Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: Roobubba on October 28, 2010, 11:19:45 AM
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http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_94
Woo!!!
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the manhattan is finally on there too!
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Aye, and Tim has just put up a couple of official clips of the Aftermath:
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22574.0 ( 8) )
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22576.0
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Sweeeet! (and congrats on getting your song up as an official demo!) :)
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& congrats/thanks to MDV for
a) coming up with the idea
b) the name :)
I guess that means I'm one of half a dozen of so folk that got one before it was released... :)
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I missed out on reading about the spec.
no doubt it will be up on the site soon.
anyone want to enlighten me? I'm pretty tempted by those clips.
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I missed out on reading about the spec.
no doubt it will be up on the site soon.
anyone want to enlighten me? I'm pretty tempted by those clips.
Mine is 15.6k, Ceramic, double screw (or allen) pole.
Try here (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=19791.0) for the history/background (or just search for posts containing 'Aftermath' by MDV)
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cheers. i did try the search but than i got impatient trying to sift through result. I didn't think to only search MDV's posts though
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I missed out on reading about the spec.
no doubt it will be up on the site soon.
anyone want to enlighten me? I'm pretty tempted by those clips.
Ceramic magnet, 3 of them, one main huge one, 2 flanking. 15k, output somewhere between nailbomb and painkiller. Native double screw pole design, like the warpig.
Very aggressive sound, tightest pickup Ive ever played through, similar mid level to a PK but without the high mid spike and it feels a little darker and snarlier and growlier to play through. Not a terribly large amount of bass; the double screw pole is there to bring the low end up to a balanced level on a bright wind, rather than add more for a really heavy sound like the pig. Ultra-precise, very high attack, lots of dynamics preservation (not very compressed) so sounds bigger and in your face than the MM and C-Pig.
Cheers for the shout Antag (nice for my involvement, such that it was, to be remembered :)), but I have to clarify; I didnt come up with it; I was after a pickup for the Aurora, and Tim suggested I try this nameless new pickup he's working on for his own band, designed for fast moderm metal rhythm, suspects I'd like it and wants a bit of feedback on the design. I tried it, my feedback was 'thats awesome, get it out now! (and here we are more than a year later). Tim expected that it would become a new pickup in the lineup but it wasnt ready yet (the neck wasnt finished at that time and he hadnt gig tested it yet) so had no trouble with me mentioning it way back then as a one-off custom made for me (which it was as things were with it then, back in late 2009) but we kept it on the quiet for a while at least that it was going to be a fully available proper pickup in the lineup.
I named it in the spirit of BK naming; for the vibe rather than the exact tone, and the vibe to me was Origin, Antithesis, The Aftermath; savage, aggressive, fast, was adapted for very complex metal due to ultra-tightness and precision.
So there you go; the (main bits of the) history of the aftermath so far as I saw it
I think the number of people that got one pre-release was 5.
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ooooh, that implies that there's now an Aftermath neck available. Wonder what it's like?
(FWIW, I paired mine with a VHII neck & am really pleased with it)
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ooooh, that implies that there's now an Aftermath neck available. Wonder what it's like?
(FWIW, I paired mine with a VHII neck & am really pleased with it)
It's 11kΩ, ceramic mag. Very interesting pickup!
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It is, yes.
I have mine with the HD in the aurora and with a PK in the MDV602. It sits very happily with both, and I really like both necks so I have no great need to try the aftermath neck. But it is out, yes.
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i'm not too happy with the bridge MM in my ibanez RGA, but double screw pole means that i can't just send it and have it rewound as an AM (if anyone else will ever abbreviate the Aftermath with AM i want the copyright! :))... that's not good.
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i would very much like to try one but im nervous about it for 2 reasons 1) i dont play metal at all and am worried it would be a little to tight/modern voiced for me and 2)ceramic mags tend to sound bland and clinical to me specifically the high end. hows the treble response? smooth and organic or what one would expect from a ceramic?
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It doesnt sound too impressive to me.
very clinical, quite emg sounding and not very toneful.
I'll wait until more clips appear though.
also maybe its because i'm not in a very metal mood today
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The cleans are much better than one typically expects even from BK ceramics (which are typically better than 'normal' in my experience)
The top end leans toward smooth and organic rather than sharp and piercing. Theres rather a lot of it though; its a bright and middy pickup, unless in a dark/bassy guitar.
Which reminds me, as an aside, its the MOST variable BK with respect guitar *that I've used* (I've only used crawler and up in output, and only used the crawler in one guitar so it doesnt count for this).
I currently have it in 2 guitars (the legras), but have tried it in 4:
Both legras, acoustically, have quite a bit (but not an overbearing amount) of low end thats very tight, fat mids and lots and lots of attack in the top end (without the acutal magnitude of the top end being that large). They differ in sound, but are closer to each other than they are to pretty much anything else I've played.
Legra MDV602:
Swamp ash body, mahogany/maple/wanut/maple/mahogany neck, ebony board, schaller 456:
Huge, tight low end, lots of top end attack, thick low mids bias with the AM bridge.
