Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
At The Back => Time Out => Topic started by: shobet on April 08, 2012, 04:44:16 PM
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Is it me or has this place entered the phase where it seem to be more arguing about shite than pickups, guitars and amps?
I have to admit I'm finding it harder and harder to actually give a toss about what's said in the forums as it usually just degenerates into a 'I'm right, you're wrong', tit for tat bitching fest. Arguing online is like pissing into the wind with your mouth open.
I've also noticed that some of the accounts in various recent threads are now 'guest' accounts. IE people have actually gone and deleted their accounts. So I'm obviously not alone if getting tired of it.
It's a pickup forum FFS. There's a reason a lot of the major forums don't tolerate politics, religious and other topics which can rapidly develop into arguments.
I know how Ben (Denim n Leather) felt...
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This is a hard post to answer without being guilty of exactly what you're complaining about... ;)
What I will say is from a matter of perspective, this forum has one of the best signal to noise ratios out there when it comes to OT/banter vs pups/gear. A little OT ain't bad and I don't think this one has yet got to anywhere near the proportions where we need to become concerned about it.
Finally, when it comes to internet forums (all of them as this inevitably crops up on them all) I always like to leave with: It's just an internet forum, is it really worth getting worked up about it?
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Thread like this again....these threads are the only time I notice the things you are describing xD
Just don´t visit the Dressing Room mate, all is better then ;)
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Well I'm guilty of this as I've started a couple threads like this.
I think sometimes it's necessary to talk about random things to keep the forum alive. If it was all about pickups, then by now, every single pickup question would have been asked & answered and there'd be no reason to sign up or communiacate, as you could just search for what you was looking for and read what other people have recommended to other people, that fit your criteria.
Something I've noticed on this forum though, is that even with discussion where people have major disagreements, it's very formal and kept relativitly friendly. I've seen on other forums where people start insulting each other, just because they use a certain pickup. It could be a Seymour Duncan forum and somebody will say they use Blackouts, and just because they're active, you'll get some guy calling them not very friendly things, saying they no nothing about pickups, and this pickup is the best, and if you'd rather pick Blackouts over something like a Distortion, then they must be a total "insert bad language here". Then the thread becomes a mile long of people acting like they're in the film 300 or summat.
It's a nice place to discuss things on here. I guess that's why there's an "Off-Topic" section :)
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Maybe someone should create a "What Grinds Your Gears?" thread haha :P
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Well, we have "Time Out" and "The Dressing Room" for off-topic discussions. They've been there the whole time I've used the forum.
So what's wrong with that? :?
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Well, we have "Time Out" and "The Dressing Room" for off-topic discussions. They've been there the whole time I've used the forum.
So what's wrong with that? :?
+1. You don't have to respond to thread you don't like.
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I actually find this one of the better OT forums because people here are pretty polite and well reasoned. Even the people who disagree with you are informative.
I think a big part is that politics and economics have become more immediate recently and as a consequence many of us aren't buying exotic new gear lately, so there's less guitar chat.
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I think sometimes it's necessary to talk about random things to keep the forum alive. If it was all about pickups, then by now, every single pickup question would have been asked & answered and there'd be no reason to sign up or communiacate, as you could just search for what you was looking for and read what other people have recommended to other people, that fit your criteria.
This is totally valid. There's a track forum that used to have a lot of OT on there. Soon as that was stopped the forum died. Lucky if there's a couple of posts a week there at the moment... if that.
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This thread again? The forum would be dead without off topic chat. You are not compelled to read any thread you don't want to. There is nowhere near the volume of political or especially not religious threads as the opening post would lead one to suspect.
A grip needs gotten.
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its like i always say.
"ribs is ribs"
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This thread again? The forum would be dead without off topic chat. You are not compelled to read any thread you don't want to. There is nowhere near the volume of political or especially not religious threads as the opening post would lead one to suspect.
A grip needs gotten.
+1
I don't always say it, but I seem to be agreeing with you more and more on some of these recent discussions.
What the $%&# is happening to me? :P
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Maybe you've contracted Good-wholesome-lefty :lol:
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I'm with you, Shobet. We used to have a real mix/balance of music styles/gear/off-topic conversations/banter but that diversity seems to have been lost of late and some hostility has crept in.
It was a surprise to me when I realised a mutual friend had deleted his account recently, but after speaking to him I totally understand why he did.
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Well, we have "Time Out" and "The Dressing Room" for off-topic discussions. They've been there the whole time I've used the forum.
So what's wrong with that? :?
+1. You don't have to respond to thread you don't like.
+2. If its been here as long as Philly, it surely must have a place. I always preferred freedom and in the proper room suites the forum nicely...best forum on the planet really, carry on mates. :)
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I heard time out has six tele necks under its bed.
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All internet forums can get on your nerves after a while, that's just the nature of the beast. I posted on b3ta for more than eight years and that forum really can get nasty and personal, this forum is a haven of politeness by comparison.
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All internet forums can get on your nerves after a while, that's just the nature of the beast. I posted on b3ta for more than eight years and that forum really can get nasty and personal, this forum is a haven of politeness by comparison.
I agree, I don't have bad experiences here.
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If its been here as long as Philly, it surely must have a place. I always preferred freedom and in the proper room suites the forum nicely...best forum on the planet really, carry on mates. :)
To be fair, some of these guys have been here longer than me. I just post more. :oops:
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If its been here as long as Philly, it surely must have a place. I always preferred freedom and in the proper room suites the forum nicely...best forum on the planet really, carry on mates. :)
To be fair, some of these guys have been here longer than me. I just post more. :oops:
:lol:
You're the reigning champ though...that we can count. :)
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If its been here as long as Philly, it surely must have a place. I always preferred freedom and in the proper room suites the forum nicely...best forum on the planet really, carry on mates. :)
To be fair, some of these guys have been here longer than me. I just post more. :oops:
:lol:
You're the reigning champ though...that we can count. :)
Days online too! :o :lol:
It is a lot more off topic in here than it used to be. I think if people are leaving because of it then it needs a balance adjustment.
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It is a lot more off topic in here than it used to be. I think if people are leaving because of it then it needs a balance adjustment.
But - just throwing a thought in - is it just the "off-topic" stuff which is causing the decline/problem, if there is one?
This isn't meant to be negative towards new members, but when I look at the "on-topic" sections, especially Pickups and Tech, it's people asking the same questions which have been asked and answered dozens of times before:
"Which pickup for this sound?"
"What spacing/leg length for my guitar?"
"How do I get this wiring to work in my Ibanez?"
"What picks do people use?" :roll:
Now I'm not saying newbies shouldn't ask these questions (except maybe the last one.... :P), or that they should perform extensive searches before asking anything. But I sometimes think oh no, can I be bothered to answer that question again? And I'm sure - if they're honest - other old lags must feel the same.
If you look at those "on-topic" threads, it often isn't longer-term members who reply at all, in fact if it wasn't for a few relatively new members (Telerocker and Darkbluemurder, take a bow! :) ) a lot of those questions might go unanswered.
So do we really want to restrict "off-topic"? I think it might kill the forum, to be honest.
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I think the gear related chat has been a little slow for a while. Not many NGD's with Pics for Fernando. Also, I don't really think a lot of interesting stuff has happened for a while in terms of new guitars, new amps, new pedals... etc.
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I had a couple of 'harsh' responses when I first came on here and I did think mmmm not too friendly here but stuck it out and also met some forumites when i went to Manchester meet couple years back who would be good to see again and Tim at Birmingham nice chap with time for everyone, but overall this forum has been probably the friendliest site ive been on and ive been on and left a few sites with the old f@ck you attitudes and gear snobbery which doesnt apply on here. I suppose all sites tend to get a bit boring after a while but for me its a meeting place for canny crack and seeing a lot of nice gear and good info. So thanks to all. :D :D
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I think we may have all gone through the same phase as Shobet at some point. There are threads that I have no interest in or desire to join in. I don't respond -sometimes I am out of my depth, sometimes not but I make the decision that I have enough hassle in my real life to go looking for it here. So I stick to the technical stuff if it is something I know about and shut up if I don't.
