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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: MrBump on January 03, 2010, 09:25:14 AM
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... or does anyone else struggle with band names in the "Pickups" section of this forum?
I love to read it, but it's nearly always something along the lines of:
"Hi - can anyone help me? I can't decide if I need a Warpig, a Painkiller or a Holy Diver. I want to sound like the guitarist from 'Anal Itching', or maybe 'Thrush Baby', or 'Broken Twig'"...
I must be soooo out of touch!!!
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Welcome to the old grumpy man club.
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I have little clue about most of these new, I believe it's called "heavy mental" music beat combos either.
In all seriousness though looking through guitar mags, especially the American ones, and checking out the ads they seem to fall into two categories: old geezers and metal bands. Perhaps these are the only two groups who get into gear in a big way? I don't really see, "Johnny Borrell plays Brand X pickups" ads appearing soon. I'm generalising grossly here but it looks like indie/rock/etc. bands get the guitar and are done with it whereas metallers seem to be tweakers with their own guitars, pickups, strings and so on. So using the metal or old geezers grouping (I feel a Venn diagram coming on) those would be the two sorts of folks you'd expect to appear in the Pickups forum, and I'd say that was a reasonable approximation of what happens.
It's all still just noise though. I remember when all this used to be fields. Nurse! Nurse! Where's my medicine?
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:lol:
It's not just you.
I've started playing a game with myself on these particular pickup threads -"Guess the Pickup recommendation".
Seeing as I've never heard any of these bands, nor indeed tried any of the appropriate BKPs, I get it right a surprising number of times...
There's a variation on the game called "Guess who will join the thread to make recommendations" - this can be played on any thread in the Pickups section. I realised that there was potential for this version of the game when I noticed that I automatically respond to any thread where the answer could be "Blackguards" or "Irish Tours" :lol:
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In all seriousness though looking through guitar mags, especially the American ones, and checking out the ads they seem to fall into two categories: old geezers and metal bands. Perhaps these are the only two groups who get into gear in a big way? I don't really see, "Johnny Burrell plays Brand X pickups" ads appearing soon. I'm generalising grossly here but it looks like indie/rock/etc. bands get the guitar and are done with it whereas metallers seem to be tweakers with their own guitars, pickups, strings and so on. So using the metal or old geezers grouping (I feel a Venn diagram coming on) those would be the two sorts of folks you'd expect to appear in the Pickups forum, and I'd say that was a reasonable approximation of what happens.
Good post! I guess, perhaps, it says something about the types of personalities who are drawn to different musical styles. Generalising grossly (as you said), but many musicians in other genres genuinely seem to regard their instruments as "just tools" and are more interested in what they can get out of them as opposed to what they can change about them (I do suspect for some, the "just tools" thing is a bit of a pose and secretly they're gear nerds like the rest of us!!).
Personally I used to call myself a metal fan but now (a) metal has evolved into something I no longer recognise and (b) the passage of time has, inevitably, turned me into an old geezer. So, to an extent, I'd be pretty comfortable in one of the overlapping areas of that Venn diagram. Which is probably why I'm still buying guitar mags.
On those "Pickups" threads, I usually recognise the band names but I've only rarely heard any of their music. I guess in another few years it'll be like reading Greek. :|
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:lol:
I have no idea about most of the metal bands people mention here! Don't even visit the pickup forum any more unless I've got a question :P
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Someone asked how to get the tone of the Skid Row (usa) albums.... I was all over that sh1t! :P
Ask about Goat Colostomy / Dildo of Valhalla --- F**k knows :? :? :?
I just end up talking rubbish in the dressing room till someone who remembers when music attracted Hot Girls and the cool dudes used hairspray and drank Jack turns up with a Kramer or BC Rich. :D
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Someone asked how to get the tone of the Skid Row (usa) albums.... I was all over that sh1t! :P
Ask about Goat Colostomy / Dildo of Valhalla --- F**k knows :? :? :?
I just end up talking rubbish in the dressing room till someone who remembers when music attracted Hot Girls and the cool dudes used hairspray and drank Jack turns up with a Kramer or BC Rich. :D
Dave, you're giving an idea for another thread...
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Goat Colostomy / Dildo of Valhalla?
Didn't someone put those in the best bands of the decade thread?
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i haven't heard of most of those more extreme metal bands either. i would add, though, that on UG a lot of the people are asking about indie, alternative, post-rock (i wasn't aware it was over) etc. bands which I haven't heard of either.
regarding the indie bands, maybe it's because a lot of the mid-price gear will do indie fairly well out of the box? i mean, i reckon i could get a fairly decent indie/mid-low gain guitar setup with about £500. I wouldn't say the same for metal, heck i wouldn't even expect to get the amp for that.
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It's me too. I occationally follow a link to a youtube clip and I always hear the same detuned chugging with the same guy shouting in a really low voice sounding a bit like the Exorcist.
I don't really like what I hear but to be fair I don't know much about these genres, I'm sure if I went to the right gigs, listened to the right albums I'd get it a bit more. Things might sound a little more brootal at a gig rather than through my laptop speakers.
I don't know my deathcore from my doom, as they say....
Then again I watch rednecks chicken' pickin' on telecasters so it's probably too late for me to understand.....
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Great stuff Dave :lol: :lol:
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I don't know my deathcore from my doom, as they say....
