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Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: FELINEGUITARS on July 13, 2010, 04:59:55 PM

Title: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on July 13, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
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Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: gwEm on July 13, 2010, 05:07:39 PM
yes - thats a fine guitar  :D i read somewhere original '67s are meant to be rarer than korina '58s

actually, its my birthday tomorrow. i wonder if i'll get one of these in the post:

(http://www.medallionflyingv.com/medallionv111body.jpg)
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: gwEm on July 13, 2010, 05:13:26 PM
thats a medallion V - I've not seen one on the market for a while, but I reckon its 7 grands worth at least... you see i have more modest tastes :lol: no way i have 7 grand to blow though!
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: AndyR on July 13, 2010, 05:52:23 PM
I'd want a discount on the 68 - it hasn't got any strings!
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: gwEm on July 13, 2010, 05:57:06 PM
I'd want a discount on the 68 - it hasn't got any strings!

it does on some of pics.

apparantly the 60s ones have a single piece mahogany body - seems like it from the pics. The volute and neck joint look good too.

the start price is quite fair i think

Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: AndyR on July 13, 2010, 06:01:04 PM
You're starting to weaken :lol:

gas... Gas... GAS!
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: gwEm on July 13, 2010, 06:06:55 PM
want to go timeshares in a 60s V then Andy? ;)

it /is/ a work of art - but i rather get a 70s one with stoptail, 2 piece 'keyhole' body, dumpy headstock, and cathedral sized volute.. have a chance of affording one of those too (maybe!)
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: Philly Q on July 13, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
I was reading in Guitar & Bass last night that the vintage guitar market hasn't proved recession-proof and has taken a bit of a nosedive.  Apparently guitars are going for up to 50% less than they were a few years ago.

So if you can just rustle up $7,500, it might be worth making an offer.....  :P
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: gwEm on July 13, 2010, 06:48:01 PM
I was reading in Guitar & Bass last night that the vintage guitar market hasn't proved recession-proof and has taken a bit of a nosedive.  Apparently guitars are going for up to 50% less than they were a few years ago.

So if you can just rustle up $7,500, it might be worth making an offer.....  :P

that would be a massive bargain..(!) There something like 150 of these in existence.

edit:
Just think I could rip off the maestro, whack on a stop tail, strip the neck, uncover the pickups, fit pickup rings, and cane 'victim of changes'
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: AndyR on July 13, 2010, 07:27:02 PM
:lol:

That's the spirit, we don't need any of this reverent "but it's a vintage guitar" sh1t round here - I can lend you some Nitromors as well if you want :lol:
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: Alex on July 14, 2010, 12:04:48 AM
That trem looks like it really shouldn't be touched if you want the axe to remain in tune...

No matter how old it is... that would ruin any deal for me.
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: Roobubba on July 14, 2010, 08:16:44 AM
That trem looks like it really shouldn't be touched if you want the axe to remain in tune...

No matter how old it is... that would ruin any deal for me.

well, according to the vendor:

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Guitar staying tune pretty good.

FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS for a guitar that won't stay in tune????

I think I'm maybe missing the point. :)
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: Tellboy on July 14, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
That trem looks like it really shouldn't be touched if you want the axe to remain in tune...

No matter how old it is... that would ruin any deal for me.

I've got the same trem (vibrola) on my SG - never had any tuning problems with it but you can only really expect a polite 'wobble' out of it - no dive bombing. I did get problems with the top three unwound strings breaking at the end ball joint where they were held in the vibrola and used to wind some insulation tape around them. I've seen Andy Powell from Wishbone Ash several times with his original 67 V and he had a great sound - he prefered the Vibrola sounding Vs over the hardtails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeY9IRnVmk8&a=5d3yY4kaysA&playnext_from=ML (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeY9IRnVmk8&a=5d3yY4kaysA&playnext_from=ML)
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: AndyR on July 14, 2010, 12:20:02 PM
Ah! Thanks Roo, that explains my earlier confusion over strings.

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Guitar staying tune pretty good (when in no-string mode).

Seriously though, Alex (or anyone else), do you know something about short Maestro Vibrolos that I don't yet?

I'm getting quite good now at getting vintage strat trems to stay reasonably in tune even with quite vigorous wangery...

And I'm now thinking my Explorer wants a short Maestro - watch footage of Lynyrd Skynyrd in 1975 or so, Allen Collins's Explorer seems to hold its tuning OK under what I'd term "vigorous wangery".

On the Gibson forums, some nice chap was telling me that the Maestro is very good at "faster vibrato" than you can achieve with your left hand - that seems to be what Allen Collins used it for (and it's one of the things I use a strat trem for now).

And, oh yeah, amongst all the excitement, I forgot to answer this last night:

want to go timeshares in a 60s V then Andy? ;)

prolly not, old chap :lol:

EDIT: Ah, Tellboy to the rescue on the vibrola subject while I was writing - many thanks :D
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: Tellboy on July 14, 2010, 12:59:45 PM
(http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af175/Tellboy/1963%20Gibson%20SG%20Standard/Vibrola.jpg)


Here's the long vibrola from my SG. The only difference with the long vibrola was the added tailpiece which was used to fix the Lyre cover to hide the fixing screws and make it look more finished. The actual operating bit was very crude - just a piece of flat semi-coiled metal which the walrus tooth arm operated by 'rolling' it on the guitar body.

Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: HTH AMPS on July 14, 2010, 01:13:01 PM
I was reading in Guitar & Bass last night that the vintage guitar market hasn't proved recession-proof and has taken a bit of a nosedive.  Apparently guitars are going for up to 50% less than they were a few years ago.

So if you can just rustle up $7,500, it might be worth making an offer.....  :P

that would be a massive bargain..(!) There something like 150 of these in existence.

edit:
Just think I could rip off the maestro, whack on a stop tail, strip the neck, uncover the pickups, fit pickup rings, and cane 'victim of changes'

ahh, balls!!! - you beat me to it, though I was going to suggest EMGs and a Kahler (plus a rout on the back for the battery compartment).  plus, those Vee-edges are too round, I'd chisel those to a sharp point like a Jackson - much better  :lol:
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: AndyR on July 14, 2010, 01:34:53 PM
Thanks for that Tellboy - suddenly I understand how the vibrola works, sounds good to me :D

So, as long as it's installed ok so that it "returns" to the same place consistently, it's all the standard stuff for tuning stability - strings installed well on the tuners, nut slots attended to, and so on.

The only new issues for me would be strings over the T-O-M bridge. The jury seems to be undecided (on the old interweb) as to whether roller saddles are a must-have or not. At the moment I'm leaning towards well-maintained and lubricated standard saddles (mine are always lubricated with 3-in-1 anyway as a vague string-protection against me and my acid sweat).

How soon I do it depends on our good friends at Vibramate - they're working on a short-maestro version of the no-drill solution they've already done for Bigsby trems. I understand the Vibramate plate raises the trem higher off the body than usual, but that this actually appears to be a good thing to users who've installed it and who also have experience of body mounted Bigsbys.

No release date yet, but I'm guessing weeks/months rather than years. So I'm going to go for the no drill option first to see if I have a use for a vibrola before digging holes in my geetar...
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: WezV on July 14, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
why not email them andy - it may be that they have a few ready  and need more test pilots
Title: Re: If gwEm had money to burn
Post by: AndyR on July 14, 2010, 07:06:25 PM
why not email them andy - it may be that they have a few ready  and need more test pilots

Already done :D - several days ago - no reply yet though...

I found quite a bit of interest on a Gibson forum - it was actually that lot who alerted me to it - so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they've had a few "when's it ready then?!?!?!" enquiries.