The forum relies upon new people coming along adding their thoughts and opinions. Sure, the same questions will arise over and over but to those making the questions, they may be entirely new to BKP. Doesn't cost anything to welcome them and to answer their questions as clearly as we can-if we can. Some of the new members put me to shame with their willingness to pitch in. I am always conscious that whatever I say regarding pickups is my opinion and based on my experience and might not be right for others.
In the end it is an internet forum-not life or death itself. I hope Shobet sticks around- gives me a good laugh.
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Well, we have "Time Out" and "The Dressing Room" for off-topic discussions. They've been there the whole time I've used the forum.
So what's wrong with that? :?
+1
I've been here from near enough the start, and I still don't have much problem with what's going on. As sifu ben said, we're fairly polite here compared to most other forums. In fact that might be what's making it almost seem like a more serious problem than it actually is- when someone isn't totally polite it's almost shocking :lol: I say things on other forums and I barely bat an eyelid (i still think i'm fairly polite as a default, just i give as good as i get if i think others are being dicks), yet if i said anything a fraction as bad here i'd probably feel bad for a day or two.
Also i agree with nfe, there aren't *that* many contentious threads. I'd also point out that there are several threads which I haven't liked over time which I didn't post in, either- it's certainly not like i love all the contentious threads or anything like that.
what's actually annoying me more is that the gear parts of this forum have been a lot less interesting (for me personally) than they used to be. though whether or not there's actually been any change, I dunno, maybe i've just got bored of answering similar threads :lol:
I'd also say you'd need to be careful- a couple of people might have left now, and obviously once people start leaving, then it becomes more serious and worth considering. However, if you change the forum you might annoy different people and they might leave. Maybe twice as many will.
(that's not a threat that i'll leave or anything, I'm just pointing it out that you can change things for the worse as well as better :) )
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I think we all "play fair" here and I agree that the standards we hold ourselves to are so high that I too feel like an @sshole if I'm not polite 99% of the time.
I don't see a problem here.
I read/reply to the threads that interest me and let the others pass me by.
I like to hear your opinions on anything and it's not the end of the world to disagree, it's not personal.
Please don't go Shob.
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It is a lot more off topic in here than it used to be. I think if people are leaving because of it then it needs a balance adjustment.
But - just throwing a thought in - is it just the "off-topic" stuff which is causing the decline/problem, if there is one?
This isn't meant to be negative towards new members, but when I look at the "on-topic" sections, especially Pickups and Tech, it's people asking the same questions which have been asked and answered dozens of times before:
"Which pickup for this sound?"
"What spacing/leg length for my guitar?"
"How do I get this wiring to work in my Ibanez?"
"What picks do people use?" :roll:
Now I'm not saying newbies shouldn't ask these questions (except maybe the last one.... :P), or that they should perform extensive searches before asking anything. But I sometimes think oh no, can I be bothered to answer that question again? And I'm sure - if they're honest - other old lags must feel the same.
If you look at those "on-topic" threads, it often isn't longer-term members who reply at all, in fact if it wasn't for a few relatively new members (Telerocker and Darkbluemurder, take a bow! :) ) a lot of those questions might go unanswered.
So do we really want to restrict "off-topic"? I think it might kill the forum, to be honest.
I reply quite some times bec I think as newbies who start a thread expect an answer. I was happy I got good advice when I joined the forum. My knowledge is limited though and I always hope some forumveterans will chime in for extra/more detailed info. And Philly, you forgot Eric Hellstyle,. He is a big help in the contemporary range.
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I have been on the point of deleting my account on a few occassions - to be honest some of the on topic posts (and not from newbies) p**s me off more than the off topic ones - then I look at it rationally and accept that we're not all the same and close the thread and move on. This is more than compensated for by what I've gained from the forum.
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I reply quite some times bec I think as newbies who start a thread expect an answer. I was happy I got good advice when I joined the forum. My knowledge is limited though and I always hope some forumveterans will chime in for extra/more detailed info. And Philly, you forgot Eric Hellstyle,. He is a big help in the contemporary range.
Yeah, I didn't specifically mention Eric because he is a long-termer. But yes, he is very helpful on pickup threads especially. :)
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if one were to leave, why bother to delete your account? it's not like it costs. am i missing something?
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if one were to leave, why bother to delete your account? it's not like it costs. am i missing something?
To completely cut yourself off and remove the temptation of easily returning.
I actually deleted my account a few months back because i got sick of seeing all the bickering and mindlessness.
The only reason i came back was because i got told twinfan was selling some =C= valves at a good price so i came back to grab them and im here again but i have no idea how long for.
I often find myself elsewhere when im on the net as there are many places that are more gear oriented.
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After reading your post Steve it got me thinking about how things were. I haven't been in here as much as I used to be but remember when someone joined and we all said welcome to the forum? Did that stop or have I just not noticed it?
Shobot don't go, you're a good laugh, own Charvels and have a very interesting knowledge of Whiskey! :D
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After reading your post Steve it got me thinking about how things were. I haven't been in here as much as I used to be but remember when someone joined and we all said welcome to the forum? Did that stop or have I just not noticed it?
Shobot don't go, you're a good laugh, own Charvels and have a very interesting knowledge of Whiskey! :D
It does seem to have stopped. Or doesn't happen as much.
To be honest the forum currently isnt that bad. But it is on the slippery hill to harmony central
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After reading your post Steve it got me thinking about how things were. I haven't been in here as much as I used to be but remember when someone joined and we all said welcome to the forum? Did that stop or have I just not noticed it?
Shobot don't go, you're a good laugh, own Charvels and have a very interesting knowledge of Whiskey! :D
Oooooh, Whiskey! Now that'd be a thread I'd religiously be involved in :P
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After reading your post Steve it got me thinking about how things were. I haven't been in here as much as I used to be but remember when someone joined and we all said welcome to the forum? Did that stop or have I just not noticed it?
Shobot don't go, you're a good laugh, own Charvels and have a very interesting knowledge of Whiskey! :D
I certainly try to remember to welcome people. Sometimes it does slip ones mind though or one just does not notice the 1 beneath the name.
Learned to do that by example of others and try to pass it on, like many other things.
Mhhh whiskey, we certainly need a thread for that. Just starting to get into that world after getting a crash course from a gastronomy critiq a few weeks ago. Kinda knowing how to taste it makes such a difference....now I want a bottle of 18 or 21 year old Highland Park^^
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To be honest the forum currently isnt that bad. But it is on the slippery hill to harmony central
I think it has a way to go before it's as bad as HC :lol:
I've noticed myself being alot quieter here nowadays than I used to be. I think alot of it comes down to the types of questions now being asked, and the genres they're being asked about.
I've noticed over the last few months that there's more and more 'Djenty' and 'Br00talz' (neither meant as an insult, just dunno how else to describe it :lol: ) threads appearing and as they're genres of music I have no knowledge about what so ever, I'm not in a position to give pickup suggestions or advice on amps etc.
I think it'd be a shame if Shobet and others started leaving they're decent guys who I've met a few times who are great for a laugh and atleast I know we have music tastes in common :band5:
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Here's your Whisky thread, boys!
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10229.0 (https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10229.0)
(Isn't "Whiskey" the Irish variety? Even I know that.... :P )
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Right then
I got fags, a plan to binge drink for the evening, more EMG equipped guitars than BK equipped and nothing to do for the night.
Is this a bad time for you to ask me my opinion on religion, sociology, politics, authoritarian governments, infringements of civil liberty, substance abuse, substance indulgence, the difference between them, online freedoms, privacy in the information age, and cyclists?
Just dont talk to me about anything serious like PRS or PTP wiring. Keep it light hearted.
Speaking of, I have an SE in for setup. Good god. Better than most gibsons, I suppose.
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Right then
I got fags, a plan to binge drink for the evening, more EMG equipped guitars than BK equipped and nothing to do for the night.
Is this a bad time for you to ask me my opinion on religion, sociology, politics, authoritarian governments, infringements of civil liberty, substance abuse, substance indulgence, the difference between them, online freedoms, privacy in the information age, and cyclists?
Just dont talk to me about anything serious like PRS or PTP wiring. Keep it light hearted.
Speaking of, I have an SE in for setup. Good god. Better than most gibsons, I suppose.
:lol:
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I'm here all night.
No, really.
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I too had that feeling of forum downward spiral, but it was mostly me just taking things outta context or just having a bad week and everything pissed me off......Though I think I was only involved in one heated thread.
