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At The Back => The Dressing Room => Topic started by: MrBump on November 23, 2011, 04:19:10 PM
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Anyone catch them on Jools Holland?
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Pretty cr@p, really. Although Kirk didn't use a wah pedal, so I guess that's a good thing.
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Yep - total sh!te. This was discussed on another thread althoguh I can't remember which one!
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Ah, my bad! Did a quick check!
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No worries - it was a thread within a thread I think!
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http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5399.4395 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5399.4395)
Page 294, in case the link doesn't work! :lol:
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they actually sounded quite a bit better on Later... than on CD. that's something to think about :o
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http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5399.4395 (http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5399.4395)
Page 294, in case the link doesn't work! :lol:
Thanks, PQ - just caught up.
All true. What shyte.
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I find it hard to believe that nobody in the management/friends told them this would be a $%&#ing terrible idea. Perhaps they were just too afraid to say no to Lou Reed.
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I find it hard to believe that nobody in the management/friends told them this would be a $%&#ing terrible idea. Perhaps they were just too afraid to say no to Lou Reed.
This is just conjecture, but I'd have thought the project would've been driven by Metallica - or more specifically Lars Ulrich - rather than by Lou Reed.
I can't imagine Reed really giving a sh!t about working with Metallica, but I can definitely imagine Lars getting all worked up about how hip-and-cool it would be to work with Reed. Then presumably the other three just went along with it.
Anyway, they made St Anger - how much lower could they go?
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I AM THE TABLE!!!
I think their managment has been too busy banging the Rt Hon Louise Mensch to give a sh1t....
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8JSUgInyWys/TinZKJ6LHQI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/YhzZrR0NpMA/s1600/louise_mensch.jpg)
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they actually sounded quite a bit better on Later... than on CD. that's something to think about :o
How is that even possible?
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I haven't seen this performance but several people have mentioned it to me and in a ghoulish way, I think I'll have to track it down on Youtube of something. Lou Reed is very much up his own a*se and I am sure that that contributes to the fun. Bless him.
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It is very painful. Kind of like watching your granddad going through some sort of mental episode.
Except that you don't love Lou Reed as much as you would your granddad.
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Except that you don't love Lou Reed as much as you would your granddad.
:lol:
He's someone I sort of admire and wanted to like, to when I saw him being interviewed with Lars he seemed a right tosser.
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I have seen it now. Not my thing at all and there have been times when I have liked some of his stuff too.
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I have only heard the stories from people who saw it.
I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna hear it.
Same goes for the previous album that is compressed to death and makes your CD player clip.
Somebody should lock Metallica into a studio with a good producer and don't let 'em out untill they have made something that rivals the black album.
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Anyway, they made St Anger - how much lower could they go?
St Anger is a masterpiece compared to lulu.
And, yeah, the later performance was better in every way than the album. I think with it being live, and reed being in the same room at the same time as the music, it was harder for him to be out of tune and out of time, and whomever did the sound obviously didnt understand how utter dreadful the mix was supposed to be.
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I have only heard the stories from people who saw it.
I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna hear it.
Same goes for the previous album that is compressed to death and makes your CD player clip.
Somebody should lock Metallica into a studio with a good producer and don't let 'em out untill they have made something that rivals the black album.
Something that just struck me - Robert Trujillo has only appeared on Metallica albums which are shite. Which isn't to say I think it's his fault! It would be nice if he could record something decent with them during his time in the band.
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I have only heard the stories from people who saw it.
I don't wanna see it, I don't wanna hear it.
Same goes for the previous album that is compressed to death and makes your CD player clip.
Somebody should lock Metallica into a studio with a good producer and don't let 'em out untill they have made something that rivals the black album.
Something that just struck me - Robert Trujillo has only appeared on Metallica albums which are shitee. Which isn't to say I think it's his fault! It would be nice if he could record something decent with them during his time in the band.
If you watched most of the death magnetic production clips Rob actually wrote at least a good 50% of the riffs on death magnetic.
And to be honest if you listen the demo version when it has all the harmonies in for guitars & even vocals its not that bad.
But for some reason it was all removed from the actual album and everything was sped up and about 3 minutes added to each song which just made them drag.