Legra Aurora:
Dark Red Meranti/maple/walnut/maple/DRM through, DRM and maple laminate wings, schaller Hannes.
With the AM: Equally huge, and(/but) tight low end, slightly more top end attack, more mid bias than the 602
Jackson SLSMG
Mahgonay through, mahogany wings, ebony board.
Note the above two guitars are moderately similar acoustically, but here we've lost the maple and the swamp ash/swamp-ash-like top end of the DRM, and the guitar is acoustically very bassy with enough clarity in the top end to balance the weight of the low end.
With the AM; tight, thick grind with LOTS of low mids and enough top end to cut through easily, but nothing like the attack of the top from the legras. This guitar currently has a c-bomb in it that sounds thin by comparison, without having any greater clarity than the aftermath in it had. I'd really like to put an AM back in this, and will get round to it at some point; it was a great sound (but it worked better in the legras than the C-Bomb did).
Jackson DX1:
Maple neck, rosewood board, basswood body, Gotoh FR.
Acoustically much less low end and much more mid emphasis than the above three gutiars and theres the trem, of course...unsurprisingly...
With the AM; enough low end comes through to ballance out the rest of the spectrum, but its pretty light on the low end front, MASSIVE midgrange grind, lots of highs but much twangier rather than attacking (trem, see).
i.e. in all cases it let the gutiar sound like the guitar sounds like acoustically, filtered through its ultra-tight, aggressive, percussive character.
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The cleans are much better than one typically expects even from BK ceramics (which are typically better than 'normal' in my experience)
The top end leans toward smooth and organic rather than sharp and piercing. Theres rather a lot of it though; its a bright and middy pickup, unless in a dark/bassy guitar.
Which reminds me, as an aside, its the MOST variable BK with respect guitar *that I've used* (I've only used crawler and up in output, and only used the crawler in one guitar so it doesnt count for this).
I currently have it in 2 guitars (the legras), but have tried it in 4:
Both legras, acoustically, have quite a bit (but not an overbearing amount) of low end thats very tight, fat mids and lots and lots of attack in the top end (without the acutal magnitude of the top end being that large). They differ in sound, but are closer to each other than they are to pretty much anything else I've played.
Legra MDV602:
Swamp ash body, mahogany/maple/wanut/maple/mahogany neck, ebony board, schaller 456:
Huge, tight low end, lots of top end attack, thick low mids bias with the AM bridge.
Legra Aurora:
Dark Red Meranti/maple/walnut/maple/DRM through, DRM and maple laminate wings, schaller Hannes.
With the AM: Equally huge, and(/but) tight low end, slightly more top end attack, more mid bias than the 602
Jackson SLSMG
Mahgonay through, mahogany wings, ebony board.
Note the above two guitars are moderately similar acoustically, but here we've lost the maple and the swamp ash/swamp-ash-like top end of the DRM, and the guitar is acoustically very bassy with enough clarity in the top end to balance the weight of the low end.
With the AM; tight, thick grind with LOTS of low mids and enough top end to cut through easily, but nothing like the attack of the top from the legras. This guitar currently has a c-bomb in it that sounds thin by comparison, without having any greater clarity than the aftermath in it had. I'd really like to put an AM back in this, and will get round to it at some point; it was a great sound (but it worked better in the legras than the C-Bomb did).
Jackson DX1:
Maple neck, rosewood board, basswood body, Gotoh FR.
Acoustically much less low end and much more mid emphasis than the above three gutiars and theres the trem, of course...unsurprisingly...
With the AM; enough low end comes through to ballance out the rest of the spectrum, but its pretty light on the low end front, MASSIVE midgrange grind, lots of highs but much twangier rather than attacking (trem, see).
i.e. in all cases it let the gutiar sound like the guitar sounds like acoustically, filtered through its ultra-tight, aggressive, percussive character.
alright. not for me. thanks for the breakdown!
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I suspect that it may be another pickup that like the Nailbomb is absolutely brilliant for a huge number of people but isn't for me or my own playing choices
I would like to play it in a few of my own guitars and get a better perspective on it though
I may get some for my Feline Pantera which has a swamp-ash body and try it out there.
I can see why it works for players like Nolly, Misha, Antag and MDV and wouldn't hesitate to suggest it to players who seek similar styles tonewise.
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This is VERY relevant to my interests.
so, how's it match the growl of a MM in Bb, and you say it's tighter?
and how's the neck pickup sound like?
need something for the schecter loomis that i'm getting somewhere around chrismas ... so, it's either this or the MM/CS combo
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Match the growl?
It far exceeds the growl of a miracle man.
It thrives in low tunings. I play mine in drop B and c# standard, and have played them in C/drop A# with no trouble. It would do a really good job of nevermore too.
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that is what i wanted to hear :D
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Good good.
And one more thing, for the last time ;)
Its
The
TightEST
BK.
And therefore a very good candidate for tightest pickup outright, but I havent played the ALL so I cant say.
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the manhattan is finally on there too!
And not one, but two, new Blackguard Tele sets (Flat '52 and '68 Stagger)! I must admit I'm a bit overwhelmed by the choice of Tele pickups now....