To me, I think BKP's move to not do custom stuff anymore really turned me off. Now don't get me wrong, BKP makes great..GREAT...GGRREEAATT pickups.....but to me...the custom option was the main selling point. Having a tech tweak the pups winding or whatnot to better suit your guitar or style really made it your own......and that is why I did not mind paying the small fortune these pickups cost. (USA Price for me)
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:tfrag:..
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Is this a bad time for you to ask me my opinion on religion, sociology, politics, authoritarian governments, infringements of civil liberty, substance abuse, substance indulgence, the difference between them, online freedoms, privacy in the information age, and cyclists?
See, this is a good point. Subjects like religion and politics don't really have a place on a musicians' forum do they? Divisive topics like those always cause friction and resentment. Which is why I tend to pop up in those threads asking what picks people use.
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I dunno. I get vexed about people used the wrong picks. YES there are WRONG picks. Don't get me critically vexed!
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Is this a bad time for you to ask me my opinion on religion, sociology, politics, authoritarian governments, infringements of civil liberty, substance abuse, substance indulgence, the difference between them, online freedoms, privacy in the information age, and cyclists?
See, this is a good point. Subjects like religion and politics don't really have a place on a musicians' forum do they? Divisive topics like those always cause friction and resentment. Which is why I tend to pop up in those threads asking what picks people use.
See, I dont think that you can compartmentalise that easily. This forum has, what, a billionty members? We're all people, and while we all share the common interest of guitary noise stuff, but have many other concerns besides , we cant realistically expect that we can segregate topics that many of us clearly think warrant discussion....
except through off topic forums, of which we have two, which I believe are serving their purpose perfectly well. I still dont really know what the difference is between time out and the dressing room, but you never see "David Camerons a bell end" in the pickups board so I figure provided there are funny pics and tits to keep everybody content along with the real world tedium, alls fine and well.
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At these responses, I'm sort of amused, sort of depressed, and utterly repulsed.
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Is this a bad time for you to ask me my opinion on religion, sociology, politics, authoritarian governments, infringements of civil liberty, substance abuse, substance indulgence, the difference between them, online freedoms, privacy in the information age, and cyclists?
See, this is a good point. Subjects like religion and politics don't really have a place on a musicians' forum do they? Divisive topics like those always cause friction and resentment. Which is why I tend to pop up in those threads asking what picks people use.
Now that I done gone made myself look at this thread and the the frankly vapid contents therein again, I have a better response:
There are off topic forums. 2 of them.
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I think we all "play fair" here and I agree that the standards we hold ourselves to are so high that I too feel like an @sshole if I'm not polite 99% of the time.
I don't see a problem here.
I read/reply to the threads that interest me and let the others pass me by.
I like to hear your opinions on anything and it's not the end of the world to disagree, it's not personal.
Please don't go Shob.
agreed :)
Right then
I got fags, a plan to binge drink for the evening, more EMG equipped guitars than BK equipped and nothing to do for the night.
Is this a bad time for you to ask me my opinion on religion, sociology, politics, authoritarian governments, infringements of civil liberty, substance abuse, substance indulgence, the difference between them, online freedoms, privacy in the information age, and cyclists?
Just dont talk to me about anything serious like PRS or PTP wiring. Keep it light hearted.
Speaking of, I have an SE in for setup. Good god. Better than most gibsons, I suppose.
:lol:
I think it has a way to go before it's as bad as HC :lol:
+1. nowhere near HC. :lol:
See, this is a good point. Subjects like religion and politics don't really have a place on a musicians' forum do they? Divisive topics like those always cause friction and resentment. Which is why I tend to pop up in those threads asking what picks people use.
that's what off-topic's for, surely? I'd agree if they were popping up in the gear forums (that's what actually annoys me about HC, i have to wade through 3 pages of cr@p to get to 2 decent on=topic threads), here if you don't like the off-topic stuff you can just ignore those forums.
:)
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that's what off-topic's for, surely? I'd agree if they were popping up in the gear forums (that's what actually annoys me about HC, i have to wade through 3 pages of cr@p to get to 2 decent on=topic threads), here if you don't like the off-topic stuff you can just ignore those forums.
:)
Hmm thats like someone saying
"Hey I'm going to shite on your doorstep but if you don't like it you can just walk around it"
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that's what off-topic's for, surely? I'd agree if they were popping up in the gear forums (that's what actually annoys me about HC, i have to wade through 3 pages of cr@p to get to 2 decent on=topic threads), here if you don't like the off-topic stuff you can just ignore those forums.
:)
You should see Blu-ray.com - they have threads which run over 100 pages sometimes, debating some incredibly minor point which will run for 10 pages or so, then it'll go on to something else for another 10 pages, then someone new will come in and ask the same question which started the argument way back on page 17..... and so the cycle begins again! :roll:
You can't really blame the people who kick it off again, because it would be impossible to have time to read the whole thread, but it's all so petty and tedious.
We're nowhere near that. :)
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that's what off-topic's for, surely? I'd agree if they were popping up in the gear forums (that's what actually annoys me about HC, i have to wade through 3 pages of cr@p to get to 2 decent on=topic threads), here if you don't like the off-topic stuff you can just ignore those forums.
:)
Hmm thats like someone saying
"Hey I'm going to shitee on your doorstep but if you don't like it you can just walk around it"
Not really. It's not that personal. It's like a bunch of dudes in a bar room bathroom chatting arguing with each other. You keep overhearing and you get upset... but do you go over and join in and try to make your point? Accept some people will just congregate anyway and have a good argument? Move to another part of the bar? Or move to a different bar?
If you're a regular with your own stool set aside and your own glass up on the rail... do you REALLY want to go elsewhere?
COURSE YOU DON'T! you pick up your bar stool and glass and start on some playground level nonsense! A bloodbath ensues, everyone ends up butt hurt.
this is basically how i view life.
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The internet isn't real life and one forum can be as silly as the next. It just acts as a place where people who would otherwise never socialize in reality can be drawn together over one common interest and share opinions or bang heads. here, that common interest is music/gear.
Imagine if everyone who liked a beer could only buy or consume beer in a weatherspoons. no other outlets existed. How long would small talk last between newcomers before it turns into division and sporadic bar fights?
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that's what off-topic's for, surely? I'd agree if they were popping up in the gear forums (that's what actually annoys me about HC, i have to wade through 3 pages of cr@p to get to 2 decent on=topic threads), here if you don't like the off-topic stuff you can just ignore those forums.
:)
Hmm thats like someone saying
"Hey I'm going to shitee on your doorstep but if you don't like it you can just walk around it"
No. It might be, at a push, like someone saying ‘I'm going to shite in the park ten minutes walk from your house, the one you never have to pass through unless you want to make a point of doing so, are you going to go out of your way to step in it?’
Probably the only response that needed to appear in this thread is: If you only want to read about gear, don't go into the sub-forums that are specifically not for conversations about gear.
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that's what off-topic's for, surely? I'd agree if they were popping up in the gear forums (that's what actually annoys me about HC, i have to wade through 3 pages of cr@p to get to 2 decent on=topic threads), here if you don't like the off-topic stuff you can just ignore those forums.
:)
Hmm thats like someone saying
"Hey I'm going to shiteee on your doorstep but if you don't like it you can just walk around it"
No. It might be, at a push, like someone saying ‘I'm going to shite in the park ten minutes walk from your house, the one you never have to pass through unless you want to make a point of doing so, are you going to go out of your way to step in it?’
Probably the only response that needed to appear in this thread is: If you only want to read about gear, don't go into the sub-forums that are specifically not for conversations about gear.
Well to be honest i used to see this place as kind of a home on the internet.
Somewhere where everything was decent. What i'm trying to say is it's getting less like that day by day.
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Its the same as when you really want a jam doughnut, but you can only find custard, and the guy in the queue behind you in sayers really wants a jaffacake halloween special doughnut, but then some upstart comes in and buys all the doughnuts. And the point is... why on earth did you even want a doughnut.
so now this is all cleared up, lets get this thread locked up and everyone back to jammin'! oooowwwwwwww!
