Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: rebirth on October 14, 2009, 09:52:00 PM
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To put in a Dean USA ml 30th Anniversary guitar, all mahogany body redwood top ebony set neck specs wise.
Just dont know whether to go war pig or nail bombs, any ideas would be greatfully recieved thanks so much.
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What sounds do you want to achieve?
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a very tight heavy sound, in the style of threat signal, chimaira, hell yeah, kind of sound.
Brutal but very articulate i guess we play in C and use mesa boogie dual rec stacks.
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Do you find the redwood top attenuate the high end of that guitar compared to a comparble LP set neck instrument with a maple top?
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You want painkillers for that tone out of that rig
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A-Pig will probably be a bit too fat for this. They're very well defined but soooo thick it's untrue.
Certainly one of the fatter ceramics. The Cold Sweat is all that I have experience with in this field. They do rather like mahogany, though!
And post pics. Redwood is f**king epic as a top wood. :D
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cold sweat or painkiller
leaning to the painkiller, unless you're a heavy boosting adept
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If you want a tight sound and play in low tunings, you definitely want something ceramic. If you need insanity, consider a C-Pig. Otherwise, Painkiller, or maybe even C-Bomb?
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wary of tooo much gain as i use dual rec stack which is v aggressive tuned down to C# What are the differences tonaly between war pig and nailbomb in general?.
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use the vintage mode
sounds deeper, more organic and much less fizzy
modern mode sucks
and don't go alnico
I still keep the painkiller or cold sweat (if you're boosting the amp) advices
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and don't go alnico
+100 on that, regarding your guitar specs, your rig, and what you want to do. My guess is that the Nailbomb won't deal well with that massive mahogany body, as well as the Pig which could be too dark and warm, imo.
As said before Painkiller would probably be what you are looking for (tightness, downtuning, brutalz BUT clear AND articulate sounds).
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My guess is that the Nailbomb won't deal well with that massive mahogany body, as well as the Pig which could be too dark and warm, imo.
nah, not because of this
the nailbomb is waaay too tight in my '73 lp custom
but rectos just don't sound right with alnico pickups
not that they work well with anything anyway :lol:
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Well, I can only talke by my experience but...
A-NB works amazing great in my Caparison Orbit (Mahogany + Maple neckthru)..
C-NB works insane in my Caparison Angelus Custom (Heavy mahogany body + maple top).
And I'm using a Diezel Herbert and all the guitars down to C and drop A#.
That saying that the NB doesnt work properly with Mahogany,, well, in my case, I think the contrary, they are really great... (In fact, I really hated the PK in my Orbit, and I replaced with a NB, and now is perfect)
Now I'm in a similar situation, deciding new pickups for another V guitar, and I'm between the C-PIG or the C-NB, not 100% yet.-.. :( maybe the C-Pig to try something different
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The PK in a Gibson Explorer gives amazing results regarding the request here : agressive, with real presence, tightness, clarity (everything that I didn't find with the NB by comparison :lol:).
That said, it's true that I didn't take into account the redwood top of that Dean, as for me I was relating my experience with the NB in the 100% mahogany bodied guitar I tried.
As for the caparison, well I think it is a totally different beast, too difficult to compare with that Dean, imo. But it's nice to see the NB works great in it !
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Yeahh, eaxctly, I guess every guitar is a different beast, so... well, I can tell you is my personal experiences with the guitars I've tried.
About explorer... I have an ESP explorer, all mahogany with MM and the result is really great... !!! very very very very great pickups for this guitar. I cant compare with others, because I didnt tried others in this guitar, but definitly match nicely.
Maybe someday I swap the pickups and try the C-NB in the explorer and the MM in the Caparison Angelus.. who knows, although I doubt it cause they are great so far.
Sorry If I went a little off topic, just sharing my experiences and thoughts, in case it can help in any way.