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Aftermath is a bit too scary for me, but it's exciting to see a brand new(ish!) model in the shop.
The lead bit in your clip reminded me of Chris Poland, Nolly (hope that's not insulting, it's not meant to be!).
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Re. the new Tele sets, I think the idea is that the Blackguard series are strictly vintage-accurate so that owners of vintage instruments in need of replacement pickups can be sure that they're getting exactly the "right" pickup for the job. Of course, fans of a specific era Teles can get in on the action by dropping a set of authentic pickups in their modern instruments.
They've actually been available for a while but not publicly advertised, I believe.
As for how they sound compared with one another I'll admit to having very little clue. All I know is that the very first Broadcaster pickups were rather hot beasts, but that's the Flat '50 set that has been available for some time already.
Aftermath is a bit too scary for me, but it's exciting to see a brand new(ish!) model in the shop.
The lead bit in your clip reminded me of Chris Poland, Nolly (hope that's not insulting, it's not meant to be!).
Not at all insulting, Chris Poland is a bit of a beast! It was intended to be more the lines of Marty Friedman, with a bit of Mike Ammott in there too..
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i cant't help myself being dangerously curious about the AM, even if i'm not a Painkiller fan and have the slight suspect that it falls in the same "dry and tight" category...
how do you think it could sound in a basswood Ibanez RG?
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i cant't help myself being dangerously curious about the AM, even if i'm not a Painkiller fan and have the slight suspect that it falls in the same "dry and tight" category...
how do you think it could sound in a basswood Ibanez RG?
It would likely be quite similar to how it was in my jackson; tight but not terribly great low end, lots of grinding mids, lots of top end attack.
If you dont like the 'dry and tight' thing then it might not be for you. Its very 'dry and tight'.
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i cant't help myself being dangerously curious about the AM, even if i'm not a Painkiller fan and have the slight suspect that it falls in the same "dry and tight" category...
how do you think it could sound in a basswood Ibanez RG?
It would likely be quite similar to how it was in my jackson; tight but not terribly great low end, lots of grinding mids, lots of top end attack.
If you dont like the 'dry and tight' thing then it might not be for you. Its very 'dry and tight'.
not that i don't like tight pickups (even if they're generally tighter than my playing... :(), but what i don't like in bridge PK is the overall dryiness, it seems to cut every room between the amp and my ears. i remember you saying that the AM sounds much less dry and "direct" than the PK, some month ago...
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Its doesnt have the high mid spike that the PK does, which I find 'clicky' and 'stabby', while still having as much note definition in the top end.
I've never mentioned it being 'dry' or 'wet'; or its very unlikelyl they're words I normally reserve for amps (for whatever reason) and dont descrive pickups in those terms, but as I understand them I think you'd think its dry, and likley rather direct. Do you know where I said that? I may be able to explain myself if I see what I wrote.
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Its doesnt have the high mid spike that the PK does, which I find 'clicky' and 'stabby', while still having as much note definition in the top end.
I've never mentioned it being 'dry' or 'wet'; or its very unlikelyl they're words I normally reserve for amps (for whatever reason) and dont descrive pickups in those terms, but as I understand them I think you'd think its dry, and likley rather direct. Do you know where I said that? I may be able to explain myself if I see what I wrote.
i believe it was in your NGD post about the aurora... i said that the PK sounded too "dry" (that's not a word i usually use for pickups but it's the best way to describe my impression of extremely direct "inyourfaceness" of the PK) and you answered that you could understand why i thought it and that the AM wasn't affected by the same problem.
sort of...
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Just tracked down and scanned that thread for your posts; didnt find you mention the aftermath there.
I do recall you asking about it, but I dont remember where or what...
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Out of curiosity, has anyone emailed Origin about it?
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Nope. Not me anyway.
Its just a word, with a well established dictionary meaning. And besides, the proper name for the pickup is 'the aftermath humbucker'.
They own the track called 'The Aftermath', musically, not the word.
Unless you mean that they may like to use the pickup. In which case I suggest someone get onto paul ryan immediately, because I suspect he'd rather like it.
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Yes I meant the latter. Could only be a bonus to have the guys who wrote the track from which it gets it's name playing it. And it's a nice thing to tell someone. Respected brand has new model named after one of your tunes.
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Indeed.
Got an email address? Best I can find is their management.
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I've only dealt through their agent I'm afraid, mate.
Bet they run their own myspace page, though.
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Hmmm. Tried posting a message in the hopes that it would allow a guest to do so. It wont, and I dont want to create an account to do it.
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Awesome news, glad that I can start officially getting orders in for these! I'm excited to get one in one of my own 7-strings as well.
PS: Origin is amazing. Hour of Penance would probably like this pickup too.
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Awesome news, glad that I can start officially getting orders in for these! I'm excited to get one in one of my own 7-strings as well.
PS: Origin is amazing. Hour of Penance would probably like this pickup too.
If this is Nick, sorry about the confusion caused back when I first put a clip out. Didnt expect anyone to lose sales off it.
Yes origin are amazing.
Never heard of Hour of Penance. Listening to their myspace now. $%&#ing love it.