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Hmm thats like someone saying
"Hey I'm going to shiteeee on your doorstep but if you don't like it you can just walk around it"
no, it's nothing like that at all. it's a bit more like walking through the doggy toilet in a public park and then complaining when you get dog cr@p on your shoes.
there's going to be dog cr@p in the park, it's unavoidable unless you ban dogs, so there might as well be a place for it where people who don't have dogs can avoid it. as opposed to having it randomly scattered throughout the park where it's almost impossible to avoid it.
ditto off-topic posts and threads. it's pretty obvious from this thread that some regulars here do want the option of off-topic (and clearly the mods etc. want it too or there wouldn't be two off-topic forums), so the best way to deal with it is to have an area for it where those who want it can post, and where those who don't can easily ignore it.
As opposed to say, HC, which has already been mentioned.
You should see Blu-ray.com - they have threads which run over 100 pages sometimes, debating some incredibly minor point which will run for 10 pages or so, then it'll go on to something else for another 10 pages, then someone new will come in and ask the same question which started the argument way back on page 17..... and so the cycle begins again! :roll:
You can't really blame the people who kick it off again, because it would be impossible to have time to read the whole thread, but it's all so petty and tedious.
We're nowhere near that. :)
haha
No. It might be, at a push, like someone saying ‘I'm going to shite in the park ten minutes walk from your house, the one you never have to pass through unless you want to make a point of doing so, are you going to go out of your way to step in it?’
Probably the only response that needed to appear in this thread is: If you only want to read about gear, don't go into the sub-forums that are specifically not for conversations about gear.
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Well to be honest i used to see this place as kind of a home on the internet.
Somewhere where everything was decent. What i'm trying to say is it's getting less like that day by day.
i remember the odd thread got heated even back in the day. I definitely remember at least once or twice, a good while ago, getting into arguments here (and then feeling bad :lol: ).
granted there are a couple more at the moment, but i don't think those arguments are anywhere near as heated as those old ones were, and you're still talking maybe 5-10 threads out of several hundred which are active at any given time...
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so what picks does everyone use?
I use pink ones
although I have a few green ones too
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so what picks does everyone use?
I use pink ones
although I have a few green ones too
SHUT IT!!!
:P
Sorry.
Transparent blue ones.
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Bone
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Bone
i also use bone but sometimes i also use these
(http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/35731814/1.5mmClassicMini.jpg)
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Here we go again..... :|
And no-one's mentioned Dunlop Jazz IIIs (red or black) yet.....
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See? Now we're discussing gear again and everyone's happy!
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I've never been as active on these forums as many of you but I've been lurking in one form or another since 2006 (I think, pretty shortly after the forum started up anyway). From my perspective, the place hasn't really changed all that much. It's more lighthearted than it was, definitely, but I don't see that as a bad thing. There's probably more bickering than there used to be but it's also a lot busier than it used to be - it's not felt disproportionate to me.
What there maybe is a lot of is reactionary bickering - people making perfectly innocent remarks and getting snapped at by others who jump to the wrong conclusions. It's almost like it's fashionable to think the forum has gone to the dogs and so everybody is convincing themselves that it has. Maybe that's a sign of our collective old age?
Also, as far as politics and religion go - don't forget that some people just enjoy talking about those things, even if it does get a bit heated sometimes. The exact same thing happens with real life friends in the pub, so why is it a problem on here? You don't have to get involved if it's not for you.
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There's probably more bickering than there used to be
NO THERE IS NOT
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I like my picks to be made of ivory or baby Panda femurs.
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Do some people really want to ban off topic in the off topic area?
Really?
I've been trying not to reach this conclusion when reading some past comments but it seems like some do. How would that make things better for anyone?
I hate to throw petrol on this but that attitude seems to epitomise the flavor of many dabates we have in off topic.
Live and let live libertairians vs the "I don't like it so shut it all down, everywhere!" crowd.
I can't believe that off topic discussion that doesn't trespass into gear/guitar areas is so offensive to some.
But then I'm a smoker who smokes taxed fags in the smoking area and a drinker who never gets arrested or goes to A&E in an ambulance... I enjoy off topic with other like minded people and we get along fine even when it get's heated (which is rare).
In essence I'm a nice guy who likes doing things you may not with like minded people!
I'm getting used to everyone thinking they have the right to tell me what to do and how high to jump even when I follow every rule. :?
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P.S.
If you want to talk about classic 80s/90s hard rock/hair metal music. The guitars and gear used by Whitesnake/Winger/Danger Danger/Kiss etc... let's go!
There I have a lot to offer "ON TOPIC" threads - The truth is not many of those ever appear but when they do I'm here to help.
Till then, I read and hang out in "off topic"...
Not everybody lives for PRS, Relic Fenders, Broootalz or Djent... I like what some call cheese or goofy but I don't complain about others.
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Bump to hear Afghan's pick choice
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Wedge
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It's almost like it's fashionable to think the forum has gone to the dogs and so everybody is convincing themselves that it has. Maybe that's a sign of our collective old age?
I don't know about "fashionable", exactly, but you have a point.
I think in some of these recent "forum going downhill" threads people have convinced themselves it's all gone wrong but (IMO) there's not much "evidence" to back it up.
I think there have certainly been more "serious" (for want of a better word) discussions recently, maybe a bit less jolly banter than there used to be.
But to be honest, if anything's been in decline it's the Pickups, Tech etc threads rather than anything off-topic. There are still lots of new threads in those on-topic sections, but not as much input or discussion as there used to be (at least, that's my impression).
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P.S.
If you want to talk about classic 80s/90s hard rock/hair metal music. The guitars and gear used by Whitesnake/Winger/Danger Danger/Kiss etc... let's go!
BRING IT ON!
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But to be honest, if anything's been in decline it's the Pickups, Tech etc threads rather than anything off-topic. There are still lots of new threads in those on-topic sections, but not as much input or discussion as there used to be (at least, that's my impression).
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When I joined mid 2005, i remember every section was bumping. there were less users, yet more in depth input and analyses regarding gear. if i asked a question....more times than not my thread was on the 2nd page in a few hours....with a page or two of great answers and suggestions already in it...
i believe because it was a small group, members felt closer.......just the nature of the beast....bkp took off and now people come on and dont want to stay and join the community, but just want a quick answer and leave. cant blame them, but i have been much less incline to respond to threads just because....
plus the sounds clips basically helped people so they need not post either...
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That and the responses have all too often become like The Gear Page answers - as in 'what cheap delay is for me, I have limited income and want to get a basic echo' and the answer is 'get a wanko echospunk - not cheap but anything less is just shiteeee'. Those type of answers really put me off this forum.
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It's almost like it's fashionable to think the forum has gone to the dogs and so everybody is convincing themselves that it has. Maybe that's a sign of our collective old age?
Also, as far as politics and religion go - don't forget that some people just enjoy talking about those things, even if it does get a bit heated sometimes. The exact same thing happens with real life friends in the pub, so why is it a problem on here? You don't have to get involved if it's not for you.
This is pretty much exactly what it is.
Its rather ironic that we seem to have a recent trend of people that dont like arguing arguing about arguing (well, whining about arguing would be more accurate).
The other thing is when some people dont like the topic of discussion, they will try and derail it with flippant comments about picks or pictures or whatever. Thats just being a child: if people are taking part in a discussion you dont want to take part in, dont take part in it. Dont try and undermine it because its not for you, on a topic you want or in a tone that you like.
Can we just have the basic, common sense, civil and decent practice of talking about the right things in the right places and leaving people alone on the topic of their choices of discussion topic? As long as its civil, whats the problem? I cant for the life of me understand why thats difficult for some poeple.
Harmony central version:
People want to talk about things you dont want to talk about, get the sand out of your vagina and leave them to it.
/harmony central version.
We do have a very long way to go till we can be compared to there ;)
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But to be honest, if anything's been in decline it's the Pickups, Tech etc threads rather than anything off-topic. There are still lots of new threads in those on-topic sections, but not as much input or discussion as there used to be (at least, that's my impression).
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When I joined mid 2005, i remember every section was bumping. there were less users, yet more in depth input and analyses regarding gear. if i asked a question....more times than not my thread was on the 2nd page in a few hours....with a page or two of great answers and suggestions already in it...
i believe because it was a small group, members felt closer.......just the nature of the beast....bkp took off and now people come on and dont want to stay and join the community, but just want a quick answer and leave. cant blame them, but i have been much less incline to respond to threads just because....
plus the sounds clips basically helped people so they need not post either...