If it sounds a bit like Sabbath, it's doom, pretty much. :lol:
There's actually probably more variety in metal than in any other genre I can think of (provided you don't consider "world music" a genre, which you shouldn't, 'cause it's a ridiculous umbrella term) there's a breadth within it that doesn't really exist in anything else, at least insofar as I've discovered. The "it all sounds alike" thing just smacks of ignorance, to me. I know nobody is strictly saying that, but I can see it coming.
Regards having not heard of bands, well, is it surprising? Extreme metal isn't exactly widely publicised. In saying that, I can't think of more than a couple of occasions when someone has actually mentioned an extreme metal band on this forum other than four regulars.
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Why do we feel the need to compartmentalise everything into genres and have everything neatly arranged into its correct pigeon hole? I suppose it makes finding similar bands or songs a bit easier. However looking up extreme metal on Wikipedia gave me this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_metal), I don't know if this is representative but it seems that it's sub-genre after sub-genre, where does it stop?
It's all music to me, or is there a fundamental difference between some generic Euro dance song, a song that's classed as extreme metal and something a bit random like 'In C' or 'A Rainbow in a curved air' by Terry Riley?
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Yeah it's the bloody "Clique-yness" of it all with sub-tribal affiliations and their own self-defined nomenclature...
Just make or listen to some music and get over yourself.... YOU WILL BE OLD TOO SOON! :P :lol: :lol:
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i think all genres are cliquey and in some way elitist.
i used to be one of those guys who'd get heartbroken when everyone got into some underground bands i was into.
im over all that now.
I think people need to catagorize for a lot of reasons. I don't think its a bad thing, and usually when i see interviews with people being like 'man i do so much weird and new music you just can't put me in a box' i get really annoyed and probably won't ever check that person out.
now i tend to check out stuff that falls into my lap, or that people tell me about, or mostly my friends bands.
i barely go in record stores any more. in a way this upsets me, because I love finding new bands within my favourite genres of music, but right now there are so few bands i actually really like, i get super depressed. actually! like all these hardcore/metal cross over bands, so few people in them understand the roots of what they are doing.
like we were talking about Rage and the bands that Zack has been in. If you play metal or hardcore (im thinking stuff like merauder or life of agony) then i think you should be aware of bands like Void and Leeway. I think everyone into heavy music should have listened to the Cro-Mags once. if you wear a ramones shirt or a CBGB's shirt and you don't know what those things are, then you should be shot.
plus, i think a wide appreciation of music and the ability to recognise similarities between sounds and things that are different that would work together makes for a better musician and some interesting music.
Im tired of hearing british kids ripping off every american bands that pops up. its just creates this really watered down music scene that feels unoriginal and at times blindly self supportive.
treat for y'all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O17tU6lgcAc (this video is off my current favourite leeway record, open mouth kiss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ26s2p3bGg
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There's actually probably more variety in metal than in any other genre I can think of (provided you don't consider "world music" a genre, which you shouldn't, 'cause it's a ridiculous umbrella term) there's a breadth within it that doesn't really exist in anything else, at least insofar as I've discovered.
But couldn't that be a perception because that's the kind of music you're into?
I'd imagine there's a pretty enormous variety of "dance" music, for example - they probably have all sorts of names for minutely different sub-genres too - but we wouldn't be aware of it unless we really got into it. There's too much music in the world to have a real overview.
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There's actually probably more variety in metal than in any other genre I can think of (provided you don't consider "world music" a genre, which you shouldn't, 'cause it's a ridiculous umbrella term) there's a breadth within it that doesn't really exist in anything else, at least insofar as I've discovered.
But couldn't that be a perception because that's the kind of music you're into?
I'd imagine there's a pretty enormous variety of "dance" music, for example - they probably have all sorts of names for minutely different sub-genres too - but we wouldn't be aware of it unless we really got into it. There's too much music in the world to have a real overview.
Scooter is all you need to know about
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Scooter is all you need to know about
You've lost me! Is that a band? A genre? A small motorised two-wheel vehicle? :P
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Scooter is all you need to know about
You've lost me! Is that a band? A genre? A small motorised two-wheel vehicle? :P
its a band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrPaEUjtYvQ
welcome to mainland europe haha.
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:x :x :x
AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!! MY EARS!!! MY EYES!!!
Serves me right for asking, I suppose.... :|
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There's actually probably more variety in metal than in any other genre I can think of (provided you don't consider "world music" a genre, which you shouldn't, 'cause it's a ridiculous umbrella term) there's a breadth within it that doesn't really exist in anything else, at least insofar as I've discovered.
But couldn't that be a perception because that's the kind of music you're into?
Possibly. But I don't make that statement lightly. I'm just not aware of any other type of music where things as disparate as, for instance, Blood Inside by Ulver and Antichrist by Gorgoroth can be considered the same genre.
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Possibly. But I don't make that statement lightly. I'm just not aware of any other type of music where things as disparate as, for instance, Blood Inside by Ulver and Antichrist by Gorgoroth can be considered the same genre.
Yup, fair point & well made..... nothing more to see here.
As this is a thread by and for "Grumpy Old Gits" who "don't get it" .....
I make NO apologies for saying...
