Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Pickups => Topic started by: itsonlyausername on March 09, 2012, 12:41:38 AM
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I had done pick up suggestion mouths ago and i was told to buy a tube amp.
So i have bought a laney 100 watt protube AOR.
Great amp the only problem i have is driving up the gain it gets fuzzy rather ballsy destortion which what i want something hard and agressive.
The genre i want to focus on is Hardcore punk
e.g Rise against Gallows Leathermouth black flag anti flag etc I prefere the vintage kinda tone from gallows
early metal and thrash metal e.g metallica kill em all era with iron maiden and blacksabbath
Also forgot to mention i like motorhead asweel
I like the vintage/modern tone something you hear these days where modern rock bands sound like there from a different era eg my chemical romance king of leon and gallows.
At the moment iy sounds more like a rhyme guitar and i currently have no pedals
Il soon be getting a tubescreamer and a eq pedal with boost
I want to be able to play lead and rhyme as attempting to play like a lead player e.g kirk hammet ray toro was a failure.
this time im open to any suggesting go for it.
I would like tims opinion that would be nice.
Sorry I have a epiphone Specail II GT bolt on neck solid mahagony body and neck with rosewood fret
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Putting the Tubescreamer type pedal in front will dramatically tighten it up, though you are going to loose some of the low-end.
I recommend the Maxon OD808 RI or the Barber Driver Direct as far as the od pedals go. There are many good ones out there, but I like these in particular.
As far as pickups, it kind of depends on the tuning. The Rebel Yell is quite awesome if you want to go with Alnico V. If you want to go in your face kind of sound, Painkiller or Warpig.
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Putting the Tubescreamer type pedal in front will dramatically tighten it up, though you are going to loose some of the low-end.
I recommend the Maxon OD808 RI or the Barber Driver Direct as far as the od pedals go. There are many good ones out there, but I like these in particular.
As far as pickups, it kind of depends on the tuning. The Rebel Yell is quite awesome if you want to go with Alnico V. If you want to go in your face kind of sound, Painkiller or Warpig.
Your Recommending Him Pickups When He Didn't Even Say Which Guitar He Has?
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More mastervolume and less gain on the amp, od-pedal in front.
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you will castrate the amp even more. if its fuzzy, try with a sonic maximizer instead to give it more bottom end punch.
As the dudes wrote, then tell us which guitar you plan to mod?
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More mastervolume and less gain on the amp, od-pedal in front.
This.
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I had 1 of those amps years ago and they (aswell as most other Laneys in my experience of owning) do have a fuzzy edge on the Distortion.
I always found the fuzz to go somewhat when the amp could be cranked up a bit and lower the gain a tad.
As for pickups, need more info on the guitar 1st :D
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Opeth Use to Run Laneys And Used Duncan Full Shreds (A Clear Slightly Mid Scooped Pickup) So The Obvious Answer Is Cold Sweat! Or If You Want More Aggression I Hear The Ceramic Nailbomb Is Basically An Overwound Cold Sweat.
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The Laney AOR series amp is a high gain amp - loads of it on tap. I would therefore not go for the pickup with the most output available and second the Cold Sweat suggestion.
Cheers Stephan
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I'll say alnico nailbomb for extra balls
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What guitar we're talking?
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Epiphone les paul Specail II GT mohagony body and neck rosewood fret board.
The bridge humbucker is broken and needs a replacement it dosen't play well it keeps turning off in the middle of playing.
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A-Bomb. For more cut the Cold Sweat.
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A-Bomb. For more cut the Cold Sweat.
Can you explain "more cut" i've heard the term but i think you've brought a whole new meaning to the table.
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More treble and high mids. Will 'cut' better through the mix in a band.
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More treble and high mids. Will 'cut' better through the mix in a band.
Exactly, but I wanne add for clarification that this does not have to mean that it will be biting or harsh.
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More treble and high mids. Will 'cut' better through the mix in a band.
Exactly, but I wanne add for clarification that this does not have to mean that it will be biting or harsh.
Yeah, should have added this. No razorblade sound.
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well a more meaner tone is what im after that has some vintage nostalgia in it.