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The decline in Players forum is most lamentable. I dont take part as though I record lots, I rarely record BKs any more. If theres any change to the BK board I would like to see, its the addition of a dedicated pure recording board. Toe Knee tried to start one and I tried to help, but it never took off; there may be much more success with one thats actually part of the BK main forum. Make it members only or something, so that visitors just get the BK clips in players (which was a stroke of genius on Tims part).
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Let's be positive here folks, this is the best guitarists forum on the internet and I should know, I've been banned from a few. There's no egos flying round, no one bangs on about how they're better than everyone else, there's a lot of people offering very good advice and a continual undercurrent of humour and good-natured p1ss-taking.
And there's pretty pictures of Stratocasters.
And Telecasters.
And other guitars. But I don't look at those.
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I like it when Philly discusses bands like Quicksand... to be fair I like it when anyone talks about that band.
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I like it when Philly discusses bands like Quicksand... to be fair I like it when anyone talks about that band.
Blimey, I'm amazed you remember me mentioning them! :o
But I'm no expert on that band, I'm afraid. Just had a fairly brief phase a few years back investigating some alternative(?) bands like Quicksand, Rival Schools, Jawbox, Fugazi, Helmet, Handsome and the Rollins Band. I probably shouldn't even be lumping them together like that.
(There we go, that's off-topic....)
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I like it when Philly discusses bands like Quicksand... to be fair I like it when anyone talks about that band.
Blimey, I'm amazed you remember me mentioning them! :o
But I'm no expert on that band, I'm afraid. Just had a fairly brief phase a few years back investigating some alternative(?) bands like Quicksand, Rival Schools, Jawbox, Fugazi, Helmet, Handsome and the Rollins Band. I probably shouldn't even be lumping them together like that.
(There we go, that's off-topic....)
considering helmet, quicksand, and handsome are similiar members I think it ok :P
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and rival schools is pretty much Quicksand too. I met Sergio who played bass in quicksand once. Backstage at brixton academy after Deftones played, since he's playing in Deftones now. I was there with the dude who sang in Burn... ever hear that band? AWESOME band. lets not forget Gorilla Biscuits. Great band also.
Rollins Band is getting played HEAVILY on my ipod at the moment. Would love to write some music in the vein of the bands you just 'lumped together'.
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and rival schools is pretty much Quicksand too. I met Sergio who played bass in quicksand once. Backstage at brixton academy after Deftones played, since he's playing in Deftones now. I was there with the dude who sang in Burn... ever hear that band? AWESOME band. lets not forget Gorilla Biscuits. Great band also.
Rollins Band is getting played HEAVILY on my ipod at the moment. Would love to write some music in the vein of the bands you just 'lumped together'.
big burn fan. also big orange 9mm fan. I remember seeing orange 9mm and hansome
playing several shows together in dive bars here in NYC. man concerts just aren't the same. lol
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Dude. Burn is amazing. Chaka from Burn was living here in London for a while. I jammed some of his songs and we had a band going briefly. It was pretty good. Then the drummer quit and getting something else moving along became hard work, and his situation got complex. we played one show in london. Good guy. I dropped him a line recently as it was his birthday. Him and his missus are out in san francisco now. The band I play in now supported Supertouch in london (love supertouch) and Chaka came out to that. I spoke to his partner about the old NYC shows. Her first show was with Supertouch, and I think her second ever show was a benefit for amnesty at the ritz. she told me she was trying to convince the owner she could sell out that venue by putting on Quicksand, Supertouch, Token Entry etc... and he wouldn't believe her... and then Raybeez from warzone walked past the office and overheard her, and he came in and convinced his boss (he was working at the ritz and the time) that it would all work out.
amazing people. amazing stories. Orange 9mm is also great. The guitarist from that band plays in Bush now I think? Or used to at some point!
EDIT: I have two crystals in my 4x12 cab that Chaka took me shopping for back when he was into Tarot. That is my favourite story about hanging out with Chaka.
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that is a great story..... definitely a cool guy...
there are not a lot of bands today that get me amp'd like those bands.....im going to have to check out rival schools as i've not heard of them....
my mentality is kinda like the h2o song - what happened?........though i guess that goes for every generation....lol..........i was a teenager in the 90's....
h2o - what happened?
When it began, for those who don't know
it didn't matter how you looked or what you wore to a show
dress codes, $%&# NO! we didn't care
about the brand of your jeans and all that shite in your hair
But now the biggest part is all about the image and not the art
Fashion before passion!
And at nights, it makes me mad that I should have to ask:
What happened to the passion? (passion!)
What -happened to- the reason for screaming?
What happened the music and the message that I love?
What happened to the hard work? (hard work!)
And why does everybody look the same?
What happened the music and the message that I love?
And I know, that people change
and we go through different stages in life
and I'm not here to criticize
but the reason I scream, is a feeling inside
But now the biggest part is all about the image and not the art
Fashion before passion!
And at nights, it makes me mad that I should have to ask:
What happened to the passion? (passion!)
What -happened to- the reason for screaming?
What happened the music and the message that I love?
What happened to the hard work? (hard work!)
And why does everybody look the same?
What happened the music and the message that I love?
Lost (1,2,3,4) lifetime ago it seems
you gave up on your wildest dreams
but i refuse to let mine go
I took an oath, you can find me here
with an open heart and ears
refusing to surrender
I can't believe they don't remember
what it feels like to be young
What happened to the passion? (passion!)
What -happened to- the reason for screaming?
What happened the music and the message that I love?
What happened to the hard work? (hard work!)
And why does everybody look the same?
What happened the music and the message that I love?
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Rival Schools have a few songs that originally appear on that collection of Quicksand B-sides and Rarities. which has some BANGERS on it, like Voice Killer and Shovel, and a awesome live version of Baphomet. It's less heavy and more straight up rock, but its good. I haven't heard that latest record but there was a rumour its basically an unreleased Quicksand record or something. dont quote me on that.
I feel you. The H20 song is on point.
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just looked them up. definitely surprised i've not heard of em.....thanks for the heads up!
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Rollins Band is getting played HEAVILY on my ipod at the moment.
Chris Haskett lineup, Jim Wilson one, or both?
I prefer the Haskett stuff. Even though I like the kind of '70s retro rock Mother Superior played I don't think it quite worked with Rollins Band.
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Both. I prefer the Haskett stuff though.
End of Silence, Weight. Nice is ok. I need to hear Get Some Go Again though, but I like the title track of that record.
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But to be honest, if anything's been in decline it's the Pickups, Tech etc threads rather than anything off-topic. There are still lots of new threads in those on-topic sections, but not as much input or discussion as there used to be (at least, that's my impression).
That's not really surprising though, is it? The BKP line is maybe 60-70% the same as it was when the forum was young, something like that? How many new things can you say about the same pickups? Same for tech really, and to a lesser extent guitars, amps & effects.
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Not all of us have the equipment, or the desire, to record our ropey playing for the world. For some of us, talking about gear, not actually playing, can be just as enjoyable :lol:
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But to be honest, if anything's been in decline it's the Pickups, Tech etc threads rather than anything off-topic. There are still lots of new threads in those on-topic sections, but not as much input or discussion as there used to be (at least, that's my impression).
That's not really surprising though, is it? The BKP line is maybe 60-70% the same as it was when the forum was young, something like that? How many new things can you say about the same pickups? Same for tech really, and to a lesser extent guitars, amps & effects.
That's true, but there's still a never-ending flow of new people, even if they're asking the same old questions.
Problem is, we old-timers can't be bothered to answer them any more - so we're contributing to the decline of "on-topic" discussion, like it or not.
Certain former members would answer those threads with a curt "use the Search facility", but I don't think it's really fair to expect someone who's only just arrived on the forum to be able to do that effectively.
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But to be honest, if anything's been in decline it's the Pickups, Tech etc threads rather than anything off-topic. There are still lots of new threads in those on-topic sections, but not as much input or discussion as there used to be (at least, that's my impression).
That's not really surprising though, is it? The BKP line is maybe 60-70% the same as it was when the forum was young, something like that? How many new things can you say about the same pickups? Same for tech really, and to a lesser extent guitars, amps & effects.
That's true, but there's still a never-ending flow of new people, even if they're asking the same old questions.