Could you please just f**k off with your "Blood inside cat's Vulva" sh!t
and let's us old folk talk about the musical subgenres between Django Reinhardt & Slayer that we grew up with. :? :P
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(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_02/meldrewDM1004_228x336.jpg)
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:x :x :x
AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!! MY EARS!!! MY EYES!!!
Serves me right for asking, I suppose.... :|
It's alright philly they had one song with a guitar in it!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBPqiMfDQ2g
oh no I just found a cover they did of rebel yell, absolute awful
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:x :x :x
AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!! MY EARS!!! MY EYES!!!
Serves me right for asking, I suppose.... :|
It's alright philly they had one song with a guitar in it!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBPqiMfDQ2g
oh no I just found a cover they did of rebel yell, absolute awful
big scooter fan here
check out their amazing collaboration with status quo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0DTm_bWEjs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0DTm_bWEjs)
legendary
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Yup, fair point & well made..... nothing more to see here.
As this is a thread by and for "Grumpy Old Gits" who "don't get it" .....
I make NO apologies for saying...
Could you please just f**k off with your "Blood inside cat's Vulva" sh!t
and let's us old folk talk about the musical subgenres between Django Reinhardt & Slayer that we grew up with. :? :P
I just sprayed tea out of my nose whilst reading that! Made my day. I'm just glad I didn't have a biscuit of the chocolate genre in my gob as well.
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
Only their first album.
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
Only their first album.
I only liked their pre-demo practice room tape recording.
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
Only their first album.
I only liked their pre-demo practice room tape recording.
Oh, that's soooo 2009...
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
Only their first album.
I only liked their pre-demo practice room tape recording.
Oh, that's soooo 2009...
apologies for living in the past
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
If you can find guitars on it.
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"Blood inside cat's Vulva"
ceramic nailbomb surely?
Only their first album.
I only liked their pre-demo practice room tape recording.
Oh, that's soooo 2009...
apologies for living in the past
Ah, a bit of Jethro Tull. That's more like it.
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apologies for living in the past
Ah, a bit of Jethro Tull. That's more like it.
that a bit br00tal isn't it?
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you can two step to that shizzle
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Gotta say, this thread has given me the best laugh of the year so far! :D
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Me too! :lol: A few pints and thinking up with some metal band/song names sounds like a good laugh to me! Lets have a BKP meet based on this. :lol:
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Lets have a BKP meet based on this. :lol:
Sounds good to me! (but so do Killer Dwarfs and that's a real band youngsters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h71_Cab1sCo
Let's have a Beer and talk about Rock, Girls, pointy guitars, erectile dysfunction & male pattern baldness.
P.S.... Johnny - please invite Vanessa Upton on Facebook and I can worry about erectile dysfunction another night :P
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Lets have a BKP meet based on this. :lol:
Sounds good to me! (but so do Killer Dwarfs and that's a real band youngsters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h71_Cab1sCo
Let's have a Beer and talk about Rock, Girls, pointy guitars, erectile dysfunction & male pattern baldness.
P.S.... Johnny - please invite Vanessa Upton on Facebook and I can worry about erectile dysfunction another night :P
Oh man......Vanessa Upton! She is incredible isn't she!! Do you remember her in the Loaded calenders, photos by Bob Carlos Clarke? Tops anything I've seen in the crushes thread! :D
Anyway talking about metal bands ect. When I go into it in the 80's obviously it was a lot different to the Goat Colostomy genre but for me it was just a bit of a laugh. I liked the music that i listened to but didn't take it seriously.
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Fanatics, got to love them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSoh3c7QVyw
Yeah it's been dicked around with, but the original interview shows what an erudite young man he is, but is just as amusing to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLDhISoln64
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Oh man......Vanessa Upton! She is incredible isn't she!! Do you remember her in the Loaded calenders, photos by Bob Carlos Clarke? Tops anything I've seen in the crushes thread! :D
Oh yes! ... I think I've still got 'em round here somewhere... :D Can't beat a little bit of high glam fetish. :P :P
I still LOVE metal but I just can't get all po-faced and serious about it any longer.
It is too divided.
If I hear something that grabs me, nothing will deter me from digging deeper into the artists catalogue or the style in general and that is no different to the first time I walked into "OUR PRICE" and bought a metallica tape!
It seems too easy for all concerned to keep music compartmentalised and "underground" - I think it takes real guts and loads of investment to go out and try to convert or introduce people to new music...
Channels of communication are so personalised that if you only ever want to listen to or discuss Hip Hop/Doom/Folk/jazz you need never be exposed to anything else. :?
Shame.
I'm gonna off listen to some tapes of "The Friday Rockshow" wearing my Gimp Mask and have a wank over old picture's of Vanessa Upton...
Just Like The Good Old Days....
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^ :lol: :lol: :lol: Great stuff Dave, have fun!
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There's actually probably more variety in metal than in any other genre I can think of (provided you don't consider "world music" a genre, which you shouldn't, 'cause it's a ridiculous umbrella term) there's a breadth within it that doesn't really exist in anything else, at least insofar as I've discovered. The "it all sounds alike" thing just smacks of ignorance, to me. I know nobody is strictly saying that, but I can see it coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pmv__3krFw (warning, lots of swearing)
(yeah, fur tv was terrible, but that bit was pretty funny, especially the "different types of metal" bit)
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i like how Manowar break it down.