Cold sweet/ nail bomb have been the suggestions
Also the guy with the panda pick or gal keeps low output pick up's for high gain amps
Even though there are alot of guitarist who play high output pick ups through high gain amps
Zach blair
JB and destortions through a JCM900 DR
Ray toro
JB through DSL/JCM800/Marshall plexi
James hetfield and kirk hammet
EMG80 through mesa and rendalls
Matt bellamy
Nail bomb through His current amps a Licoln and voc ac30 diesel and dsl he's also used the Sinner pick up
Daron malakian
Destortions through a marshall JVM
Offcourse ther are people who go low out to high gain im just making the point does have to limet me.
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Putting the Tubescreamer type pedal in front will dramatically tighten it up, though you are going to loose some of the low-end.
I recommend the Maxon OD808 RI or the Barber Driver Direct as far as the od pedals go. There are many good ones out there, but I like these in particular.
As far as pickups, it kind of depends on the tuning. The Rebel Yell is quite awesome if you want to go with Alnico V. If you want to go in your face kind of sound, Painkiller or Warpig.
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A mean rhythm tone, for older metal, hardcore punk and with some vintage vibe - This is what I'm understanding from your request. You mention early thrash, but also Sabbath - for thrash, you want some tightness, and Sabbath was always known for a darker sound, so you may want to avoid the brighter pickups.
(Doombuggi's getting a little ahead of themselves and recommending really hot pickups meant more for high-gain metal rhythm sounds, which will not go in that direction at all. Warpigs and Painkillers are very different from each other, and also won't sound "vintage," so that's going in a few different directions and they're pretty much the wrong ones here.)
Maybe there's a hot contemporary model you'd really like - but honestly, you may want to look into the "vintage hot" line as much as anything. If both pickups are going to actually sound vintage they'll need to be similar to a PAF set, not some modern 3-magnet ceramic beasts like Painkillers. You could get a hotter, more focused, more modern sounding bridge to tighten things up under gain, and then get a more vintage-voiced neck pickup. That would give you a little more flexibility, but otherwise you should think twice about the hotter sets.
Basically just keep that sound in your head and do some listening and reading on the official pages. More than that I can't really say from experience, and I'm sure someone else could be more specific about which ones to look for, but I figured you could use a little advice
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(Doombuggi's getting a little ahead of themselves and recommending really hot pickups meant more for high-gain metal rhythm sounds, which will not go in that direction at all. Warpigs and Painkillers are very different from each other, and also won't sound "vintage," so that's going in a few different directions and they're pretty much the wrong ones here.)
Perhaps I am. Who knows. It is a considerable thought. With this being stated, a guess a happy medium to consider is the Rebel Yell. It is a happy medium, that is reminiscent of an 80's sound, cleans up well, and can remain tight under concentrated gain. That is what I am currently using in my Les Paul. I tune to C#. For the time being I am using a Maxon OD808 RI shoved through the front of a 1989 Marshall 2203 head. I have to say that its sound quite awesome. I like the Painkillers, and I am interested in the Aftermath and Warpig Ceramic. I have had the Holydiver Bridge, the C-bomb set, and the Black Dog set.
If you are tuning to D standard or higher, the BD totally rule, and can stay pretty focused. They are pretty awesome set, one my most favorite pickups I have ever played.
The HD was cool, but not really all my cup of tea. Same with the C-bomb. I obviously dig the mid profile pickups.
I really enjoy the PK, but with the Maxon, the highs were over the top in the Les Paul. With the the pedal disengaged, I found it more enjoyable, though the bottom end needed to be a bit tighter.
Come to find out in my situation, I believe that I am searching for a more modern sounding amp. So, for the time being, I'm putting off buying any more pickups until the amp situation is solidify. I'm thinking something, Fortin.
I think there are many good suggestions here. Best bet, send an email to the BKP team. They are most helpful, and pleasant to communicate with.
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The Rebel Yell closes the gap between vintagehot and contemporary pickups. It has a lot of centermids and is quite bright in the topend, but there's a toneknob... I posted this 0.5 sec after Doombuggi, otherwise I would have second that.
