Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: MDV on April 21, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
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I'm running a powerball through an ubercab.
I'm thinking of replacing the G12T-75s with G12K-100s
What would be the effect you would anticipate from this change?
Need it to be heavy as $%&#, very tight, very clear.
Some corner of my head is blaming the G12Ts for some harshness and not being as tight or fat in the mids as it could be.
Ta.
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Need it to be heavy as $%&#, very tight, very clear.
Some corner of my head is blaming the G12Ts for some harshness and not being as tight or fat in the mids as it could be.
DO IT!!! K100s SLAY :twisted:
& BTW, "Yes" to all of the above...
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:lol:
Can you be more specific than 'slay'?
Like, with adjectives and stuff?
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You've already done it in your first post:
K100s will be heavier, tighter, clearer, with fatter mids than the G12Ts.
You'll get a bit more low end too (the K100s have HUGE tight low end)
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So youre saying my first (badly) educated guess at new speaker to get the sound I want is the best?
This is.....odd. I'm accustomed to the first post suggesting something totally different, and every subesequent one something different again. Its the bare knuckle forum tradition!
I'm tempted to order 2 before anyone else comes along and confuses me.
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So youre saying my first (badly) educated guess at new speaker to get the sound I want is the best?
Believe it or not, yes :)
It's all basically guesswork if you can't actually try these things anyway. Best you can do it trawl forums for advice, read the specs thoroughly etc.
What I can tell you, based on my own experience is that the K100s sound great in my Engl 4x12...
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Did you replace all 4?
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MDV, get 2 and replace those in an X-pattern. Then see what you think before getting 4. In my hands, the G12K100s mix really well (although I'm mixing them with EVM12L blacks), and you may be pleasantly surprised by the results. I find it gives a fuller, fatter tone, without loss of articulation and clarity. All good for our sort of stuff ;)
DO IT!
Roo
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Yes: 2 Classic Lead 80s & 2 K100s
Here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13899.0) is what I posted when I got them, & here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14906.0) is what I posted after I'd had a chance to calm down a little... :)
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warning! thread hijack! :)
i've got a peavey 2x12 cab with god-knows-what-but-i-think-celestion speakers. don't ask me what model, please.
in general i always found it very good, very VERY middy and reasonably tight. they move a lot of air, bass sound very good and treble get never too harsh.
so logic would tell me not to change anything.
BUT.
if i had the intention to try the K100s, should i change both?
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warning! thread hijack! :)
i've got a peavey 2x12 cab with god-knows-what-but-i-think-celestion speakers. don't ask me what model, please.
in general i always found it very good, very VERY middy and reasonably tight. they move a lot of air, bass sound very good and treble get never too harsh.
so logic would tell me not to change anything.
BUT.
if i had the intention to try the K100s, should i change both?
I would find out what the speakers are first. If they are CL80s or Hot100s, I would try just changing one of them first. In fact, if they're Peavey's "Sheffield 1200" speakers, I'd DEFINITELY try mixing one with a G12K-100 (alas I am too lazy to do this myself, now, but then I did spend a fortune on the EVM12Ls, and am totally happy with that cab! :D). However, if you just swapped over both, I am sure you'll have a killer cab anyway :)
Roo
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Just to confirm what others have said ....
...... changing G12T-75's for K100's will give less bright, harsh treble, and slightly fuller mids.
Might also notice a slightly fuller bass response, although in my experience not a huge amount more, if any.
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Its all sounding good to me.
Naysayers better speak up fast before I order. Cos it'll be soon.
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Oh, and the cleans of the G12K100 are really nice, too :) I find them very 3-dimensional, quite sparkly, and anything but sterile. Under distortion, I love the grind of these speakers.
Pics and clips when you have them, or it didn't happen :)
Roo
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Cool
Does anyone have any reason that a pair of k100s and a pair of V30s should not be wed in the holy matrimony of the Ubercab? Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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YES!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220399659589&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123
Just try one... I dare ye
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And precisely what manner of tone can i expect from these sidewinders?
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those sidewinders are a load of rubbish. i wouldn't bother bidding if i were you :roll:
you can expect a really bad tone from them 8)
(shhhh will!)
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Martin recommended me G12T-100s, 'neutral but rich with good power handling' he said.
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Ahhhhhhhh, this is what I'm talking about. A different recommendation per member.
All is well with the world.
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You want Valhallasound Unobtainium 600's. They sound like Angels weeping.