True Metal
Falso Metal
1 and 0
the Binary System chaps.
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And they aren't even kidding. Whereas near every extreme metal band I've ever dealt with (including lots of corpsepainted loons and the most serious of artists) take their music seriously but themselves far less so. I don't think anyone has so much as grinned at a Manowar rehearsal. The guys stipulate everyone playing before them on a stage play at half the volume they do for goodness sake! Dafties. Their mid set speeches are the most cringeworthy things I've ever seen live.
There's actually probably more variety in metal than in any other genre I can think of (provided you don't consider "world music" a genre, which you shouldn't, 'cause it's a ridiculous umbrella term) there's a breadth within it that doesn't really exist in anything else, at least insofar as I've discovered. The "it all sounds alike" thing just smacks of ignorance, to me. I know nobody is strictly saying that, but I can see it coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pmv__3krFw (warning, lots of swearing)
(yeah, fur tv was terrible, but that bit was pretty funny, especially the "different types of metal" bit)
Is it the daft video with vegetarian progressive grindcore? It makes a point, some of the really specific genres aren't very different from one another, and so many bands occupy several of them so it's problematic. But the basic extreme metal subgenres are really quite distinct even to a novice ear regardless of their relation to each other with having the same roots in doom, hardcore and punk.
Taking folks that typify the genre's - and that will be fairly familar:
Grindcore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQidsbSjL-w
Thrash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYJXNLxSsA
Black Metal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFn26ntmSsg
Doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO7VP34n2Ps
Death Metal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTpQOZcNASw
Sludge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCPv8ZLTNtQ
All that said, there's plenty people who will call gypsy jazz and big band the same thing and folks who'll claim baroque and classical sound the same. But they're all wrong, too :lol:
Now, I'm getting carried away.
Everyone should download Blood Inside Cats Vulva though. Since its a staggeringly good record. Which in all likelyhood none of you would even consider a metal album, incidentally, even though it is, because black metal is strange like that.
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yeah, that's the one. I just thought it was funny. I like (not too heavy) metal.
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Everyone should download Blood Inside Cats Vulva though. Since its a staggeringly good record. Which in all likelyhood none of you would even consider a metal album, incidentally, even though it is, because black metal is strange like that.
I've just been listening to some tracks on YouTube. It's interesting.
And you're correct, I wouldn't call it metal. But I guess it is, because you said so, right? :wink:
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Everyone should download Blood Inside Cats Vulva though. Since its a staggeringly good record. Which in all likelyhood none of you would even consider a metal album, incidentally, even though it is, because black metal is strange like that.
I've just been listening to some tracks on YouTube. It's interesting.
And you're correct, I wouldn't call it metal. But I guess it is, because you said so, right? :wink:
Black Metal is just a weird thing, generally Blood Inside is considered to be a black metal album by fans, pretty much because Ulver made it and the vibe it has, but lots of other bands have progressed to things like that from super grim necro origins, and various have started further down the road. It's an atmosphere thing, rather than defined sounds, I suppose. Much like how plenty stuff could be considered folk and punk with out sounding remotely like the originators.
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I can't think of anything bar Ms. Upton dressed in leather spanking my arse! Does that mean I'm bad man?
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Black Metal is just a weird thing, generally Blood Inside is considered to be a black metal album by fans, pretty much because Ulver made it and the vibe it has, but lots of other bands have progressed to things like that from super grim necro origins, and various have started further down the road. It's an atmosphere thing, rather than defined sounds, I suppose. Much like how plenty stuff could be considered folk and punk with out sounding remotely like the originators.
I guess there's a certain dark quality about it which hints at metal. But when you get that far away from your roots (I assume they had a more typical metal sound originally?) do labels really matter any more?
I like some of the Scandinavian metal I've heard with atmospheric folk (or folklore) elements. It's the more metallic parts (yes, the vocals) I struggle with.
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Black Metal is just a weird thing, generally Blood Inside is considered to be a black metal album by fans, pretty much because Ulver made it and the vibe it has, but lots of other bands have progressed to things like that from super grim necro origins, and various have started further down the road. It's an atmosphere thing, rather than defined sounds, I suppose. Much like how plenty stuff could be considered folk and punk with out sounding remotely like the originators.
I guess there's a certain dark quality about it which hints at metal. But when you get that far away from your roots (I assume they had a more typical metal sound originally?) do labels really matter any more?
Not really, no. I'm just a fan of the idea of genres because it make's things far easier to describe quickly, and the "it all sounds alike anyway" attitude annoys me, since it's just naive at best, and willfully ignorant or deliberately condescending otherwise.
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I bet you're a right laugh at parties.
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Most of my pals are really rather intelligent, so it doesn't often come up.
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the "it all sounds alike anyway" attitude annoys me, since it's just naive at best, and willfully ignorant or deliberately condescending otherwise.
Well, it all sounds kinda similar really now.... doesn't it?... dontcha think.... deep down? If we're being honest :?
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the "it all sounds alike anyway" attitude annoys me, since it's just naive at best, and willfully ignorant or deliberately condescending otherwise.
Well, it all sounds kinda similar really now.... doesn't it?... dontcha think.... deep down? If we're being honest :?
Just like guitars, right?