Problem is, we old-timers can't be bothered to answer them any more - so we're contributing to the decline of "on-topic" discussion, like it or not.
Certain former members would answer those threads with a curt "use the Search facility", but I don't think it's really fair to expect someone who's only just arrived on the forum to be able to do that effectively.
Ive been here since 2005 and i still find the search function to be pretty much useless.
Even after searching you can end up flipping through 5-10 pages of stuff that is unrelated to get to something that is barely related to what you were searching for
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Let's be positive here folks, this is the best guitarists forum on the internet and I should know, I've been banned from a few. There's no egos flying round, no one bangs on about how they're better than everyone else, there's a lot of people offering very good advice and a continual undercurrent of humour and good-natured p1ss-taking.
And there's pretty pictures of Stratocasters.
And Telecasters.
And other guitars. But I don't look at those.
I'm with Frank on this one.
This forum changes with the seasons, who's online, what's happening in the outside world (music related or not). But basically it's the same place...
I'm not as active as I was a while back - I've got less I want to say and, perhaps more relevant, less I feel that I need to know or find out about now. I suspect many feel much the same as me. It's no problem, though, I post when I feel moved to do so or have something useful to pass on.
On here, I get music stuff and I get drivel (both serious and amusing) from folks who I know are into the same thing as me - music and guitars. That's good in my book. I also get to watch the odd argument and people getting worked up because they're misunderstanding each other - that's quite entertaining too (once I'd learnt that it's unlikely they'll listen to each other just because of anything I can type)...
Some people move on, and some of them want to slam the door when they do. So what? The rest of us are still here, we might miss them, but it's up to them. By the way, has anyone else noticed that, in general, the folk who go loudly have often been quite crochety (and therefore slightly less pleasant to be around) leading up to their departure? Someone said earlier (DMoney, I think) that this is the internet, not the real world. We're not seeing the real people here - we've all got big stuff happening to us in the real world, and we all bring that in here to a greater or lesser extent. It has a different effect on different people, depending on what they think they're getting out of this place. If someone p1sses me off (either directly, or through how they're talking to someone else), I try to take into account that there's a real human-being there somewhere, just like me, with a bunch of pressures they don't want and no f@cker listening to them in the real world...
But basically, (leaving aside the help and advice side of things for a moment) this place is an escape from our other sh1t. When your chosen escape ends up being part of your "other sh1t", that's when you have to move on. It happens to us all sooner or later.
It's a cool place, it's friendly, it works. For me, it ain't broke. :D
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^ +1. also the more i learn the less i think i know so i'm less confident about replying and making suggestions about gear (that's probably a good thing for the forum :lol: ).
+1 on afghan dave's great post a couple of pages back.
+1 on mark's post as well. I happen to *like* the off-topic and politics threads. I also think i manage to stay reasonably civil, too.
i don't see why a few other people who want it banned should get to stop them when they claim it's adversely affecting the forum, when for plenty of others like me, banning it would adversely affect the forum.
I also want to see proof, as many other people have asked for (ironically enough, or maybe not so ironically, it's often the ones who have been here the longest who think this place hasn't changed all that much), that this place actually is getting any worse. I don't think it is (or at least, if it is, it's not because of the off-topic stuff).
oh and i use 1.5mm gator grips
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Oh yeah, I forgot, Dunlop nylon thingies (.88 I think)
I don't think anyone's actually asking for anything to be banned, have they? Or did I miss it? :lol:
If I did, I vote for no banning....
And while we're at it, I want to be allowed to smoke in the pickups and guitar forums... oh, I do already - I forgot... (you're all gonna die cos of me and my anti-social thoughtlessness!! :lol:)
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yeah that's true (the banned thing). sorry if i implied they had. it was just easier to type "banned" than, "said they didn't really like it that much and didn't like the forum as much as a result"
:lol:
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I think we all go through phases, really. Some of us constantly buying gear are probably going to be more drawn to the gear forums. I'm skint, and unlikely to be otherwise for some time, so I tend to look at the nice pictures in there but chat in the off-topic forums. Keeping your foot in as it were and seeing what people are up to. One day I'll be buying another guitar or an amp or whatever, and I'll be back in the gear ones contributing rather than lurking.
And like dave_mc says above, I don't think there's anything wrong with liking the off-topic ones more, or even the more serious threads within them. We're all grown-ups and don't take the huff (or at least for more than a couple posts) even if it might read like it's hostile on occasion (which I think is very rare). Plus we're a slightly odd peer group. There's one major interest that pulls us together but the demographic is very scattered that aside. So it's interesting to see what folks think about stuff.
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Some thoughts:
I for one can't afford much gear at the moment due to the downturn and am not really posting so much as in better times. I assume this is the case for others.
We've discussed alot of the common topics a few times now already - Tim's not really expanding the range at the rate we discuss the pickups (how could he ;) ) so with the search function and so on, less gear posts. Its a bit boring to read similar 'which pickup threads', though I do respond to a few of them, but not most of them as I used to.
My music 'mood' is shifting from guitar based music back to using synths and samplers to make car alarm noises.
Maybe due to a combination of all of these things my tonal search feels like its coming to an end. A strat, a V, a couple of pedals and a Marshall or Sansamp will keep me happy! I do have this forum to thank in part to turning me around to strats, which I really like now.
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I think I only ever read the off topic posts now, occasionally going into the gear forums. I'm not really that interested in guitar gear any more, I just play my guitars every few days and that's about it! cba to pore over the latest gear etc like I used to.
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Orange 9mm,Burn,Quicksand,Gorilla Biscuits.......................... :o :o :o......where the f@ck have I been never heard of any of these
Oh and I use blue thingys for plecs Steel Hammer it says on them(dont ask) but they work fine for me, like the bands above never heard of these found them on some site ages ago
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Orange 9mm,Burn,Quicksand,Gorilla Biscuits.......................... :o :o :o......where the f@ck have I been never heard of any of these
Don't worry... Philly made one of them up to sound cool and hip... Dmoney and Shag called his bluff by inventing a a whole load of others to go with it... all three threw in a couple of real bands to throw you off the scent (not sure which ones are which, myself)...
They're really talking about the Dave Clark Five and Tony Hatch...
Can't fool me, chaps :D
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if you don't know, then now you know!
Orange 9mm (The Chaka fella i was on about on vocals)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xearzoqI3KY
Burn (also with Chaka on vocals)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDziGhe4408
Rival Schools
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcRt7kkzcxM
Quicksand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XstH23RYOA&feature=relmfu
Handsome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCoOMDo61k8
Gorilla Biscuits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8T5nOeozTU
Helmet (pretty much invented drop d tuning)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKjlqX2vjB4
(I think you can link all those band via various members)
Rollins Band (Liar. the classic. There are tracks I like more but this is one most are familiar with. jazzy!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaysTVcounI
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Rival Schools had a sorta comeback album last year didn't they? A pal sent me a track to transcribe for him, I expected port-hardcore and got dreadful, whiney indie drivel. Awful.
I like Gorilla Biscuits. Never got on with Helmet or Rollins Band.
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I prefer the GB 7" to the LP. But the LP has its place for sure, and its pretty influential.
Rival Schools for me is hit & miss. The early stuff was unused Quicksand tracks from when Quicksand started going a bit softer. They have a totally unreleased LP I think, which you can download if you're inclined. They did just put out a new record, but the first promo video for it was for a track off the Quicksand rarities collection thats been kicking about... so just how 'new' some of that stuff is, i don't know. Confusing! Helmet have some bangers, as do Rollins Band, but then Rollins Band have tracks with funk/soul diva backing vocals....
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Of those bands I like Helmet and Rollins Band the best, although both somewhat tailed off in quality on their later albums. I had really high expectations of Handsome, but the album only had a couple of standout tracks IMO.
I remember Helmet being quite a shock to me, back in my Kerrang!-reading days. I'm sure they weren't the first band of their type, but I'd never seen a short-haired "metal" band before, I didn't know what to make of it :lol: . Then I bought Meantime and was blown away by it.
Of course a couple of years later everyone had cut their hair off, for a while. Then they grew it back again.
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Agreed. I couldn't get into that whole Handsome LP. Tom Capone came over with Fearless Vampire Killers (Cro-Mags) a while ago and some of my friends complained about his guitar playing, but they don't really like his playing on anything. When they came back the brought AJ Novello from leeway. That guy is a great player.