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Awesome news, glad that I can start officially getting orders in for these! I'm excited to get one in one of my own 7-strings as well.
PS: Origin is amazing. Hour of Penance would probably like this pickup too.
If this is Nick, sorry about the confusion caused back when I first put a clip out. Didnt expect anyone to lose sales off it.
Yes origin are amazing.
Never heard of Hour of Penance. Listening to their myspace now. $%&#ing love it.
Yes this is Nick. It's all good man! And YES, Hour Of Penance is easily the most brutal band to ever exist. Their album Paradogma is ridiculous :)
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Cool.
Ordered paradogma after 2 of the myspace tracks without hesitation and with a big silly grin. Been ages since I got some new music I really liked.
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Cool.
Ordered paradogma after 2 of the myspace tracks without hesitation and with a big silly grin. Been ages since I got some new music I really liked.
Nicely done man, I'm glad I could enlighten you to the triumph that is Hour of Penance! Apart from Nile and Behemoth they're my favorite death metal bands by far. Also recommended: Fleshgod Apocalypse (you're welcome in advance! ;)).
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Listening....'spretty good but its not taken me like Penance did. Any particular album you'd recommend for me?
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Listening....'spretty good but its not taken me like Penance did. Any particular album you'd recommend for me?
The drummer for Hour of Penance and Fleshgod Apocalypse are the same guy, so I figured you may like both. I love the album by FA entitled 'Oracles'. Their 'Mafia' EP is cool also. If you're an AT THE GATES fan, they have an insanely brutal cover of "Blinded By Fear" on the EP.
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Thanks, I'll check out Oracles.
Not really, no. Never got into the gothenberg thing.
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Thanks, I'll check out Oracles.
Not really, no. Never got into the gothenberg thing.
Fair enough man :) I'm not a huge gothenberg fan either, although I love Arch Enemy and old In Flames. Dark Tranquility has their moments as well. Anyways sorry for derailing this thread... yay Aftermath!
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Awesome news, glad that I can start officially getting orders in for these! I'm excited to get one in one of my own 7-strings as well.
You'll have to give us the low-down when you get em...
I'm still running the junk stock pups in my s7320 (which is one of the reasons I don't use it very often :lol:)
Pretty sure the aftermath will my next bkp.
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Awesome news, glad that I can start officially getting orders in for these! I'm excited to get one in one of my own 7-strings as well.
You'll have to give us the low-down when you get em...
I'm still running the junk stock pups in my s7320 (which is one of the reasons I don't use it very often :lol:)
Pretty sure the aftermath will my next bkp.
Will do man. I ordered a few sets just now along with some customer orders. Got an Aftermath 7 set in camo, open black, and satin black covered 6-string.
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Well, a bridge camo with black allen bolts is being constructed right now with my name on it! Time for the Vociferator to get a bit more vocal!
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Well, a bridge camo with black allen bolts is being constructed right now with my name on it! Time for the Vociferator to get a bit more vocal!
Good stuff!
I tell you; you'll love it.
Anyway, I found out that I've actually (probably) had an aftermath neck for several months now as well :lol:
Not sure how that got overlooked exactly, but it was another nameless pre-release tim asked me if I wanted to test, its pure awesomeness, I asked him about it and he suspects its what became the neck
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Well, origin have been sent a message via a helpfull chap on the nile boards (to john who I dont imagine will give a shite, but hopefully he'll tell paul and jeremy)
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Had Hour of Penance on at Deathfest, they were good but a bit disappointing compared with the records, sadly. The albums are stellar fo' sho'.
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One of my first customer Aftermaths came in today, this one in the satin black cover with black poles!
(http://www.axepalace.com/img/bkp/_Aftermath_/am_satinbk.jpg)
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I do actually think that this one will suit my new guitar just perfect :) Its a jackson fusion Pro std. Its a basswood body, 24 3/4 neck. I just got it today, and there was a warpig mounted on it. It sounds terribly bassy on this guitar. And my sound ideal is to get this guitar as tight and hot as it can get :)
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One of my first customer Aftermaths came in today, this one in the satin black cover with black poles!
(http://www.axepalace.com/img/bkp/_Aftermath_/am_satinbk.jpg)
Damn! I went camo but that looks SO GOOD!
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One of my first customer Aftermaths came in today, this one in the satin black cover with black poles!
(http://www.axepalace.com/img/bkp/_Aftermath_/am_satinbk.jpg)
Damn! I went camo but that looks SO GOOD!
Thanks man, but ya you can never go wrong with camo either :)
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he could go wrong - the black would have been the safe choice in roo's guitar. I will be interested to see how the camo looks!
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how do the 3 custom magnets work in this? is there like 1 big main ceramic magnet, with 2 outlying ceramic mags supporting it?
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i reckoned its a big ceramic magnet with two smaller size ceramic where the spacer is supposed to be. maybe installed with opposing polarity similar to p90s to retain highs and mids. so technically its two mini p90s wired in series as a humbucker. or so i think.
on the side, can anyone who tried the aftermath make an educated guess how will it sound in a walnut body?
btw, first post here. go easy on me please? :P
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he could go wrong - the black would have been the safe choice in roo's guitar. I will be interested to see how the camo looks!