I actually dont have the album itself on my mp3 player just the demo magnetic cd that came with it as its miles better even the production which was before rick rubin got his grubby hands on it
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I may be in the minority, but I actually like Death Magnetic... And Load.
MOP is still my favourite though - still play it loads.
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If you watched most of the death magnetic production clips Rob actually wrote at least a good 50% of the riffs on death magnetic.
And to be honest if you listen the demo version when it has all the harmonies in for guitars & even vocals its not that bad.
But for some reason it was all removed from the actual album and everything was sped up and about 3 minutes added to each song which just made them drag.
I actually dont have the album itself on my mp3 player just the demo magnetic cd that came with it as its miles better even the production which was before rick rubin got his grubby hands on it
Thanks Tony. I think I have the CD with the demos, but never listened to it!
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Its far better. Other than the sketchy transitions here and there which are kinda expected on demos
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Somebody should lock Metallica into a studio with a good producer and don't let 'em out untill they have made something that rivals the black album.
That'd be a low benchmark to set.
Metallica are lost to the world. Too much money = too many Yes-Men and too few people who'll tell them they're making rubbish.
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I love the scene in Some Kind of Monster where Lars Dad reaction to some of the music is pretty frosty.
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I love the scene in Some Kind of Monster where Lars Dad reaction to some of the music is pretty frosty.
"I would say....Delete. That"
I loled. A lot. Hes like the ancient tennis wizard of truth. He should have produced Lulu
"I would say....Mute. Lou"
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The high point of the documentary for sure.
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Nah the high point is clearly Kirk's facepalm.
I really feel sorry for Kirk, he just wants to sit around and play guitar and watch Hammer movies and he has these buffoons to deal with.
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The single best thing that could have happened to Metallica is that when James went into rehab, he didn't come back and the band split. For the following reasons:
St. Anger is painful to listen to. It's a therapy jam session. It really didn't need to be recorded. The problem you had that Bob Rock was so stoked to be playing bass for them that he forgot his duty to tell them when they were turning out turds. Booting Jason was also a mistake. Instead of acting like grown-ups and bringing him back they all behaved like children.
Death Magnetic, the production is so bad it's almost unlistenable. Lars on the documentary for it is saying something like 'yeah that's awesome'. Dude, it is not. you're deaf, get a producer who isn't a lazy stoner ####!! who just pushes all the sliders to 11.
Lulu, if this isn't just Lar's vanity project I don't know what is. James, serial Skynyrd fan, not going to be into Reed. Kirk just wants to play guitar in a band and the new bassist doesn't want to piss off the band after they just made him a millionaire.
Lars can't drum for shiteee. I mean seriously, the guy is done.
Kirk, sadly I get the impression most of the time that he'd rather be surfing.
Rob, new guy and great musician, but has no voice in the band and certainly can't do die,die,die,die,die,mother$%&#er,die anywhere near as awesomely as Jason could.
Then we have new less sweary, much more sober James. Who seems to have given over full control of the band to Lars to $%&# with. Which is a bad thing as Lars is a massive tool.
Nope the best thing that could have happened is that they ended before St. Anger with an intact legacy. James would have then been free to go and screw around making music with his buddy Pepper (which would be awesome). Really couldn't give a shiteee what Lars did and Kirk could go surfing.
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^ Wow, great post! :lol:
Can't argue with any of it. Your point about Bob Rock is so true - he basically let himself think he was part of the band and forgot to maintain his professional distance, with disastrous consequences.
I would add I'm glad James did his therapy/rehab, I'm sure he's in a much better place personally now, which is great. I don't know if that added to Metallica's decline or if it might've just happened anyway, but perhaps it would've been best if the band had just called it a day.
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^ Wow, great post! :lol:
+1
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I would add I'm glad James did his therapy/rehab, I'm sure he's in a much better place personally now, which is great. I don't know if that added to Metallica's decline or if it might've just happened anyway, but perhaps it would've been best if the band had just called it a day.
Oh damn straight I'm glad James sorted himself out, it would have ended in tears otherwise. But Metallica is definitely secondry in his life now, leaving Lars with the reins. Without James as a foil to tell him when his ideas are bullshiteeeeeeeeeeeeee, instead he just goes along with them.