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Are you following all this, Keith? :lol:
Thanks for posting those links, Dmoney. I'll see if I can sneak time this evening to check them out to see what you guys are on about. I've heard of someone called Henry Rollins - is there any connection with the Rollins Band? Otherwise it's all way over my head at the moment :lol:
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Agreed. I couldn't get into that whole Handsome LP. Tom Capone came over with Fearless Vampire Killers (Cro-Mags) a while ago and some of my friends complained about his guitar playing, but they don't really like his playing on anything. When they came back the brought AJ Novello from leeway. That guy is a great player.
Were you ever into Life of Agony? I think Keith Caputo is a great singer/songwriter but I always thought they were let down a bit by Joey Z, he always seemed a distinctly "average" guitar player (not that I'm in a position to judge!)
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Thanks for posting those links, Dmoney. I'll see if I can sneak time this evening to check them out to see what you guys are on about. I've heard of someone called Henry Rollins - is there any connection with the Rollins Band? Otherwise it's all way over my head at the moment :lol:
Yes Andy, same bloke. He was previously in Black Flag.
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I love Life Of Agony. River Runs Red is a great Record. Ugly and Soul Searching Sun have great moments too. Like Lost at 22 and Angry Tree. I think the bassist wrote a lot of their stuff originally and then Keith had more influence with song writing later. I might be wrong though. Keith Caputo is now Mina Caputo, in case you hadn't heard about that. I think LOA as a whole was awesome but I can understand an argument suggesting it was greater than the sum of the parts, perhaps. They tailed off as well. I don't like many things about Broken Valley.
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I love Life Of Agony. River Runs Red is a great Record. Ugly and Soul Searching Sun have great moments too.
Yeah, I like all three of those albums. I don't think they ever did an album which was absolutely blinding from beginning to end, but the good stuff is very good indeed.
Keith Caputo is now Mina Caputo, in case you hadn't heard about that.
I had no idea until just now! Doesn't totally surprise me - there was always something "different" about him, he seemed very vulnerable for a rock singer. I wondered if it was a sexual identity thing.... turned out it was a gender identity thing!
They tailed off as well. I don't like many things about Broken Valley.
I'd forgotten about that one, only played it once. Now that I think about it, the CD had some kind of embedded software which totally $%&#ed up my computer. :?
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Broken Silicon Valley!
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Are you following all this, Keith?
Mmmmmmmmmmmm interesting liked some things but most not my cup of tea...............I am after all an old git that being Classic Rock era.
Thanks for the education anyway, at least I can be cool if anyone throws these bands up in conversation :D :D
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I just found my old Black Flag LPs in my loft - Now you mention Rollins I might take them down and give them a spin...
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Mmmmmmmmmmmm interesting liked some things but most not my cup of tea...............I am after all an old git that being Classic Rock era.
Me too! I'll be 48 this year.....
Have to admit I've pretty much stopped keeping up with new music now. In fact I'm regressing to listening to '70s stuff nearly all the time. Which isn't really a bad thing, but I do feel I should make some effort to be aware of what's going on.
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Mmmmmmmmmmmm interesting liked some things but most not my cup of tea...............I am after all an old git that being Classic Rock era.
Me too! I'll be 48 this year.....
Have to admit I've pretty much stopped keeping up with new music now. In fact I'm regressing to listening to '70s stuff nearly all the time. Which isn't really a bad thing, but I do feel I should make some effort to be aware of what's going on.
Everything I listen to these days that's modern tends to sound like it was made in the 70's anyhow... :oops:
Coming up on 40, so it's not really my era, but I had an older brother and I listened to all his records so I was brought up on Rainbow, Sabbath, Purple, AC/DC, Kiss and the like. I find myself playing all the old albums more and more and complaining that they don't make music like they used to...
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Everything I listen to these days that's modern tends to sound like it was made in the 70's anyhow... :oops:
Coming up on 40, so it's not really my era, but I had an older brother and I listened to all his records so I was brought up on Rainbow, Sabbath, Purple, AC/DC, Kiss and the like. I find myself playing all the old albums more and more and complaining that they don't make music like they used to...
This is EXACTLY how my girlfriend says I am too! :lol:
She's always making some comment about how everyone I listen to is dead.
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Everything I listen to these days that's modern tends to sound like it was made in the 70's anyhow... :oops:
Coming up on 40, so it's not really my era, but I had an older brother and I listened to all his records so I was brought up on Rainbow, Sabbath, Purple, AC/DC, Kiss and the like. I find myself playing all the old albums more and more and complaining that they don't make music like they used to...
shitee, even I got those strong tendencies...and I am coming up on 21 for f*cks sake^^
In my case it´s my fathers fault (he is a few years over 50 now). Had me grow up with Jethro Tull, Black Sabath (rocked that before I could walk!), Uria Heep, etc. plus some classical music at times, so that very much formed me. Combine that with the ocasional breakfast radio that played only every the same pop songs for middle aged calm people and you got my taste. The rock thing did by far the most though, the rest just lend me a certain openness and occasional stroll into the pop world which can come in handy with songwriting. And I love powerpalads!
I really listen to a lot of different stuff though nearly all genres, but my main taste is still old school rock and metal, or at least things that are stronly infused with that.
With that taste you can imagine how I was kinda strange in that regard growing up. From first class to now, always the same basic shite. Everyone listens to chart music, gansta rap, etc and I (with some exeptions) listen to Iron Maiden, Metallica, Apocalyptica, Dream Theater and all that, sometimes even on vinyl....
Everytime I talked with someone about music I felt real old, even at the age of 10 xD
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another to add to the list is
Both Worlds - Memory Rendered Visible.......apperences by Keith Caputo and Chaka Malik
Life of agony is one of my favorite bands......keith caputo is one of my favorite singers.
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another to add to the list is
Both Worlds - Memory Rendered Visible.......apperences by Keith Caputo and Chaka Malik
Life of agony is one of my favorite bands......keith caputo is one of my favorite singers.
I was going to mention Both Worlds. Wasn't AJ Novello in Both Worlds too? He's a guitar hero of mine. I don't think I like ALL of the Both Worlds stuff though. It's cool though. Mike Dijan is also a beast. Breakdown, Crown Of Thornz, Cold Front... I'm also gonna drop Inside Out. AWESOME band. Shag, did you ever have a rat tail and go to Shelter shows?
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Shelter yes....rat tail no... :lol:
got the nickname shag since i was long haired and scruffy looking like shaggy from scooby doo...
crown of thornz hey......now that is a great band.....
Revelation Records had a lot of great bands...
b4 the internet, going to shows and looking at the back of a cd for special thanks where how i found my music..
bands i currently have on the ipod now are......(really need to get a bigger ipod)
agnostic front
billy club sandwich
blood for blood
breakdown
bulldoze
burn
by the grace of god
comeback kid
converge
cromags
crown of thornz
district 9
dri
earth crisis
fifty nine times the pain
glassjaw
grade
grey area
h20
handsome
hatebreed
icepick
ignite
indecision
integrity
irate
judge
madball
mean season
mickeys crew
most precious blood
murphys law
negative male child
no redeeming social value
one king down
orange 9mm
pennywise
punch your face
quicksand
reach the sky
ringworm
roger miret and the disasters
screeching weasel
shai hulud
shelter
sick of it all
skarhead
snapcase
still life (ny band)
street dogs
strife
strung out
sum of all fears
sworn enemy
terror
thrice
throwndown
vision of disorder (vod rules)
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25 ta life
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Wot? No Donny, Sarah Brightman, or Barry Manilow at all? My wife will be so upset for you.... :lol:
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I'm more impressed that I don't recognise a single band on that list... Someone else did this to me at work recently with their pod. I think that's when I realised that I'd become old.
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^ you and me both mate!
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+2 :?
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I don't think you need to worry about not knowing these bands. That said, sometimes I feel like people should perhaps be aware of a couple depending on their musical taste. Within Hardcore Punk its impossible to say how influential some of those band have been. For example Cro-Mags, massively influential. As are Agnostic Front, Integrity, Bulldoze, Judge, Earth x Crisis, strife etc... I'd be willing to say some of these bands as responsible for some of the sub genres of heavy music even existing today like metalcore or djent... whatever.