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the nailbomb still sounds more 'vintage' than the rebel yell, in my opinion
midrange is quite riff raffish, but with extra compression and more low mids
the rebel yell is pure 80's, and that's hardly vintage at all
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Maybe im putting too much on to the plate
Im only going to change the bridge humbucker
The amp as it is with just a guitarlead between me and it sound perfect for rhyme playing and i have been able to get metallica kill em all sounds from it.
I would like a pick up in the bridge to do leads the neck pick is a gibson 490 it's very paf and fat and the bridge is just not working it's a 500.
I haven't found i tone yet im madly in love with yet you can get some tone's that are nice but it's not really the tone i would play with in a band.
The bridge is for my leads or just rhyme playing that needs to stand out more rather just fill in the empty noise between the lead guitarist and the bass.What i would want with that is as i do like to play hardcore punk and that will most liklty be the road il go down band wise so that the tone i would like. I like the Gallows lead guitarist tone and he said that the tone he was getting in his guitar was something like black sabbath.I don't know what you consider vintage but a sound raminescent of the 80's and late 70's where bands like gun n roses metallica motorhead etc where coming in the game as the tone of that era always seem to click with me hence why i have an amp from the 80's.
I would also like an amp that could solve the problem making my amp less fuzzy and more like the bands above destorted sounds kinda meat something that sounds like it could cause an earthquake.
Offcourse modification are going to be done e.g preamp tube change /tubescreamer pedal maybe the bad monkey as it have and low and high end setting and a speaker change as i have asked about the fuzz on other forums and how to get ridof it and these are the suggestions.
So i suppose a bridge pick up for leads that voiced for music around the late 70s to 80s that goes around the ball park of hardcore punk and early thrash metal but isn't too far away dosen't have to be bang of all those other bands that i like.
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Personally for anything 80s tones i would go with a miracle man in the bridge.
Its my go to 80s pickup without a doubt.
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None of the bands you listed are even close to what I would think as "vintage sounds"
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None of the bands you listed are even close to what I would think as "vintage sounds"
Vintage metal....
Basically he means non modern/death/tech
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None of the bands you listed are even close to what I would think as "vintage sounds"
Vintage metal....
Basically he means non modern/death/tech
Oh. Well I still wouldn't use the word vintage for that at all. Heavy metal (Aka black sabbath) Is still prominent its not just djent or modern brutal technical progressive melodic death metal. =P
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Sorry im like 17-18 so what a consider vintage probably is relitively new or maybe thats an assumption.
Would pete townshed be a player who has a vintage tone or would i have to go further back to say BB king? are is vintage not so much a generation thing rather a choice as some guitarist play through an 1974 plexi or superlead with vintage humbucker's like the 57's.
I will need education in this and don't make a pun on my grammer saying that im aware my typing is bad i have big hands and a small laptop keyboard and am dyslexic and have a low processing speed accordion to an IQ test i recently took everything else however is in it's 90's to 80's with an above average IQ But enough about that.
Mean and agressive tone
Something to combat the fuzzy on my amp for a ballsy rock tone
Suited for thrash metal e.g early metallica and hardcore punk.
Help my amp that is good for rhyme guitar to jump to lead guitar/a rhyme that can stand out so i need something that will scream abit.
and to be able to if i wanted to play my other favs
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Epiphone les paul Specail II GT mohagony body and neck rosewood fret board.
Huh ??? Are you sure it's a mahogany body ???
FWIW, I happen to own one (swapped it for a marshall GVII pedal I was not using, nuff said), and it's actually plywood body. I've heard there were some versions made with plain wood so double-check what you actually have before you spend your good money on good pickups. The one I have is a decent entry-level beginner guitar and better than what I expected for the price (35€ :xD), but it doesn't deserve any upgrade, seriously (and I'm definitly not into fancy expensive guitars).
My 2 cents...
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Epiphone les paul Specail II GT mohagony body and neck rosewood fret board.
Huh ??? Are you sure it's a mahogany body ???