Gah, thanks Wez! :/
I've currently got an aged nickel miracle man in there, and that looks great with a bit of visibility for the pickup on what is a very dark fronted guitar. I'll obviously post pics when it's in and we'll see!
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he could go wrong - the black would have been the safe choice in roo's guitar. I will be interested to see how the camo looks!
Gah, thanks Wez! :/
I've currently got an aged nickel miracle man in there, and that looks great with a bit of visibility for the pickup on what is a very dark fronted guitar. I'll obviously post pics when it's in and we'll see!
If it doesnt work shove it in another guitar then get a black one for your main one
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One of my first customer Aftermaths came in today, this one in the satin black cover with black poles!
(http://www.axepalace.com/img/bkp/_Aftermath_/am_satinbk.jpg)
Looks good - now put it in a guitar and tell us how it sounds! :)
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he could go wrong - the black would have been the safe choice in roo's guitar. I will be interested to see how the camo looks!
Gah, thanks Wez! :/
I've currently got an aged nickel miracle man in there, and that looks great with a bit of visibility for the pickup on what is a very dark fronted guitar. I'll obviously post pics when it's in and we'll see!
If it doesnt work shove it in another guitar then get a black one for your main one
The other guitar is a stage backup. I've not even plugged it in to make sure the black dog works when I swapped over the pickups.
I'm a 1 guitar man :)
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Does it do sonic syndicate tone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pzwllYpACE (first 2 riffs remind me of bodom o_0 )
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and regarding the neck aftermath? how does it compare to the PK (which i'm definitely in love with) ?
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and regarding the neck aftermath? how does it compare to the PK (which i'm definitely in love with) ?
I'll second this. Actually, I was going to make a whole new thread but I figured I could just put this here. I was just about to order a Painkiller 7 set but seeing that the Aftermath just came out got me thinking. Everyone says it's BKs tightest pickup. My 7 is Mahogany, and I know the AM is supposed to be a bit darker than the PK. Some people are complaining about how "clinical" it sounds but I think it's awesome. The percussiveness and punch is exactly what I'm looking for. Will it be good in all-mahogany or am I better off with the PK?
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and regarding the neck aftermath? how does it compare to the PK (which i'm definitely in love with) ?
Its not has hot, brighter, much, much chimier character, like its in parallel all the time (its actually brighter in series in my SLSMG than the HD in parallel in the Aurora, which has much more top end than the SLSMG). It will convey a nice warm low end if the guitar has it (I find mine 'warm', and have only had it in a pretty bassy & low middy guitar; nolly doesnt find his 'warm' so it can be infered that either one of us is deaf (up to you, that one) or its 'warmth' is guitar-sensitive).
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And according to you what would be in the BKP ceramic range an AM with just a tad less surgical tightness while giving little more wet-ness (if it means anything) and thickness to the tone :?:.
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Probably ceramic nailbomb.
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^Agreed on the c-'bomb call
and regarding the neck aftermath? how does it compare to the PK (which i'm definitely in love with) ?
As MDV says, it's very bright and defined, even more so than the PK. I'd describe it as along the lines of a DiMarzio Humbucker from Hell in that it has that real single-coil sound. It's also insanely tight, you can riff on it like it's a bridge pickup.
I do believe that neither one of us is deaf, but that the warmth is really going to depend on the guitar.
I'll second this. Actually, I was going to make a whole new thread but I figured I could just put this here. I was just about to order a Painkiller 7 set but seeing that the Aftermath just came out got me thinking. Everyone says it's BKs tightest pickup. My 7 is Mahogany, and I know the AM is supposed to be a bit darker than the PK. Some people are complaining about how "clinical" it sounds but I think it's awesome. The percussiveness and punch is exactly what I'm looking for. Will it be good in all-mahogany or am I better off with the PK?
It's kinda inevitable that since it's new you're hearing so much about the AM, but once the dust has settled the PK isn't going to be redundant.
Anyway, to answer: the AM may be a little smoother up top, but it has less low end so will still work in darker guitars . The PK is going to come into its own for outright punch and upper-mid aggression. In all honesty I think you would be happy with either!
I would take the "clinical" comments with a grain of salt, a lot of that comes down to the playing styles in the clips - the truth is that both pickups are very dynamic and have grindy midrange characters that are far from clinical or sterile.
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uhm... all this talking about the AM made me wanting one, of course, but made me re-evaluating my MMs nonetheless, and i discovered that their real reason to be - at least in my ibby RGA - is low B tuning, and i think they'll stay there, because i really love their tone...
BUT i'm really thinking to swap my last bridge PK (in an Ibanez S470) for an AM... the S is not an easy guitar to tame, with its bright middy shallowness, i thought that exalting its natural tone with a direct - hi-middy bright pickup could have some sense, but to be honest the result is a mixed bag...
my POD loves it while my amps don't. and i'm not keen in keeping it as a POD friendly guitar that i ended using just once every 3-4 months!
so my question is: could an AM (that now i've learned to have a tad less lows but much more low mids and no hi mid spike) be an intelligent choice for that guitar?