Very few of those bands are really current though right? Some that still exist have been around a long time too. I guess this reflects the H20 lyrics you posted though. My friends band was going to be tour support for H20 in europe once, because one of em sort of knew Toby Morse. But they couldn't because another band paid to be on the tour. That was wacky. especially for a tour like that.
I love a lot of bands on that list. Blood for Blood.classic. Did you ever notice that the quote under my posts is from Vendetta by Irate?
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I'm more impressed that I don't recognise a single band on that list... Someone else did this to me at work recently with their pod. I think that's when I realised that I'd become old.
I recognised 21 of the band names on that list - not saying I've actually heard all of those 21, but most.
I'm assuming the ones I know are the ones who've been around longest.
I'm starting to feel rejuvenated! :lol:
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yeah few are current.....gotta find some new music...lol
actually kind of sad that i did not hear about the bad brains , h20 show...
i heard bad brains is going to play their first 3 albums.....the ones before they got rasta inspired...lol
now tix are going for over 200 usd..... :(
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I'm more impressed that I don't recognise a single band on that list... Someone else did this to me at work recently with their pod. I think that's when I realised that I'd become old.
I recognised 21 of the band names on that list - not saying I've actually heard all of those 21, but most.
I'm assuming the ones I know are the ones who've been around longest.
I'm starting to feel rejuvenated! :lol:
I only recognised a few... and then I realised that's only because they'd already been mentioned in this thread... :roll:
I have learnt something though - a lot of modern metal or heavy stuff has always sounded, to me anyway, more like what I'd think of as punk... (but I've kept me trap shut all these years in case I'm being daft)
From what Dmoney's said, though, it turns out that this impression could be far from daft :D
And thinking about it, I remember seeing Fast Eddie's last tour with Motorhead (Iron Fist, 1980/81?), and half the audience were punks - kind of threw me at first. But Motorhead were probably more "punk" than most of the bands that were getting punk hits in the charts around then!
Strange... I've never been that into punk, definitely not into modern metal/heavy... but this little thread de-railment has opened up a connection that could possibly get me the ears to appreciate both. But... can I get the energy to take the blues-rock and easy-listening CDs out of the multi-changer though? :lol:
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one band that is fairly new that I like is Cancerslug. they are a horror punk band but not laughable like most.
tales of a butcher is good to start with as it is their best quality recording.
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My fave NYHC (well NJ) band was and remains Adrenalin OD.....
Just thought you might like to know that :?
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well, one band mention (Rollins Band) have a huge blues influence. There is also a big vein of blues running through a bunch of Poison Idea stuff, who are were/are very much punk.
Funny you should mentioned motorhead. There is an interview I've seen with Lemmy where he talks about bands not being "real" or legit or something, and he says one band Motorhead toured with that were really on point was Cro-Mags. There are photos of Harley from Cro-Mags chilling with Joe Strummer in the back of CBGB's when Harley is like, 12 years old or something. (least I think I've seen that!)
I'd love to see Bad Brains, but I wouldn't pay that. It's not like it was back in the day but still. I love most of their records including Build A Nation and God Of Love. They have HUGE riffs even if the vocals styles sort of... changed!
If you want something current to check out, you probably know em anyway, but listen to Wisdom In Chains,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbgxQQjq-Y - latest video I think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKrmw8Kb1I0 - a song about discovering hardcore by seeing Sick Of It All.
big oi! influence as well as metal and hardcore etc... Richie and Joe are two of the nicest guys I've met in recent years.
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My fave NYHC (well NJ) band was and remains Adrenalin OD.....
Just thought you might like to know that :?
I've not heard of that band before but I like it, just checked it out!
I think my fave NJ band would be a toss up between Fury Of Five and E Town.
I like Floorpunch though, and those 'shore style' bands around a number of years ago.
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I have learnt something though - a lot of modern metal or heavy stuff has always sounded, to me anyway, more like what I'd think of as punk... (but I've kept me trap shut all these years in case I'm being daft)
From what Dmoney's said, though, it turns out that this impression could be far from daft :D
But then, when we start bandying around terms like "punk" it's just as broad as "metal" (and almost as broad as "rock" :lol: )
For me, there's a significant distinction between the hardcore (if that's the right term....!) bands being discussed here and the original UK punk bands or that dreadful modern pop-punk.
If someone says "punk" the first thing I think of is that very fast, constant beat - made for pogoing to! It's loud, aggressive music, but it doesn't really have any power - in fact it's pretty lightweight. Whereas the hardcore stuff has bigger riffs and much stronger rhythms/grooves - so to me it's more like metal in that respect, which is why I like it.
Plus (apropos of nothing) some of these guys - certainly Helmet and the Rollins Band, for example - are seriously good musicians.
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well, one band mention (Rollins Band) have a huge blues influence.
Black Flag's My War has a clear Black Sabbath influence - there were quite a few punk bands that went doomy for a while. Another band who I really loved with a Sabbath theme was Corrosion of Conformity - but before they learnt how to play and became a metal band (i.e. up to the Technocracy album). Their version of Green Manalishi on Eye for an Eye ruled...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sa7WGzfxV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbQOBu_rlZ8&feature=related
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You'll be happy about this then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW7tTy_ln1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wED_1Ge6LVg
Shame I prefer them with Pep...
This was my first introduction to Green Manalishi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRW-qrEHZjE
Had no idea it was a Fleetwood Mac song at the time...
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well, one band mention (Rollins Band) have a huge blues influence.
Black Flag's My War has a clear Black Sabbath influence - there were quite a few punk bands that went doomy for a while. Another band who I really loved with a Sabbath theme was Corrosion of Conformity - but before they learnt how to play and became a metal band (i.e. up to the Technocracy album). Their version of Green Manalishi on Eye for an Eye ruled...
Yeah sludge is where you see the best of the punk and Sabbath influence together. Really I suppose it's pretty much Black Flag and Black Sabbath. COC, EYEHATEGOD, Neurosis, Crowbar, Iron Monkey, Acid Bath, Buzzov*enMelvins, Big Business, Mistress (well, it went from punkier to grindier over time), newer stuff like Torche, Kylesa and the ones that got all proggy like Isis, Cult of Luna and Pelican. Lots of great stuff.
And obviously the smash up of metal and punk gets you grindcore and black metal. Which are the bestest things evers.
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This is a hard post to answer without being guilty of exactly what you're complaining about... ;)
that.
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My fave NYHC (well NJ) band was and remains Adrenalin OD.....
Just thought you might like to know that :?
I've not heard of that band before but I like it, just checked it out!
I think my fave NJ band would be a toss up between Fury Of Five and E Town.
I like Floorpunch though, and those 'shore style' bands around a number of years ago.
lots of cool jersey bands..two of my favorites are
25 ta life and lifetime
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I forgot about lifetime. Kid Dynamite... that was a cool band.
I always thought 25 Ta Life were from NY. That said, I haven't actually listened to them much, on account of all the kind of crazy stories I hear about Rick Ta Life. Now there is a character!
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I forgot about lifetime. Kid Dynamite... that was a cool band.
I always thought 25 Ta Life were from NY. That said, I haven't actually listened to them much, on account of all the kind of crazy stories I hear about Rick Ta Life. Now there is a character!
I guess its a mix of NY and NJ.. Rick ta life was from NJ and sold all merchandise out of his house...still have an original 25 ta life windbreaker that i sport..
yeah he is a character...but also a very cool dude....
pretty much all those bands were cool back in the day.....the message was usually about friendship and loyalty....everyone looked out for each other...
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There's a great bunch of people here and I've got loads from the forum. But... as a heads up it can be hard to join in with the in-crowd at times. That's part of why I don't really post here anymore. The other part, quite frankly, is there are a few evangelist, know it-alls that have to give a diatriabe in every thread :lol:
Yet... here I am lurking haha 8)
As far as the gear V's off-topic chat goes, the lack of really tech talk is one of it's stronger points haha
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I'm going to do what I always do on such threads, post a picture of a hot lady with a guitar to bring some perspective - too much perspective maybe...
(http://www.garykramerguitar.com/images/lindseynew.jpg)
bloody awful guitar, but who cares when she's holding it (ahem) - cue smutty response from Afghan Dave :lol: