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« on: August 12, 2005, 04:15:52 AM »
okay so my Guitar thread did better then I thought it would- thank you guys- my topics just disapear on the Seymour Duncan board- becuase just about everybody there hates me, lol. You guys are very cool here though \m/

but so now im curious--

How is your sound- tone? Is it very Rich- Harmonically? does it sound huge and over the top or is it fake and tiny sounding?

For me- I sound very fake- I think anyway. Its not bad at all but compared to when I go to guitar center and play through a marshall half stack or something it makes my gear at home sound small.
And i'm using an all Tube peavey head and 4x12 but with a pedal cuz the 2 distortion channels sound like cr@p.

alright how about you guys?

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2005, 07:06:57 AM »
I'm still on my quest, I like a big harmonically rich lead tone, not too much gain, like a modded Marshall, not too much bass, and it must be tight bass punch. I'm not quite there, I can't get a 412 into my stuio loft....and the 50w Marshalls area touch loose in the bass.

CLean is a lot harder, a nice full clean tone is very hard to get.

I think all guitarists are constantly searching for sonic heaven (or hell) there's allways something outthere that sounds different, for better or worse!
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2005, 01:10:32 PM »
As you can tell by the number of different pickups and guitars I have, I am always looking to see if I can get the magic tone  :D

I like the driven mellow blues tone sometimes, but at others I like to have a brighter sound, it depends on whzt I am playing.  I always want to hear harmonic feedback when the note rings.  However I don't want to blow out my ears, and where I live I can't turn up too much because of neighbours.  

Also I want a crunchy but clear rhythm sound sometimes, then others I want really clean.  The only way I can get all these is with different amps!  The best compromise for the lead and rhythm is either my Marshall Silver Jubilee combo with Sidewinder speaker or my McIntyre Bluesmaster head with a custom 4x8 cab.  For clean, I have 2 Fender Princeton Reverbs, one is a stock blackface but has a mojotone ceramic speaker.  The other is heavily modified by John McIntyre into a 'Prince of Wails' (it was an article he wrote for guitar player).  This has 5881 power tubes, 2 mid range controls and too many other knobs and switches to play with.  It uses a Celestion Vintage 30 speaker.  It has an amazing lead tone but is way too loud for me to use.  When it is turned down it has a great clean tone.  I know why Neil Young uses the motorised knob turner ( :!: ) for his Deluxe.  There are a tremendous number of sounds in it - but getting them takes ages.

The closest I ever got was many years ago when I had an old small box Marshall 50 with an 8x10 cab.  I was using a junior with it and the whole combo rocked.  However I was young at the time, and could only afford to change things if I traded them, so it is long gone.

One problem is always volume.  To get a great rhythm sound I think you have to be loud.  I was thinking of trying one of the closed box speaker designs.  Years ago we used to put think foam over the cabinets, with a small hole cut for the mic.  I haven't tried this in a long time, perhaps I should give it a go again.

One thing that has really helped me is meeting Tim and getting Bare Knuckle pickups (this is really not sucking up   :wink: ).  The openness of the scatter wind has really made me play humbuckers a lot more and has got me very close to where I want - in fact the new Abraxas is probably there.  Now all I need to do is play better  :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2005, 03:10:47 PM »
I'm a believer in the theory that a fair amout of 'tone' comes from your fingers. After that, I like a very simple setup: tube amp head set to where it's just overdriving, OD pedal in front of it driving it to distortion, and a boost pedal in the FX loop.

As far a pickups go, I like a bridge humbucker and single coil neck.

For effects, I play without reverb or delay -- just guitar, OD, and amp. Sometimes I use a BOSS noise supressor to get rid of noise.

Now, as for the actual sound I'm shooting for, I guess I would say it's a cross between the classic 80s LA metal tone with a dash of the powermetal sound invented by one Kai Hanson from Helloween. I prefer a sound that's gainy, but not over-distorted - you should be able to hear the actual guitar around the distortion. Think of Ratt's Out of the Cellar,  or Dokken's Tooth And Nail type of sound on steroids.

BKPs have gone a long way in terms of the S I Z E of my guitar sound -- I think it sounds much larger, more focused, and has more resolution.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
One thing you have to realize is when you listen to a commercial recording of a guitar, there's a LOT going on at different stages to make that sound. It's virtually impossible to recreate a studio console's vintage EQ, compression, and other top notch effects used in creating a guitar sound, and that's without considering the microphone's make/model/position.

I thought I had a decent guitar tone until we started mixing and I was able to put all the guitar tracks through a Pultec EQ ... it really helped tranform my sound! If somone wanted to mimic that sound, they would not only need the guitar and amp I used, but the EQ, too.

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2005, 04:50:21 PM »
:D Yep have to agree there guys the problem allways seems to be getting a great sound in the studio.
you should also remember that most guitarist double/triple track there rythem guitars in order to thicken out the sound.
Me personnaly i come from the KISS school of thought [ Keep It Simple Stupid] guitar, amp, simple array of effects nothing to complex. i`ve recentley receieved my Sheldon TT3 great amp by the way thanks for the recomendation HJM.  8)  mind you it`s found out all the flaws in my playing !!  :roll:
BKP`s have made a big difference to my sound i can get a greater tone range more real treble tighter mids or bottom depending on what P/U`s you get.
i prefer my P/U`s to give me a more middle sound & the woods of my guitars to give a more warmer/bottom end sound so i can use the P/U`s to boost the midrange without loosing to much bottom from the whole thing overall wether this actually works or not is another matter LOL  i`ll let you no/hear when i get my custom build from Feline !  :D