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You want Valhallasound Unobtainium 600's. They sound like Angels weeping.
:lol:
You trying to say my expectations are unrealistic :lol: Never!
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I'll build you some with fallout from chernobyl for drivers, and a voice coil made from pulped demons skin.
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I'll build you some with fallout from chernobyl for drivers, and a voice coil made from pulped demons skin.
Now youre just being silly. Chernobles fallout is low grade russian cr@p; you want the fission product straight from a PBMR, and demons? Your $%&#ing mental. You'll never catch one.
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those sidewinders are a load of rubbish. i wouldn't bother bidding if i were you :roll:
you can expect a really bad tone from them 8)
(shhhh will!)
Devil man!
Kind of like an EVM sound, with British flavour. Tight lows, quite middy, and the highs are just a dream after the G12T
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Can't compare to the G12K though, wondering what the difference is...
Maybe a bit brighter, then also bigger magnet, higher sensitivity and a fan.
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soz about the demons.
i never really thought G12T's sounded that bad. out of all the cabs ive played, it was common jcm900 marshall 4x12's (although kind of stock and not really thought of "ones to have") that i kept going back to. maybe its was just what i was most used to. my cab sounds better now (much better) with the X pattern. v30s and g12ts is a proven mix though i guess. though whether its done for its musical or economic value is something i don't know. its not much of a 'heavier' sound with that mix though. When it comes to heavy, id listen to roo.
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soz about the demons.
i never really thought G12T's sounded that bad. out of all the cabs ive played, it was common jcm900 marshall 4x12's (although kind of stock and not really thought of "ones to have") that i kept going back to. maybe its was just what i was most used to. my cab sounds better now (much better) with the X pattern. v30s and g12ts is a proven mix though i guess. though whether its done for its musical or economic value is something i don't know. its not much of a 'heavier' sound with that mix though. When it comes to heavy, id listen to roo.
Woo!
That's a first :D
I must say, I LOVE the G12K-100s mixed with EVM12L-black labels. They cost an arm and a leg, though. In those recordings I put up recently, the EVM12L black on the top row was the one miked up, and I'm really happy with the sound it gives, especially at gigging volumes. It's quite a neutral speaker, but its bass handling is unsurpassed, and it really allows the tone from your guitar and pedals to shine through, I find. Not too much colouration.
So, if money is no object, that's my recommendation :)
Otherwise, get 2 more G12Ks, or possibly stick a couple of V30s in there - but I'd want to try this out myself before buying them!!
Roo
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agree with Roo that EV12L has unsurpassed bass handling, though I assume I am using the classic ones, rather than the black labels. really like mine. haven't chipped in so far, since i'm not really playing br00talz
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Ahhhhhhhh, this is what I'm talking about. A different recommendation per member.
All is well with the world.
Lol, well if I could play some clips for you I would. Better than words obviously.
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
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Looking forward to clips :)
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Maybe one day. Dont hold your breath!
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
Are your shootouts with K100s?
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Are your shootouts with K100s?
Yeah, the recent HD/CS/PK/MM one was a K100 close mic'd with an SM57 (my cab has a mix of CL80s & K100s), though as I said in that thread I've really not figured out how to get a good recording of the tone yet...
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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Only took 24 hours :) Thats gotta be some sort of forum record :lol:
Looking forward to it. Tomorrow off work to take delivery and piss about with them.
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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Only took 24 hours :) Thats gotta be some sort of forum record :lol:
Looking forward to it. Tomorrow off work to take delivery and piss about with them.
i'm quite fast too to take decisions... i often ask advice AFTER having ordered something... :)
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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Only took 24 hours :) Thats gotta be some sort of forum record :lol:
Looking forward to it. Tomorrow off work to take delivery and piss about with them.
i'm quite fast too to take decisions... i often ask advice AFTER having ordered something... :)
Yeah, Ive been known to pull the trigger and think about it later.
At least I dont ask people about the sounds of pickups I already own though!
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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Only took 24 hours :) Thats gotta be some sort of forum record :lol:
Looking forward to it. Tomorrow off work to take delivery and piss about with them.
i'm quite fast too to take decisions... i often ask advice AFTER having ordered something... :)
Yeah, Ive been known to pull the trigger and think about it later.
At least I dont ask people about the sounds of pickups I already own though!
this was rough...