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he could go wrong - the black would have been the safe choice in roo's guitar. I will be interested to see how the camo looks!
Gah, thanks Wez! :/
I've currently got an aged nickel miracle man in there, and that looks great with a bit of visibility for the pickup on what is a very dark fronted guitar. I'll obviously post pics when it's in and we'll see!
well if nickel looks alright you should be ok, the camo is mostly aged nickel colour tones - just taken a fair bit further
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Probably ceramic nailbomb.
Thanks for the feedback MDV !
So it sounds like I'm gonna stick with the C-Bomb personally ! :twisted:
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Which is more clinical?? a-WP or AM??
Which is better suited for Metallica/Megadeth/Ozzy?? a-WP or AM?? ... or is there something better out there for that type of stuff??
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Which is more clinical?? a-WP or AM??
Which is better suited for Metallica/Megadeth/Ozzy?? a-WP or AM?? ... or is there something better out there for that type of stuff??
miracle man
I've seen a few people in some forums making excuses to try the new model instead of choosing the best fit for their styles and guitars (not saying you're one of them)
that's a mistake, just like the painkiller trend that was happening earlier this year
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Which is more clinical?? a-WP or AM??
Which is better suited for Metallica/Megadeth/Ozzy?? a-WP or AM?? ... or is there something better out there for that type of stuff??
miracle man
I've seen a few people in some forums making excuses to try the new model instead of choosing the best fit for their styles and guitars (not saying you're one of them)
that's a mistake, just like the painkiller trend that was happening earlier this year
Neck and bridge I take it...? Not so sure the CS neck would be my thing, but that's what everyone seems to pair with the MM bridge.
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what's the guitar? the amp is relevant too
the cs neck tends to work well for everything in every guitar
that's why it's so popular
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what's the guitar? the amp is relevant too
the cs neck tends to work well for everything in every guitar
that's why it's so popular
Guitar is a Suhr Modern w/ basswood body, maple top, maple neck, and rosewood board. Amp is a Splawn Quick Rod. I want to metalize the guitar, but still have an asshair of versatility with the coil splits should I ever want to use them. I'm not tooooooo thrilled with the Suhr Aldrich pups in the guitar right this second.
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
Woah! Great old school sound! I love that rapid crunch of this pickup!
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
I know that there's a million variables going on when listening to a recording, but lets say I wanted something with more output than the Miracle Man?? What's the most logical step up from there?? That clip didn't really have the sound I'm looking to get out of this guitar. I'm looking for something that exceeds the output of my Suhr Aldrich's. Something more metalz.
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
I know that there's a million variables going on when listening to a recording, but lets say I wanted something with more output than the Miracle Man?? What's the most logical step up from there?? That clip didn't really have the sound I'm looking to get out of this guitar. I'm looking for something that exceeds the output of my Suhr Aldrich's. Something more metalz.
MORE output than the miracle man?
Well the answer is ceramic warpig, BUT I must ask the question, what the hell kind of pussy amp are you using if the miracle man isn't giving enough output!??! The Miracle Man is HOT and BRUTAL. :)
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
I know that there's a million variables going on when listening to a recording, but lets say I wanted something with more output than the Miracle Man?? What's the most logical step up from there?? That clip didn't really have the sound I'm looking to get out of this guitar. I'm looking for something that exceeds the output of my Suhr Aldrich's. Something more metalz.
MORE output than the miracle man?
Well the answer is ceramic warpig, BUT I must ask the question, what the hell kind of pussy amp are you using if the miracle man isn't giving enough output!??! The Miracle Man is HOT and BRUTAL. :)
don't know... you play in really low keys, so your judgement is a bit biased. i recently tuned my MM loaded guitar in B and NOW it's finally a dangerous beast, but in E it lacked all the heaviness and aggression that i usually get with my pigs. and mind that i'm using an ENGL fireball, that sounds quite heavy for itself! :)
it's true that warpigs sound dowtuned even in standard E!
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BUT I must ask the question, what the hell kind of pussy amp are you using if the miracle man isn't giving enough output!??! The Miracle Man is HOT and BRUTAL. :)
I play a Splawn Quick Rod. It's not a brutalzzzzz amp by definition, but it has the right amount of gain that I'm looking for. I just want this guitar to be all about teh metalz. That clip didn't sound like what I was looking for, and it's scary because I play that same amp.
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
well, i happen to love the tone (and the tune as well... great solo!)
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nice rig :D
I guess the calibrated MM set would work pretty well
here's a clip recorded by a forumite with a basswood/maple neck/rosewood board guitar loaded with miracle man (bridge) through a splawn quickrod
http://netmusicians.org/?section=id&value=1097
well, i happen to love the tone (and the tune as well... great solo!)