And lets bear in mind I'm not just talking about extreme metal, or even just rock music, it has nothing to do with my own tastes, other than it means I'm knowledgeable about it. I'd have the same argument if we were talking about the scope of what people just call country, or just call jazz, though I think there's more variety in metal than there is in those genres.
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Rock & Roll starts here....
(http://30daysout.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/chuckberrypromo11.jpg)
And with lot's of practice and parties ends here
(http://www.panicpictures.net/images/celebrities/VanessaUpton/VanessaUpton001.jpg)
....then Mama took me to Grammar school
But I stopped off in the Vestibule
Everytime that bell would ring
You'd catch me playing with my ding-a-ling
My Ding-A-Ling My Ding-A-Ling I want you play with My Ding-A-Ling
My Ding-A-Ling My Ding-A-Ling I want you play with My Ding-A-Ling
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Dagnammit, too slow on the edit.
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More pictures! I'd rather look at her then be lectured on the minutia of musical differences between a bloke dressed up as a panda and somebody who sounds like the smoke 80 Woodbines a day.
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It's all too self-referential this "metal genre" stuff....
They can't really believe it can they?
Don't they ever just read the Daily Mail & have a cup of tea whilst disputing a parking ticket like regular music fans?
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It's all too self-referential this "metal genre" stuff....
They can really mean it can they?
Don't they ever just read the Daily Mail & have a cup of tea whilst disputing a parking ticket like regular music fans?
Mean what? Like I've said, most bands I deal with are very serious about their music, but they're having fun and I know of no bands who don't listen to swathes of music outwith metal, almost the same goes for fans, bar the guys who never leave their bedroom.
I do think however, that fans of "niche genres", be that extreme metal, or ragga, or drum 'n' bass or whatever, tend to be far more passionate, enthusiastic and opinionated about music than more mainstream (for want of a better word) listeners, which is how I tend to think of the majority of this forum, especially after being so disappointed reading so many posts of "nothing good has come out this year" or "I don't really listen to any new music".
I'd like to think nobody who's music I enjoy reads the Daily Mail and I'd like to think the average music fan would be intelligent enough to read a newspaper of some merit too, but I guess some might.
Of course, the differences between genres doesn't come up a great deal in my conversation from day to day, only if someone says something daft.
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all the inbreeding probably doesn't help ...
http://www.thehighwaystar.com/rosas/misc/dp-tree.html
:-)
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I can't think of anything bar Ms. Upton dressed in leather spanking my arse! Does that mean I'm bad man?
Not at all Shobet old chap! Fantastic isn't she. Certainly mellows me out when struggling with sub extreme metal genres.
In the end I give up what this one is or that one and gaze at the thighs of the most alluring woman in the world and nothing else matters.
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Slobber
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Send me to hell!!!!!
I've been a bad, bad boy..... :P
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I can't think of anything bar Ms. Upton dressed in leather spanking my arse! Does that mean I'm bad man?
Not at all Shobet old chap! Fantastic isn't she. Certainly mellows me out when struggling with sub extreme metal genres.
In the end I give up what this one is or that one and gaze at the thighs of the most alluring woman in the world and nothing else matters.
:?
Really?
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Anyone remember that guy Opprobrium 9 who used to post in here? He would drive himself crazy tying himself up in knots with metal genres and arguing about them. He too saw the way with Vanessa and now he is free and at peace.
Here's some more. She is amazing in my opinion. I've taken some photos of models when i used to take photos on the Cannonball bike run and they were gorgeous but VU is in a different league.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=285785221&page=2
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I can't think of anything bar Ms. Upton dressed in leather spanking my arse! Does that mean I'm bad man?
Not at all Shobet old chap! Fantastic isn't she. Certainly mellows me out when struggling with sub extreme metal genres.
In the end I give up what this one is or that one and gaze at the thighs of the most alluring woman in the world and nothing else matters.
:?
Really?
Would you be happier if she had a beard?
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I can't think of anything bar Ms. Upton dressed in leather spanking my arse! Does that mean I'm bad man?
Not at all Shobet old chap! Fantastic isn't she. Certainly mellows me out when struggling with sub extreme metal genres.
In the end I give up what this one is or that one and gaze at the thighs of the most alluring woman in the world and nothing else matters.
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Really?
Would you be happier if she had a beard?
I'd be happier f she was more attractive. She's not ugly by any stretch, but she's not staggeringly attractive. Certainly a long way from the most alluring woman in the world.
Even sticking within the remit of latex clad fetish type models, first off the top of my head.
(http://www.fotoplatino.com/fotografias/862_211975_dc0e768c4614c2f1a13db071b421419e.jpg)
(http://www.modelmanagement.com/blog/library/uploads/l_eb690b4bba0c43eaa54e752d0074b4e9.jpg)
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She looks too underdeveloped for my tastes but each to their own. :wink:
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With you there JM....
I need to be diciplined by a woman who can put me in my place...
And Miss Upton has those "eyes" .... so .... ahhh
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If we need tits.
(http://www.sta7s.com/Uploads/2/4393_1.jpg)
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nfe... Could you please stay on topic?
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Beat it.
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They're nice looking girls nfe but they're too arty and fussy for me. Its got to be more to the point!
She's got to have those curves on her hips too.
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Ah, that genre divide, again.
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NFE is that first one you posted Viktoria Modesta the amputee?
She's looks a bit po-faced. I still rather Ms Upton as I reckon she looks a lot dirtier.