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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Only took 24 hours :) Thats gotta be some sort of forum record :lol:
Looking forward to it. Tomorrow off work to take delivery and piss about with them.
i'm quite fast too to take decisions... i often ask advice AFTER having ordered something... :)
Yeah, Ive been known to pull the trigger and think about it later.
At least I dont ask people about the sounds of pickups I already own though!
this was rough...
I'm just funnin wid ya ;)
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Dont suppose anyones compared K100s with G12H30s have they? I like my h30s but sometimes get a bit annoyed with the fizz/harshness.
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Hotrox dude said that they were smooth?
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I just ordered the k-100s.
Will be here tomorrow.
Blimey, a decision :o :o
That's very unlike the BKP forum... :)
(Good choice by the way, I stand by my comment that K100s SLAY & think you will love them...)
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Only took 24 hours :) Thats gotta be some sort of forum record :lol:
Looking forward to it. Tomorrow off work to take delivery and piss about with them.
i'm quite fast too to take decisions... i often ask advice AFTER having ordered something... :)
Yeah, Ive been known to pull the trigger and think about it later.
At least I dont ask people about the sounds of pickups I already own though!
this was rough...
I'm just funnin wid ya ;)
no offence taken, mate, i was just kiddin'...
:)
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Dont suppose anyones compared K100s with G12H30s have they? I like my h30s but sometimes get a bit annoyed with the fizz/harshness.
Mix a Sidewinder in!
Someone, please.... PLEASE buy it
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hey MDV you know you want to make me a cab impulse when you got these things installed!!!!
in return I'll bake you a cake or something... then squash it with a hammer so it'll fit in your letter box
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Well, they're in.
Verdict - much, much tighter, punchier, more growl in the low mids, accentuates pick attack nicely without sticking a knife in your ears, smoother high end, much less fizz, fuller tone, and much thicker but nothing is lost in clarity (if anything theres more due to the tightness and chainsaw-yness now being gone from the top end.
I didnt get the sound in my head out of them, I still need to find some valhallatone unobtanium 600s going for a decent price second hand, or catch a demon, but its a couple of steps closer and certainly a big improvment in the direction I wanted.
Thanks for your help guys, especially antag and roo. Your advice was spot on - these things are doing what you said they would.
Edit - I'm eager to hear what these sound like burned in.
Should enhance the lows and mids rather a bit.
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sounds good. that was fast, too :lol:
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I dont 'ang about :D
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Good to hear they're doing what you expected. Get those bad boys broken in and they'll really open up for you :)
Roo
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^ ^ :lol:
did you put in 4 of them? or just 2?
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24 hours of solid play should burn them in nicely!!
Make sure you have ice available for your fingers
Actually 2 guitarists (alternating) in a 24 hour playing marathon could be a serious suggestion for a charity fund raiser and if they were from say a couple of bands may be publicity as well ?
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Just 2 dave.
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what are the other 2- v30s?
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what are the other 2- v30s?
yup
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interesting- how are the non-br00talz tones? have you tried non-br00talz tones yet? :lol:
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:lol:
What ever would make you think that I wouldnt?
Well, I nearly didnt, but I dabbled with some cleans for a couple of minutes. Rounder, fatter, chimier, fuller. I like. Is good.
Nothing in between yet though.
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Thinking about trying a pair in my 2x12 but not sure if I'll like em. Are they quite a "modern" sounding speaker or can you get decent "vintage" tones with em as well?
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Dunno, I never try to get vintage tones, and were I to attempt it I suspect my powerball would resist my efforts.
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:lol:
What ever would make you think that I wouldnt?
Well, I nearly didnt, but I dabbled with some cleans for a couple of minutes. Rounder, fatter, chimier, fuller. I like. Is good.
Nothing in between yet though.
no worries. thanks :) sounds good for the cleans, anyway.
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:lol:
What ever would make you think that I wouldnt?
Well, I nearly didnt, but I dabbled with some cleans for a couple of minutes. Rounder, fatter, chimier, fuller. I like. Is good.
Nothing in between yet though.
no worries. thanks :) sounds good for the cleans, anyway.
The cleans were the biggest surprise for me. They were lovely, zingy, but fat. Really nice sparkle on them. Of course, the 5150-II doesn't really put out 'clean' tones, but at low volumes at least I could get some rather nice 'metal cleans' out of it, and the G12Ks sounded better to my ears than the EVM12L blacks for the cleans. Quite different, and complementary, though, both for clean and distorted tones.
Roo
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thanks roo :)