I love erock's style
he's a killer songwriter
he has some great miracleman/bogner xtc clips as well
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BUT I must ask the question, what the hell kind of pussy amp are you using if the miracle man isn't giving enough output!??! The Miracle Man is HOT and BRUTAL. :)
I play a Splawn Quick Rod. It's not a brutalzzzzz amp by definition, but it has the right amount of gain that I'm looking for. I just want this guitar to be all about teh metalz. That clip didn't sound like what I was looking for, and it's scary because I play that same amp.
that's up to your hands and ears
I guess your amp still has knobs :D
or maybe you should look for another amp instead of pickups
that clip is pretty much what I'd expect from a quickrod in most situations
maybe a custom audio OD100 would fit your expectations better (it's quite expensive, though)
it's bigger and more modern sounding than a quickrod
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maybe a custom audio OD100 would fit your expectations better (it's quite expensive, though)
it's bigger and more modern sounding than a quickrod
Great amp from what I've heard, but I just want to push the front end of my amp harder. Maybe the Miracle Man's would be a lot better than the Suhr Aldrich's. I don't know for sure, but I want to be safe.
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did you email Tim?
are you using a booster?
what are your speakers?
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did you email Tim?
are you using a booster?
what are your speakers?
I have yet to email Tim. I will get there.
I have a Keeley TS9 that I use here and there, but I'm trying to find the optimal rhythm tone with this guitar, while using the TS9 for leads and as a boost here and there.
I use Eminence Governor / Manowar speakers in a 2x12.
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The miracle man will definitely push you amp hard enough for any kind of metal.
It's an absolute beast of a pickup. It will cover most things and is more than hot enough on the output scale the only thing i dislike about it sometimes is the massive amount of low end but this can easily be rectified using the amps EQ.
What kind of metal are you playing?
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The miracle man will definitely push you amp hard enough for any kind of metal.
It's an absolute beast of a pickup. It will cover most things and is more than hot enough on the output scale the only thing i dislike about it sometimes is the massive amount of low end but this can easily be rectified using the amps EQ.
What kind of metal are you playing?
As far as metal goes, I play stuff like Megadeth, Metallica, Death, Slayer, Children of Bodom, and Necrophagist. I also use coil taps from time to time. Low end is good. I want a bridge pup with chunk.
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I play exactly the same stuff.
the miracle man should do perfectly
It has the low end chunk that you are looking for and can absolutely nail the tones of the bands you have listed.
i haven't tried it with any splits though so i can't comment on that
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I can't help but think the Aftermaths would completely destroy in my Les Paul Custom :twisted:....
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Any more insight on the neck pup? I'm teetering on the bring of ordering a calibrated set. :lol:
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Yay - our first stock of the Aftermath has arrived !! :D
We went for a black covered set to begin with - we may even get them in a guitar for review
We'll be adding other sets and single pickups too.........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/BARE%20KNUCKLE%20PICKUP%20IMAGES/BKPAFTERMATHSET2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/felineguitars/BARE%20KNUCKLE%20PICKUP%20IMAGES/BKPAFTERMATHSET1.jpg)
They look SO good
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if going into a direct mount guitar they would look infinitely better with black legs.
I'm going to marker pen over the legs on mine.
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How would the Aftermath compare to the original Gibson Dirty Fingers humbucker? (Since the Dirty fingers is a sound I am familiar with.)
Ceramic magnet, 3 of them, one main huge one, 2 flanking. 15k, output somewhere between nailbomb and painkiller. Native double screw pole design, like the warpig.
Very aggressive sound, tightest pickup Ive ever played through, similar mid level to a PK but without the high mid spike and it feels a little darker and snarlier and growlier to play through. Not a terribly large amount of bass; the double screw pole is there to bring the low end up to a balanced level on a bright wind, rather than add more for a really heavy sound like the pig. Ultra-precise, very high attack, lots of dynamics preservation (not very compressed) so sounds bigger and in your face than the MM and C-Pig.
Cheers for the shout Antag (nice for my involvement, such that it was, to be remembered :)), but I have to clarify; I didnt come up with it; I was after a pickup for the Aurora, and Tim suggested I try this nameless new pickup he's working on for his own band, designed for fast moderm metal rhythm, suspects I'd like it and wants a bit of feedback on the design. I tried it, my feedback was 'thats awesome, get it out now! (and here we are more than a year later). Tim expected that it would become a new pickup in the lineup but it wasnt ready yet (the neck wasnt finished at that time and he hadnt gig tested it yet) so had no trouble with me mentioning it way back then as a one-off custom made for me (which it was as things were with it then, back in late 2009) but we kept it on the quiet for a while at least that it was going to be a fully available proper pickup in the lineup.
I named it in the spirit of BK naming; for the vibe rather than the exact tone, and the vibe to me was Origin, Antithesis, The Aftermath; savage, aggressive, fast, was adapted for very complex metal due to ultra-tightness and precision.
So there you go; the (main bits of the) history of the aftermath so far as I saw it
I think the number of people that got one pre-release was 5.
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Having used the Aftermath now in a 6 string I'd say it is similar ballpark to the dirty fingers but way tighter and with maybe a more controlled treble e a much tighter bass response - it loses the flabbiness that the gibson DF could have
think if I could find a hybrid between the Aftermath and Cold Sweat I would be a very happy boy
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I'm so happy with my aftermath, it's exactly what I wanted for this guitar in the first place! Really aggressive and tight (unfeasibly tight). The bass isn't as strong as the MM (that would be tough), but it's got punch and grind, a fairly strong midrange, and a smooth-ish top end, too.
