there, son.
In summary, $%&# gibson. And caparison while your at it :P
Son? Stop watching so much apprentice :lol:
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Any idea who the "famous guitar player" was? I can't imagine Slash or Zakk trawling the web making notes of customer comments.
Elliot Easton? I know he's on various web forums.........
Bonamassa? it might be a bit soon as his haven't been out long have they?
I can't see Bonamassa ditching Gibson - he loves LPs.
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gibson still exists just because les pauls and SGs are some of the coolest guitars around. period. i played some unplayable and very costy les paul and have got a "cheap" (you know the guitar of the week story...) les paul that's nearly perfect and a "cheap" SG (the same) that's very, very good. quality and feel vary on a wide range...
i'd buy (and i did it) an ibanez or an esp on the web (i bought also an epiphone without having ever tried it and it looks like i was quite lucky) but i'd never do it with a gibson...
it's mad that a 3000 € gibson made by much vaunted usa craftsmanship can be much worse than a 300 € ibanez made in indonesia (that comes with a complete QC check signed by the VARIOUS guys who actually did it), but these are the rules of the market... if you can sell a name you don't have to worry about the actual quality.
fenders are no different, i don't like strats (and i'll never play a tele even if i'm sure they're great...), but played some (and owned one!), and quality is quite stochastic...
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fenders are no different, i don't like strats (and i'll never play a tele even if i'm sure they're great...), but played some (and owned one!), and quality is quite stochastic...
Whoa, I had to look that up! Haven't heard that word since my university days.
Are you sure you're Italian? :wink:
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:lol:
i speak strangely even in my mother tongue...
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Has anyone else seen this? Isn't it exactly the same as all the bloody others that the do in that range?
http://www.thomann.de/gb/gibson_mike_bloomfield_les_paul_vos.htm
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You can add the Jeff Beck Oxblood to the list...http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/electric_guitars_detail.asp?stock=09020216471229 (http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/electric_guitars_detail.asp?stock=09020216471229)
.....hmmmm, £10,000..at least it's an unusual colour (and they generously throw in free delivery) ...and roughly the same price as his Fender Esquire...(err ....Roo please do not click this link) http://www.fender.com/customshop/news/index.php?display_article=101 (http://www.fender.com/customshop/news/index.php?display_article=101)
...and it's got a bit more paint left on it....
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Can't post tips here those sly shopkeepers may be watching for them :lol:
I imagine most shop keepers have heard every trick in the book.
In my opinion I find it difficult to believe that a retailer would have offered/accepted that deal on a guitar as they would have basically been making no profit and maybe even a loss. The case bit I can understand as a case for a £1200 guitar shouldn't really cost anymore than a case for a 'cheaper' guitar - it's only the vintage ones that go for silly money. Fair play if it happened but it sounds a little far fetched to me.
In my experience (and I have bit) retailers (guitar shops in particular) will only really offer a discount/accept a deal in three scenarios 1) they will still make a profit, 2) they are desperate to get rid of stock that hasn't sold for a considerable amount of time and have new stock coming in, 3) they are closing down and need to recover as much £ as possible.
Just my opinions of course.
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I can kind of see why people might not like them, due to quality control issues, but i do love my 339! I'm not sure i'll need another electric now i have it!
But as others have stated, nobody is forcing you to buy them!
And i love that Bloomfield Les Paul, makes me wanna listen to Highway 61 Revisited.
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Thats some ambiguous agreement style you got there, son.
In summary, $%&# gibson. And caparison while your at it :P
Son? Stop watching so much apprentice :lol:
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:? I'm dimly aware of its existance - never seen it, though.
You wanna watch less TV, son :P
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didn't you know all guitarists are mugs and buy into overpriced cr@p? jeese.
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Gibson guitarist mugs - theres a money spinner your favorite chord shredder on a nice china gibson mug only $85
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Gibson quality control has always been real hit-or-miss, both in fit-and-finish and wood quality. Maybe this is because there seems to be more handcrafting going into one, I do not know.
But as far as I can tell, Gibsons have always been that way, even back in Elder Days when their guitars were handmade by elves. I have played some Gibsons from the 1950's that were nothing special, tone-wise, and I have played some mighty instruments that were made when Gibson was supposed to be turning out junk.
Gibson's guitars are hard to predict, but their best designs have been timeless.
Yeah, I get tired of the constant string of celebrity models and limited editions, and I wish that Gibson (and to a lesser extent, Fender) would focus on getting their details consistent and getting them right instead of making another Burger King Special Limited Edition Les Paul or whatever ('cause nothing says "rock and roll" like Burger King") but I don't buy those guitars.
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Can't post tips here those sly shopkeepers may be watching for them :lol:
I imagine most shop keepers have heard every trick in the book.
In my opinion I find it difficult to believe that a retailer would have offered/accepted that deal on a guitar as they would have basically been making no profit and maybe even a loss. The case bit I can understand as a case for a £1200 guitar shouldn't really cost anymore than a case for a 'cheaper' guitar - it's only the vintage ones that go for silly money. Fair play if it happened but it sounds a little far fetched to me.
Just my opinions of course.
The other aspect of getting great deals is timing, knowing when a car dealer is on a quarterly close for example they could have a 100 car target they have 98 sold and they will get a £100/unit discount extra for reacing target which means the next two cars are worth £10000 extra to them.
Similar timings can occur for any store or business - cash flow issues and you can get items at cost, if they have surplus stock from oversupply of accessories you may get extras thrown in. End of any quarterly or annual accounting period can give extra discounts. Finding out if they are changing any lines again they need get rid of that manufacturers stock. Knowledge and negotiation go hand in hand along with a small amount of confusion which is always the buyers friend.
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On Guitar Village, the $%&#ed up Korina Les Paul 50th Anniversary is OUT OF STOCK.
So either some dumb/rich (or both) person has bought it.