FWIW, I happen to own one (swapped it for a marshall GVII pedal I was not using, nuff said), and it's actually plywood body. I've heard there were some versions made with plain wood so double-check what you actually have before you spend your good money on good pickups. The one I have is a decent entry-level beginner guitar and better than what I expected for the price (35€ :xD), but it doesn't deserve any upgrade, seriously (and I'm definitly not into fancy expensive guitars).
My 2 cents...
This was my first guitar also, I would recommend getting a real guitar, the one I have is horrible sounding, I thought it was basswood or something, regardless its not "good" mahogany and it did not come from where gibson gets their stuff. I think you should find a PRS SE singlecut model of some sort, better neck, quality, sound, and look.
You should look into getting a boost pedal, I didn't like tubescreamers like the ts9 or od808 because they cut to much low end and the guitar sound wasn't as full, with the maxon od9+ pro my sound is tight and balanced sounding and much clearer.
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Epiphone les paul Specail II GT mohagony body and neck rosewood fret board.
Huh ??? Are you sure it's a mahogany body ???
FWIW, I happen to own one (swapped it for a marshall GVII pedal I was not using, nuff said), and it's actually plywood body. I've heard there were some versions made with plain wood so double-check what you actually have before you spend your good money on good pickups. The one I have is a decent entry-level beginner guitar and better than what I expected for the price (35€ :xD), but it doesn't deserve any upgrade, seriously (and I'm definitly not into fancy expensive guitars).
My 2 cents...
This was my first guitar also, I would recommend getting a real guitar, the one I have is horrible sounding, I thought it was basswood or something, regardless its not "good" mahogany and it did not come from where gibson gets their stuff. I think you should find a PRS SE singlecut model of some sort, better neck, quality, sound, and look.
You should look into getting a boost pedal, I didn't like tubescreamers like the ts9 or od808 because they cut to much low end and the guitar sound wasn't as full, with the maxon od9+ pro my sound is tight and balanced sounding and much clearer.
ugh i thought this would happen
The Epiphone specail GT is not the epiphone specail go on the wibesite the spec or as follows
Body:
•Body Material: Mahogany
•Bridge: 6-Screw Vintage-style Tremolo
•Colour: Worn Black (WK)
Neck:
•Neck Materials: Hard Maple
•Neck Shape: SlimTaper
•Neck Joint: Bolt-On; Contoured heel with recessed 4-bolt pattern
•Truss Rod: Adjustable
•Scale Length: 24.75"
•Fingerboard Material: Rosewood with pearloid Parallelogram inlays
•Fingerboard Radius: 14inch
•Frets: 22 medium-jumbo
•Nut Width: 1-11/16"
Pickups & Hardware:
•Bridge Pickup: U.S.A Designed 700T? Humbucker
•Neck Pickup: U.S.A Designed 650R? Humbucker
•Controls: Master Volume Master Tone with integrated push/push Kill Switch - 3-way Toggle
•Hardware: Black
•Machine Heads: Premium, 14:1 covered
This was epiphone essentailly making a cheap guitar better and mind happen's to be the best the mahagony is solid that even a skrew driver couldn't dent it i remember an art teacher telling me you know it real mahagony when you can't drive a nail through it.
It maybe sourced cheaply and many rule's are violated but that dosen't go to say one in 1000 can't turn out to be perfect.
My bridge humbucker is also broken so i need a replace and i don't have the money for another guitar however i have got my eye on my next buy it's nothing specific rather a project of impulse and maybe il take the bridge pick up out and put it in that if i so desire.
Also bolt on and set in theoritically are on the same level and has been argued many time's over. While with a bolt on you have metal absorbing the sound waves that resonate with the body in a set in there is still a gap and between the gap there is glue which only goes to slow down the sound waves/vibration from crossing neck to body on top of that if you have ever did wood work in your life alot of skill is needed to make a wood joint and sometime's it can be to thight making unreliable understress are too loose and to get perfect is near damn impossible unless your a robot that has been made 1000 years into the future it will alway be a little to too thight to a little to too loose to keep quality is impossible even for gibson. But with bolt on what can go wrong? and if a set neck breaks what do you do?
Please refrain from comments against the guitar in it's price range it is the best and most likely better then guitar that cost more then it.
and it is a real guitar.