I'm a very happy camper :)
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Now I'm waiting for a Camo one. I hate waiting! I will give you a picture of it in the tung-oiled telecaster. And if I can do a little soundclip too.
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I will give you a picture of it in the tung-oiled telecaster.
That'll make Roo's day... He might even have to re-assess his opinion on his if he finds someone's put one in a tele! :lol:
I really shouldn't be interested in a pickup like this, but I'm liking everything I'm hearing about it. I'd be quite interested to know if there are any other "vintage tone" types like me who are feeling drawn this beastie and wondering what they could do with it...
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I will give you a picture of it in the tung-oiled telecaster.
That'll make Roo's day... He might even have to re-assess his opinion on his if he finds someone's put one in a tele! :lol:
I really shouldn't be interested in a pickup like this, but I'm liking everything I'm hearing about it. I'd be quite interested to know if there are any other "vintage tone" types like me who are feeling drawn this beastie and wondering what they could do with it...
Weeeeeelll
With its really forward mid and aggressive response, and the fact that it backs off well to crunch sounds, is quite uncompressed and has decent cleans I wouldnt be suprised if it went down well with someone that likes, say, Origin (who wrote the song I named it after) and ACDC. It can give you a great mid-gain screaming lead sound if you dial it in right.
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I will give you a picture of it in the tung-oiled telecaster.
That'll make Roo's day... He might even have to re-assess his opinion on his if he finds someone's put one in a tele! :lol:
I really shouldn't be interested in a pickup like this, but I'm liking everything I'm hearing about it. I'd be quite interested to know if there are any other "vintage tone" types like me who are feeling drawn this beastie and wondering what they could do with it...
Andy _ i have tried one and it's great for hard rock rhythm guitar too
I was doing MSg and UFO stuff on it and it sounded great
The tight bass response is wonderful , although I found myself wishing for a little more treble (I'm a treble junkie to be fair).
It was way more engaging for me than say a Nailbomb
Would be interesting to hear it in a bright guitar
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I will give you a picture of it in the tung-oiled telecaster.
That'll make Roo's day... He might even have to re-assess his opinion on his if he finds someone's put one in a tele! :lol:
I really shouldn't be interested in a pickup like this, but I'm liking everything I'm hearing about it. I'd be quite interested to know if there are any other "vintage tone" types like me who are feeling drawn this beastie and wondering what they could do with it...
Andy _ i have tried one and it's great for hard rock rhythm guitar too
I was doing MSg and UFO stuff on it and it sounded great
The tight bass response is wonderful , although I found myself wishing for a little more treble (I'm a treble junkie to be fair).
It was way more engaging for me than say a Nailbomb
Would be interesting to hear it in a bright guitar
Nice to see some ear more attuned to rock sounds agree with my guess
I've had it in a brighter guitar. The guitar still has a fair bit of low end, but a lot less than the others I had it in. Jackson DX1, gotoh trem. The amount of low end dropped a surprising amount and the mids got VERY grindy and aggressive.
I put a C-Bomb back in that guitar, that sound wasnt for me.
I find it surprising that you through the AM lacked treble. Its got plenty to my ears. But then if youre a treble junky, and love the CS, I suppose it adds up. Would be boring if we were all the same, no?
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(http://kepfeltoltes.hu/101109/0PH1_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)
This is the Tele I talked about, but with the open PK. Not the classical Fender and I play modern metal.:D
But I love the way that Carvin make telecaster, neck-through construction, comfortable and quick neck profile and amazing sounding woods, Sperzel and Gotoh hardwares. Great!
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YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, but I hate hate hate telecasters. It's the homosexual bulbous horn that immediately makes me want to retch. In that guitar's favour, it doesn't have that godawful bridge and control plate gubbins. I bet it's still got a cr@ppy headstock though...
Jim Root has a lot to answer for :/
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That Tele gave me a stiffy, truth be told.
ESPECIALLY because of the stripped approach it has. I like 1 humbucker guitars like teenagers like attention. Which means I absolutely love it.
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I'm not usually keen on teles that drift away from the traditional, I wouldn't dream of putting a humbucker in one myself... but that one does look MIGHTY FINE :D
I dunno Roo... obviously we can all tell the difference quite easily, but I know some folk (a sister-in-law I have, for instance) who would look at Shotgun's tele and your Vociferator and decide that they were the same sort of guitar :lol:
The subtle nuances of "homosexual bulbous horn", let alone fanned frets, would probably pass them by!
Andy _ i have tried one and it's great for hard rock rhythm guitar too
That's exactly what I was thinking, Jonathan. I don't often need it at the moment, but when i do want it I struggle to get the crispness I'm aiming for. I know that with Riff Raffs and the right amp settings I can get close (I'm just too used to using my amps for blues-rock...), but it would be nice to have a pickup that you couldn't help but get in the right ballpark!
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Ignorance is never an excuse, Andy :)