I'm sure James just sees Metallica as a day job now. It's a shame knowing that he and Pep would probably enjoy going off and doing thier thang. I think when Pep didn't get the bassist gig, he essentially ceased being arsed about it all.
Mind you it all makes interesting watching for the videos. Some Kind of Monster is brilliant. Shows just how massively out of touch they are with 'real life'. Band councilling, I mean, really?! Genius car crash tv though.
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Check this pretentious shite out..
METALLICA's Lars Ulrich Says 'The View' Video Is "Possibly The Best Ever Made"
The Darren Aronofsky-directed video for 'The View', from LOU REED & METALLICA's album Lulu, will premiere exclusively today (Saturday, December 3rd) at 10 AM on IFC.com and will be promoted on the IFC television network. Although the original plan was to shoot a performance video of 'Iced Honey', when everyone got together, it became obvious 'The View' was the way to go.
"The first time I heard 'The View' I was stunned," said Darren Aronofsky. "I had never heard anything like it. Half was all Lou. The other half all Metallica. It was a marriage that on the surface made no sense, but the fusion changed the way I thought about both artists and morphed into something completely fresh and new. I couldn't stop listening to it. Lou's crushing lyrics, and the band's incredible licks. It's so original and that's why I wanted to work on it."
"I am very excited about working with Darren Aronofsky on our powerful video 'The View,'" said Lou Reed. "I feel Darren understood the power and range of the emotions fueled by the fire of Metallica. His strength and spirit are on display in every frame and I think he has caught the anger, rage and anguish at the bottom of the soul of real rock. A literate man for a literate song. As exciting as the music and that's a big compliment. Possibly the best video ever made. Black and white filmic noir."
"To have a song like 'The View' visualized through the eyes and magic touch of Darren Aronofsky is beyond my wildest dream," said Metallica's Lars Ulrich. "The marriage between images, music, and words in this video is indescribably thrilling and I am so next level psyched to be involved in a project that brings together the creative minds of Darren Aronofsky, Lou Reed ... and The 'Tallica."
A collaboration between Reed and Metallica, Lulu includes a set of extended songs inspired by German expressionist Frank Wedekind's early 20th century plays Earth Spirit and Pandora's Box, and were a rewrite of Edgar Allan Poe's, The Raven, which emerged as a graphic novel on Fantagraphics Press.
Lulu has been panned by critics around the globe and sales have been dismal.
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This best video EVER... :?
http://youtu.be/fJlU_9Vyvqs
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Best review ever.
http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/epic-win-photos-honest-review-win.jpg
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This best video EVER... :?
http://youtu.be/fJlU_9Vyvqs
Actually that was nowhere near as bad as I expected.... I feel like I should be embarrassed to say that, which is irrational.
But I guess I'd get bored after two hours of the same....
I don't really think Aronofsky brought much to the table ("The Table") though. I love his films, but that seemed like a fairly run-of-the-mill music video to me.... :|
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I don't really think Aronofsky brought much to the table ("The Table")
PDT_001 PDT_003
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This best video EVER... :?
http://youtu.be/fJlU_9Vyvqs
Damn you, Dave. You made me watch it again.
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Best review ever.
http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/epic-win-photos-honest-review-win.jpg
:D :D :D
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Though maybe there is hope...
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUMZi0WLACyHKlA1GGn2RSGw&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUMZi0WLACyHKlA1GGn2RSGw&feature=plcp)
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NEWSTEAD!.... MUSTAINE! = My favourite members of Selloutica...
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Mustaine on stage with metallica? I never thought that would happen.
Does that mean the grudge is finally over?
If so, that must be a huge weight lifted from the shoulders of all of them.
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I'm wondering if "Performance Enhancement Coach" Phil Towle had something to do with this.
EDIT - I know he stopped working with them a while back. I can just imagine him calculating all the money he could make by spouting nonsense such as "you've got to move backwards before you can move forwards"
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I'm wondering if "Performance Enhancement Coach" Phil Towle had something to do with this.
I think they sorted out their issues despite that bloke, not because of him.
He seemed to make the same mistake Bob Rock did, in a way - forgetting his real job and thinking he was part of the band.
I'd say the improved relationship with Mustaine is just a sign that they've all finally grown up (of course $$$ probably paid a part too)