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No that's the one I have too. I personally think epiphone is only good if you want a gibson replica but cheaper and not so good. I actually like ESP's and PRS's offerings more + they're just plain better.
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ugh i thought this would happen
The Epiphone specail GT is not the epiphone specail go on the wibesite the spec or as follows
(snip)
Please refrain from comments against the guitar in it's price range it is the best and most likely better then guitar that cost more then it.
and it is a real guitar.
Sorry for the confusion and thanks for clearing it out. Oh, and no need to be that defensive - my comments were obviously about a different guitar 8)
So, back on topic: you have a mahogany body / maple neck guitar, you're into early hardcore punk / 80's metal stuff and you're looking for a replacement bridge pickup. From what you describe AND the pups I've tried, I'd suggest a ABomb bridge - I have one on my SG, we obviously have some common tastes, and it works wonder for me for both roaring riffs and meaty leads (with some help from a good OD pedal but my amp is not specially hi-gain). The extra bonus with this pickup is how it can go from a somewhat (but not too much) modern aggression to a more vintagey tone with just a roll of the volume pot, kinda best of both worlds.
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I did explain my bad grammer
Im not from the united states im from the Uk not telling you where because if i say where im from then every american will resort to a steriotype brought upon my country by henry ford. It's not really a big deal but i don't want spam in this forum about it.
Im dyslexic so noticing mistake's i have made is difficult as some will will just go over my head so much so if im writing something important it need's to be proof read by somebody else although i tend to proof read myself because im not a fan of recieving help. My primary also did help with the sitoution choosing to ignore it rather help.
On top of the dyslexia i do have big hands and im typing from a laptop i small laptop so mistake's are made.
Thanks for your ignorance on that although i am on the internet.
anyway back to the point the nailbomb gets alot of vote's so it maybe in the best choice but the cold sweet appears to be a niche whats the difference besides the output eg level what is the nailbombs advantage and disadvantage.
also sorry about my long rant on the EPI i skrewed up on copy and paste il re edit it.
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You don't need to explain anything to any one. You are just trying find pickups that are going to work for you. I'm an American. I don't care what country you are from. We all bleed red, and we are all on this earth together. Most of my country folk are conditioned, coach potatoes, and war mongers. For that I'm sorry, forgive those who are too weak to use deductive reasoning, and for lack of better words, lazy. I have been guilty of that at some point of my life.
I would rather ignore some who chooses to compose their self in such a manner.
I think it would be good if you contacted Bare Knuckles, and asked them what you think would best suite your guitar, your amp, and your needs. After which, please post the results. The main reason I am on this forum is to learn more, and share it.
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kk thanks just use the normal contacts etc
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You don't need to explain anything to any one. You are just trying find pickups that are going to work for you. I'm an American. I don't care what country you are from. We all bleed read, and we are all on this earth together. Most of my country folk are conditioned, coach potatoes, and war mongers. For that I'm sorry, forgive those who are to weak to use deductive reasoning, and for lack of better words, lazy. I have been guilty of that at some point of my life.
I would rather ignore some who chooses to compose their self in such a manner.
I think it would be good if you contacted Bare Knuckles, and asked them what you think would best suite your guitar, your amp, and your needs. After which, please post the results. The main reason I am on this forum is to learn more, and share it.
Very well said!
Its not you at all that needs to explain yourself the other guy should be ashamed of how hes behaving
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kk thanks just use the normal contacts etc
you can follow this link, and fill out the required info, and they will get back to you soon enough. Good luck.
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/ccs/open.php (https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/ccs/open.php)
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Got my reply and they said the Nailbomb in the bridge would best suit.
I said exactly what i said where and didn't mention any preference to any current pick up.
The only thing about the nailbomb that bugs is the fact that does it fullfill a specific demand because it appears to be the pick up bare knuckle sell alot of. Is it a kind of jack of all trades pick up it just gives me the feeling that these something more specific e.g a horse made by a comittee will end up being a camel.
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I think you'll be happy with the Nailbomb. The BK team is really good at suggesting a pickup.
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KK it will be a worth while purchase Thanks.