Shall we do fetish genres now? Bagsy second skin, you can have coprophilia.
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The first one was yeah, the second is the girl who owns Jane Doe Latex and makes awesome dresses (none of which I wear personally, you understand).
I'll take feet, thanks very much.
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I'd give Ms Upton "inches... and feed her well"
See what I did there?
:P
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:lol:
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Amputees :o Hmmm..... Blood in cats vulva...amputees ...right ok.
Night! :lol:
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Well done Tom! :D
See... we're back to "classic metal" despite nfe's valiant attempts to derail this thread... :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_Lf-JhdSU
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The first one was yeah, the second is the girl who owns Jane Doe Latex and makes awesome dresses (none of which I wear personally, you understand).
I'll take feet, thanks very much.
Here you go then.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QVW98iGMXHI/Srux2duWSyI/AAAAAAAAJco/Uh0mJU6V9mI/s400/toefungus.jpg)
And I'm sure you'd look terribly attractive in a latex dress, beard 'n' all. From now on you'll always be Sandra to me.
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Stop that.
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:lol: :lol: This thread is is classic BKP humour!
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:lol: :lol: This thread is is classic BKP humour!
Got that right...
(http://bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mr-hand-mrs-ass-mrs-knee-mr-foot.jpg)
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These following links are NSFW.
I don't know why but that reminded me of this thread that unfortunately was deleted a couple of years ago. Somebody - bless them - created a mini site about it. http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Got_my_girlfriend_to_model_for_my_car
With the first set of forum pages archived here - http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/1/19/Got_my_girlfriend_to_model_for_my_car_(PICS)_-_Bodybuilding.com_Forums.jpg. She's a looker.
Can we all agree that she's not very metal?
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Yeah I've seen that before :lol:. The poor guy. And girl, right enough.
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I do think however, that fans of "niche genres", be that extreme metal, or ragga, or drum 'n' bass or whatever, tend to be far more passionate, enthusiastic and opinionated about music than more mainstream (for want of a better word) listeners, which is how I tend to think of the majority of this forum, especially after being so disappointed reading so many posts of "nothing good has come out this year" or "I don't really listen to any new music".
I feel like I (along with many others) am being damned as "mainstream", which I find a bit insulting. I was listening to what we then called "metal" 30 years ago. Back then we had a few heavy bands but we also had funny little bands with poppy tunes and keyboard players.... we still called them "metal". The singers (even the "heavy" ones) could sing, hardly anyone dressed up in black or covered themselves in fake blood or oh-so-scary corpse paint. It didn't make it any less of a "niche genre".
Don't tell me I'm not passionate about music just because I like tunes you can sing in the shower. Because I don't understand the appeal of death grunts or never-ending 100mph drumming.
I'm not accusing you personally, but I believe some people are into "extreme" music just because it is extreme. They want to be as "underground" and elitist as they possibly can, the more unlistenable the better. They don't actually give a shite about the music.
As for "nothing good has come out this year" and "I don't really listen to any new music"..... try being 45. It gets harder to keep up. Young bands start to look like self-important overgrown babies with ridiculous hair and stupid key chains dangling out of their hanging-round-the-arse jeans. Tattooed, fat 35-year-olds in smelly t-shirts and bullet belts, clutching bottles of JD, don't look hard or cool, they look like immature tits. Everything begins to sound like something you've heard before.
It'll happen to you one day. Just wait.
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Sorry for making the thread all serious.
Just for the record, I think the models nfe posted look infinitely better than that Upton slapper.
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Not really, no. I'm just a fan of the idea of genres because it make's things far easier to describe quickly, and the "it all sounds alike anyway" attitude annoys me, since it's just naive at best, and willfully ignorant or deliberately condescending otherwise.
agreed. while i would agree that some people (especially mainstream newspaper music critics) have an almost OCD approach to genre-making (not to mention, getting them wrong more often than not :lol: ), having genres is a good idea as long as you don't get too precious with them or use them as a means of alienating other people who aren't so "tr00". For example, if i say, "I like 80s metal, any suggestions for other stuff or genres I might like?", I'm not really likely to appreciate an answer along the lines of, "It's all music, d00d!"...
:)
that being said, i agree with what philly's saying too. And just because, for example, megadeth isn't as heavy as some of the more modern stuff, doesn't mean it's not metal. And i've seen, for example, ac/dc, or guns n roses referred to as metal in recent newspapers, or by people the same age as me. Problem is, much like politics, everyone (ok, almost everyone) considers themselves to be centrists. if you normally listen to necophagist, then metallica probably doesn't seem to heavy. If you normally listen to joe mcelderry, then the shadows are probably metal.
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I do think however, that fans of "niche genres", be that extreme metal, or ragga, or drum 'n' bass or whatever, tend to be far more passionate, enthusiastic and opinionated about music than more mainstream (for want of a better word) listeners, which is how I tend to think of the majority of this forum, especially after being so disappointed reading so many posts of "nothing good has come out this year" or "I don't really listen to any new music".
I feel like I (along with many others) am being damned as "mainstream", which I find a bit insulting.
Mainstream isn't the word I'd have chosen if I could of something that articulates what I think better, but I can't. Nor do I intend it as an insult at all.