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That saying that the NB doesnt work properly with Mahogany,, well, in my case, I think the contrary, they are really great... (In fact, I really hated the PK in my Orbit, and I replaced with a NB, and now is perfect)
don't forget you're talking about a neckthrough maple guitar with mahogany wings... that's substantially a maple guitar, so bright as hell! i'm sure you hated PKs in it, but i'm glad to know that the A5 NBs sound great, because i want to do something similar!
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You are more than right.. I think that was what killed the PK... At least for me... I found it toooo harsh and trebly. I gues the hard maple necktrough was the key ;).
Things I've tested in a FULL HEAVY MAHOGANY guitar... (Caparison Angelus custom and ESP Explorer), MM and C-NB in the Angelus, and MM in the Explorer.
Both works absolutly amazing with them... I dont know how would stand the A-NB, but the C-NB works really cool ;). (if it can be of some help to anyone)
don't forget you're talking about a neckthrough maple guitar with mahogany wings... that's substantially a maple guitar, so bright as hell! i'm sure you hated PKs in it, but i'm glad to know that the A5 NBs sound great, because i want to do something similar!
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esp mx? if so wanna trade lol
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Yep, the same ;) and nop sorry, no trades no sales ;)
This one is a keeper ! (even more with a MM set !!! )
esp mx? if so wanna trade lol
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My question is pretty the same.
I'm thinking about NB or WP in a LP-style guitar. Neck and body will be made out of mahogany, ebony fretboard 25", string-thru. About the "top-wood" i'm not sure yet.
For amplification i'm using an ENGL Blackmore which hasn't got the amount of bass which i would have liked.
The sound i'm looking for is powerfull and thight bass and mids with not too much treble.
Heavy distortion is pretty important for me, but i'm not turning the gain-poti (II) over 14:00 o'clock.
As i've already read in the BKP-forum the WP could be too much in a mahogany guitar. But i think i'm really looking for this "overkilled" sound. I've listend to a lot of clips, the best to compare i found the "metal"-clips recorded by "dheim" http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15253.0;attach=5113 http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15253.0;attach=5114
After this i've found my favorite, but i'ts recorded with a basswood guitar. => How does basswood affect the sound?
Valentin
ps: Sorry for my "swiss"-english...
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My question is pretty the same.
I'm thinking about NB or WP in a LP-style guitar. Neck and body will be made out of mahogany, ebony fretboard 25", string-thru. About the "top-wood" i'm not sure yet.
For amplification i'm using an ENGL Blackmore which hasn't got the amount of bass which i would have liked.
The sound i'm looking for is powerfull and thight bass and mids with not too much treble.
Heavy distortion is pretty important for me, but i'm not turning the gain-poti (II) over 14:00 o'clock.
As i've already read in the BKP-forum the WP could be too much in a mahogany guitar. But i think i'm really looking for this "overkilled" sound. I've listend to a lot of clips, the best to compare i found the "metal"-clips recorded by "dheim" http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15253.0;attach=5113 http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15253.0;attach=5114
After this i've found my favorite, but i'ts recorded with a basswood guitar. => How does basswood affect the sound?
Valentin
ps: Sorry for my "swiss"-english...
some alnico warpig videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKabTWdWfmg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOoNGks7vpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYM-W3vYOUE
different amps though
I only played the warpig through a Laney with a mahogany Ibanez RG
the nailbomb in my lp custom sounded pretty brutal through my friend's amps
one is a handbuilt head based on the engl 530 and Fireball, but with a 100w soldano style power amp, frontloaded 4x12 cab with celestion v30's and g12h30's in X pattern
the other one is a 60's fender twin combo that he also modded for the ENGL circuit with a custom made 50w greenback clone
even the 1x12 combo sounded HUGE with nailbombs, so I don't think you would miss that with a blackmore and a bigger cab
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Wow, thanks for your fast answer. I mostly liked the modded marshall clip that sounds very similar to what i'm looking for. After your post i'm sure that i'll read and listen more about these two, before i'll buy a calibrated set. But i'm sure it will be a BKP!
Valentin