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2005, 06:12:56 PM »
Big, bassy and thick on overdrive/distortion. Full bodied and bright on clean. My sound is influenced by AC/DC, Metallica and Brian Setzer so it's a mix of the three.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2005, 06:44:23 PM »
My tone is apparently getting worse by the day! :lol:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3914116/681_second_solo.mp3.html

Sounded good on my headphones when I was recording it... I just listened to it on some speakers and it sounds constipated  :shock:

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2005, 07:11:26 PM »
I think "perfect" (obviously a subjective term) tone is unattainable. Whenever I get anywhere close to what I am after, it seems that after a while my ears have got used to it and I find it  not quite what I want after  all and so I go on again. I kind of like that idea. I tend to go for cleanish tones. I used to use nothing but my Strat bridge pickup- then I went for the in between (bridge/mid) but these days I tend to stick to the neck. The shifting sands of tone eh?
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2005, 07:22:58 PM »
Mine is basically the same as HJM's.  Only with single coils.

I like my lead to be soaring and compressed, much like Vai's, and my lead tones to be full and rich, with lots of character, something the Ashdown doesn't give me atm.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2005, 07:52:02 PM »
Quote from: HJM
I'm still on my quest, I like a big harmonically rich lead tone, not too much gain, like a modded Marshall, not too much bass, and it must be tight bass punch. I'm not quite there, I can't get a 412 into my stuio loft....and the 50w Marshalls area touch loose in the bass.

CLean is a lot harder, a nice full clean tone is very hard to get.

I think all guitarists are constantly searching for sonic heaven (or hell) there's allways something outthere that sounds different, for better or worse!


your tone description sounds alot like what I'm after haha. I want Tims JCM800 if its still for sale, but I dont think I can afford that AND a new guitar hahaha

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2005, 07:54:43 PM »
I've always preferred a really thick, natural grinding distortion tone as opposed to a processed glossy saturated 'flat' sound (!) such as that of Pantera.
As for clean tones, which I use most of the time, I have to admit I've never had a particular sound in mind. For a while I could never imagine a better clean tone than the one I had until I heard one, the advantage of which being that I was always happy! Nowadays I flirt between full SM neck humbucker and split SM neck humbucker. And split bridge Nailbomb, which really shouldn't sound good but it does to me.
I'd say with my current set up I can get quite a full, airy, warm responsive clean tone and a distortion tone which is pretty close to the ideal I described above. Bought my first ever pedal just yesterday, a Fulltone OCD, which has a much smoother and more rounded distortion tone than my amp's, and an excellent mild overdrive sound. Unfortunately the extra 10ft of cable in the line seems to have resulted in a muddying of my clean humbucking tone, so I'm back to using splits.

There's a great interview with Tom Morello in the latest Guitarist magazine, in which he states that if he'd had the opportunity to buy all the nice gear he'd wanted when RATM started, he would have ended up with a technically 'better' sound.....which was just like everybody elses. I'm all for looking for different guitars and amps which may not sound 'better' but which not many other people have, just to try to sound different, whatever that sounds like.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2005, 10:49:17 AM »
Not ecxactly the sort of answer you want, but...  It's pretty much whatever I feel like on the day.

Sometimes thick and sludgy, sometimes trebly and biting. and all places between (That is the beauty of having a pod)
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2005, 02:18:31 PM »
I've got the tone I want in my head, I can't explain it but I can tell when something gets me closer to that tone.

After getting my BKp VHII's (which are awesome guys, thanks so much  :D ) I think I've captured 110% of my ideal tone on the pickup side of things, all I need to do now is to finish assembling my custom guitar and start handwiring a vintage marshall to my spec. I'm buying a plexi RI, taking out the board and replacing it with one I've handwired, and I'll be tweaking every little component to capture the tone I'm after.

Hopefully this should all be done by october/november  :lol:

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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2005, 06:02:05 PM »
I'm still messing with the EQs on my amp. But i can get some great sounds with the MM/TS Bkps. I do like that woody organic sound as well and really cool clean sounds like you hear on all that early 1970's NYC Funk. Ben as a New Yorker how do you get that wah wah clean on Shaft?
I found some new tones from my amp on Saturday. If I switch to Triode (Half Power) which as around 60 W and use maximum power soak on the loadbox, which takes it to 1% of 60w and crank the volume on the clean pre-amp it's like the 60's sound! A natural cooking overdrive! Back on Penthode (Full Power) still with 1% power soak you get the head room back and if you need it louder with no break up simply reduce the amount of power soak or attenuation :o  to use its correct term :D

I like full on distortion sounds as well as milder woody and organic sounding ones. I do like them bass heavy too.  My taste in music kind of turns me on to different tones. I like so many different styles. That was my main concern when I bought my new amp. I.E can I cover all the styles I like. Well, with the different BKP's I'd say yes, with a maybe a tasty overdrive pedal or two just to make sure! I've never had multi effects until this year, when I bought a Yamaha Magicstomp. I went silly with it really and it effects the way you play with too much going on IMHO

Do those Hotplates that a lot you guys are getting have recording outputs?
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2005, 06:26:33 PM »
Quote from: Bainzy
I've got the tone I want in my head, I can't explain it but I can tell when something gets me closer to that tone.

After getting my BKp VHII's (which are awesome guys, thanks so much  :D ) I think I've captured 110% of my ideal tone on the pickup side of things, all I need to do now is to finish assembling my custom guitar and start handwiring a vintage marshall to my spec. I'm buying a plexi RI, taking out the board and replacing it with one I've handwired, and I'll be tweaking every little component to capture the tone I'm after.

Hopefully this should all be done by october/november  :lol:


That sounds like a cool project!! Let us all know how it turns out!
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