Don't tell me I'm not passionate about music just because I like tunes you can sing in the shower. Because I don't understand the appeal of death grunts or never-ending 100mph drumming.
I did make a point of making it cross genre.
I'm not accusing you personally, but I believe some people are into "extreme" music just because it is extreme. They want to be as "underground" and elitist as they possibly can, the more unlistenable the better. They don't actually give a shiteee about the music.
Undoubtedly, I tend to find most of them jump off to another trend pretty quickly though. Sadly there are some who manage to keep it up well into their adulthood. The chap in thread I posted from the Terrorizer forum, for instance.
As for "nothing good has come out this year" and "I don't really listen to any new music"..... try being 45. It gets harder to keep up. Young bands start to look like self-important overgrown babies with ridiculous hair and stupid key chains dangling out of their hanging-round-the-arse jeans. Tattooed, fat 35-year-olds in smelly t-shirts and bullet belts, clutching bottles of JD, don't look hard or cool, they look like immature tits. Everything begins to sound like something you've heard before.
It'll happen to you one day. Just wait.
I just think that if you want to find new music that interests you, you will. One of the organisers of my festivals is a 47 year old mother of four and grandmother of three who owns her own business and organises two festivals, but she constantly finds new music to interest her simply via magazines and the net.
For what it's worth, the more extreme the music, the less smelly t shirts and bullet belts you see, and, oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:
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I just think that if you want to find new music that interests you, you will.
I don't disagree. I haven't turned my back on it. I still read magazines, I still investigate new stuff, I still listen to "my" old bands, I also listen to existing music I missed first time round. But there's less brand-new music that really interests me, that's just the way it is. Maybe 1 or 2 albums a year, whereas once it was 20 or 30.
For what it's worth, the more extreme the music................... the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:
Now that I find very hard to believe. I always thought most gig-going girls were munters. But maybe if I was 20 years younger I'd see where you're coming from. :lol:
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For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:
Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it.. :lol: :lol:
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For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:
Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it.. :lol: :lol:
true, i was gonna say... have you heard of juggalettes?
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Mainstream isn't the word I'd have chosen if I could of something that articulate what I think better, but I can't. Nor do I intend it as an insult at all.
WTF? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:
Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it.. :lol: :lol:
true, i was gonna say... have you heard of juggalettes?
Are they something to do with Insane Clown Posse? :P
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oooooh yes! female juggalos!
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Mainstream isn't the word I'd have chosen if I could of something that articulates what I think better, but I can't. Nor do I intend it as an insult at all.
WTF? :lol: :lol: :lol:
As opposed to mainstream, maybe I should have said music that doesn't takes as much deliberate effort to discover, or music that isn't strictly speaking mainstream, but is still covered by the mainstream media. Better? I know what I mean :lol:
oooooh yes! female juggalos!
Good grief.
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oooooh yes! female juggalos!
Blimey, that must've been sitting in some dim corner of my memory banks since my Kerrang!-reading days. :lol:
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As opposed to mainstream, maybe I should have said music that doesn't takes as much deliberate effort to discover, or music that isn't strictly speaking mainstream, but is still covered by the mainstream media. Better? I know what I mean :lol:
Again, we have all have our own ideas of what's well-known or easily discovered.
I'll concede that the music I listen to is much more "mainstream" than the music you listen to, by both our definitions. But.... I work with a 21 year old and a 26 year old who are by no means clueless about music - yet they've never heard of nearly all the bands I like! To them, I'm an obscurist - Winger might as well be Anaal Nathrakh. :lol:
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Sorry for making the thread all serious.
Just for the record, I think the models nfe posted look infinitely better than that Upton slapper.
I can't beliveve I've missed all this craziness?
Where have i been?
Oh, and for the record...I too was curious what nfe would consider an attractive woman :P
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As opposed to mainstream, maybe I should have said music that doesn't takes as much deliberate effort to discover, or music that isn't strictly speaking mainstream, but is still covered by the mainstream media. Better? I know what I mean :lol:
Again, we have all have our own ideas of what's well-known or easily discovered.
I'll concede that the music I listen to is much more "mainstream" than the music you listen to, by both our definitions. But.... I work with a 21 year old and a 26 year old who are by no means clueless about music - yet they've never heard of nearly all the bands I like! To them, I'm an obscurist - Winger might as well be Anaal Nathrakh. :lol:
This is something I was thinking about today. Trying to sell the rock music i'm into, which is pretty normal to everyone in here, to others who don't listen to rock or metal is pretty hard. If I tried to get someone into any of the extreme versions of metal would probably horrify them.
You no like Vanessa Philly? Why no you like? Got to love a good old London slut Philly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZvfs9VRJg
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For what it's worth, the more extreme the music ... oddly, the more attractive the female fanbase get. :lol:
Look, I've been very reasonable so far but now you're just talking sh!t and you know it.. :lol: :lol:
I went to see Motley Crue in the 80s and they had chicks like Vanessa Upton there! I'm not having any of it that extreme metal gigs have any decent looking women there, if any at all. And if there are they probably have dead maggots in their fannys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18aD3f7_VRI
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You no like Vanessa Philly? Why no you like? Got to love a good old London slut Philly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZvfs9VRJg
I don't want to sound all Daily Express, Johnny, or like the judge in that Jeffrey Archer trial ("Has she elegance? Has she fragrance?" :roll: ).....
....but "good old London slut" is the problem... she just looks like a skanky old tart to me. She might as well be dressing up in a schoolgirl uniform and all that bollocks (and no doubt she does!).
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shes still a 1 on the binary scale.
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You no like Vanessa Philly? Why no you like? Got to love a good old London slut Philly!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgZvfs9VRJg
I don't want to sound all Daily Express, Johnny, or like the judge in that Jeffrey Archer trial ("Has she elegance? Has she fragrance?" :roll: ).....
....but "good old London slut" is the problem... she just looks like a skanky old tart to me. She might as well be dressing up in a schoolgirl uniform and all that bollocks (and no doubt she does!).
Well that's how she gets paid philly by dressing up. I'm sure she can be elegant but it probably doesn't pay the rent!
It's just an image. I think it goes well with a good 80s rock band! Also more alluring than a girl with missing limbs.
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shes still a 1 on the binary scale.
1 more than a 0 then.
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Actually Johnny I have all the albums by Dead Maggots in their fannys .
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shes still a 1 on the binary scale.
1 more than a 0 then.
the binary scale only has 1 and 0
im not into this dead maggot talk.
i prefer real electro-doom-thrash-raga
like The Slain Popstar Laid Out On A Monolith At Stonehenge
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Actually Johnny I have all the albums by Dead Maggots in their fannys .
If i post you some blank cds could you burn them for me? :lol:
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Actually Johnny I have all the albums by Dead Maggots in their fannys .
If i post you some blank cds could you burn them for me? :lol:
I heard they stink.
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Actually Johnny I have all the albums by Dead Maggots in their fannys .
If i post you some blank cds could you burn them for me? :lol:
I heard they stink.
The smellier the better though, surely? :? :lol:
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I'll concede that the music I listen to is much more "mainstream" than the music you listen to, by both our definitions. But.... I work with a 21 year old and a 26 year old who are by no means clueless about music - yet they've never heard of nearly all the bands I like! To them, I'm an obscurist - Winger might as well be Anaal Nathrakh. :lol:
exactly. as i said earlier, you always judge it by your own personal experience and prejudices. If you consider the objective meaning of "mainstream", then i doubt any of us on here are mainstream. some are doubtless less mainstream than others, but nobody is mainstream...
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All I have in my head now are the lyrics from Sweaty Betty (http://www.macclads.co.uk/hectic_house/lyrics/lyrics_alpha/sweat.html) by the Macc Lads.
Obligatory youtub link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8bAJsjcdXA&feature=related
I nearly ran the singer over in my car. He's a historian and fatter these days. The great big poof!
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I'll concede that the music I listen to is much more "mainstream" than the music you listen to, by both our definitions. But.... I work with a 21 year old and a 26 year old who are by no means clueless about music - yet they've never heard of nearly all the bands I like! To them, I'm an obscurist - Winger might as well be Anaal Nathrakh. :lol:
exactly. as i said earlier, you always judge it by your own personal experience and prejudices. If you consider the objective meaning of "mainstream", then i doubt any of us on here are mainstream. some are doubtless less mainstream than others, but nobody is mainstream...
Oh absolutely, various corners of the internet deride even the more obscure of the two festivals I'm involved in as mainstream (deathfest, the biggest names at which were Repulsion, Vader, Origin, Leng Tch'e, Akerc--ke...) which is obviously ludicrous. But I guess I kinda think of "mainstream" as being very accesible to a mainstream audience, rather than actually well known to them, not many folks in their teens who only listen to chart hits are going to be familiar with Glen Miller or Boston, but they'll likely find them perfectly enjoyable, less so with Alan Holdsworth and George Antheil. I think of Creed as a mainstream band for instance, regardless of the fact that not that many people in the UK, (in major music terms) know who they are.
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ah, ok, yeah, i know what you mean. I guess a lot of the stuff I listen to is fairly mainstream if you're using that definition (classic rock and the like), but then again, I can't see too much of the mainstream liking, say, vinnie moore, eric johnson or guthrie govan (when he's not playing with mr rascal) either. I just like the stuff I like, and just because a mainstream audience might like it too, it doesn't make it any less valid (not that that's what you're saying, just pointing it out).
regarding the bands you mentioned at those festivals, i think i might have heard of vader. :lol:
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(http://iplot.typepad.com/iplot/images/2008/04/18/boredom.jpg)
and so I'm off to self entertain whilst imagining various scenarios involving myself and Ms Upton in compromising situations involving latex, a dildo and some lube. ;)
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and so I'm off to self entertain whilst imagining various scenarios involving myself and Ms Upton in compromising situations involving latex, a dildo and some lube. ;)
You're the bottom and she's the top, right?
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(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/fladj11/Pop%20Culture%20Pics/BellyButtonTattoo.jpg)
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and so I'm off to self entertain whilst imagining various scenarios involving myself and Ms Upton in compromising situations involving latex, a dildo and some lube. ;)
You're the bottom and she's the top, right?
The situation is fluid.
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and so I'm off to self entertain whilst imagining various scenarios involving myself and Ms Upton in compromising situations involving latex, a dildo and some lube. ;)
You're the bottom and she's the top, right?
The situation is fluid.
Good man Mr shobet... Don't fall foul of nfe's need for pedantic categorisation!
If it feels good... DO IT! :lol: