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NUNO BETTENCOURT sounds off on LED ZEP haters
« on: December 20, 2007, 02:03:48 PM »
Taken from http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/ , Nuno sounds off on all the LED ZEP hating and speculation, copied here in its entirety:  





 "Stop It !     Just Stop It !     Enough!
    All of you writing these negative letters in regards to Led Zeppelin, should be ashamed of yourselves. Who the $%&# are you to assume or pretend to know WHY Robert Plant….Jimmy Page…and John Paul Jones…  at this point in their lives are Jamming together.
    maybe it was just time….maybe they wanted a last run before they go.
    maybe at the rehearsals for this benefit they got turned on by the  magic and chemistry they have forgotten and secretly craved for so many years…and now realiz that they are not getting any younger and they should put they’re differences aside and go out and have some fun…    it’s a stretch? but possible.
    maybe they wanna rock.
    maybe they need to rock.
    Maybe it’s for the money?.    But That’s none of our business….our business as fans is to rock with them.

    Upset about The Money?….If that was the case..than you should punish them for all the previous tours they did back in the day……Cause they were raking it in….Private Jets, Limo’s, 5 star hotels..not to mention the merch….What did you think ? that they weren’t thinking about money back then?  They were doing it only for us?  And so they should get paid….they are one of the biggest rock band this earth has ever seen…only the Beatles who were obviously massive , could create this much havoc and excitement on a reunion. They deserve every $%&#ing penny.  This is LED ZEPPELIN…They are true Rock and Roll royalty.
     
    And you do have the right to NOT go see them.
    but don’t be like those pompous assholes who picket movies…calling the film blasphemis and disrespectable…that when asked if they had seen the movie they are boycotting..they say "NO…i don’t need to see it…i just know."  That is just ignorance speaking.
    What ever the reason for hating on these guys …i just can’t believe i read…
    "i don’t want them to $%&# with my memories"?
    THEY….. gave you those $%&#ing memories.
    for that reason alone if you are a true Zep fan…You owe them at least the respect to not criticize them for wanting to Rock and Roll again…What’s so wrong with that?  Zep has always played by their own rules.
    Instead we as fans should be estatic to get a chance to celebrate with them and show them how much we appreciate what they have left behind for us.
    They were the most played soundtrack to our lives…The bad times that they got us through..And the parties they hosted for us…just by dropping that needle.
    Not to mention how much they have influenced musicians.

    And Why is it so wrong just  to simply sit in a venue and share some beautiful music with them …maybe one last time before they die…hell…before we all die.
    Why are there so many rules…Rock and Roll has NO RULES!  Where did these regulations come from? They are betraying us? Is Jimmy Page is really Osama Bin Laden?  Led Zeppelin backwards is really Al Queda?
    They are a Rock and Roll band…Don’t crusify them for wanting to Rock…

    Yeah …i know it’s gonna be different….No shite….there’s No Bonzo….No Shiny dragon outfit….No sock stuffed down Plants pants…..well, i can’t be sure about that one….But it wont be as crazy as it was was when they were coming to Boston garden and cars and trains were being flipped over and destroyed..and we got so wasted we don’t remember how we got home…oh yeah we didn’t make it home…we got into a head on car collision doing 120 mph and in the hospital with glass in our faces. "but that’s another story for another day".
    "BUT PLANT LOOKS ALL WRINKLY and"…..And guess what…news flash!  They’re much much older…Robert Plant looks old…and so does Page…
    Are we to punish them for that also?
    "How dare they wanna rock at that age!!!"
    Oh shite..If that’s the case,  I’m in my 40’s and i’m $%&#ed…I was just cutting some new trax today…oh well i’d better go put my Guitar and rig up in the attic for good….because guaranteed i will be acused of greed if i tour with my band.
    is that what we have become?
    We look for any reason to criticize the greats.
    But yet the majority of emails that come from Bob and his readers are about how much the new generation of artists have no soul and musicianship and can’t write a descent tune.
    See… More inportantly..the $%&#ing kids NEED to see Zep…even this line up at this age.
    Rock is dying…if not dead already.
    Do we need to see one more awards show to know that music is in deep shite!  So depressing.
    There is no one out there inspiring kids to pick up a guitar.
    Why do you think that there are millions of copies of the game Guitar Hero are being sold…they are starved for it…We’re $%&#ed if we have to count on a video game to save Rock and Roll.

    And i have to say….It broke my heart to hear Bob say that he was sitting next to the legendary Jimmy Page and didn’t even bother to say hi or shake his hand, for selfish memory based reasons….you missed out Bob.
    That could have turned into one of your greatest memories ever.
    Are you that old and set in your ways… that you are not capable to allow some new memories into your heart.?
    You might have missed out on a life changing conversation….That we would have read in your letters….
    You see….I did a gig in germany in the early nineties. A festival.
    Plant-Page were also on the bill.  when i saw them walk into the backstage outdoor area….my childhood flashed before me…Sheryl Crow was standing next to me…She said; Go say hi!   I said…No $%&#ing way!   That is Jimmy Page! What do you say to Jimmy Page…"Hi dude…i dig your playing"?
    So i did nothing.!    What a fool i was…
    So i turned around to walk away..and i felt a hand on my shoulder and someone called my name….I turned around and it was………………HIM.
    All i can say Bob…., right after i passed out and he picked me up off the floor , we spoke for the next 2 hours about one of his favorite places…My birthplace, Portugal….How much time he spends there,  The local moonshine he had an anvil case full of , The traditional guitars he buys there,  my family there…No mentiion of the music business or our bands….Just a hang.
    So next time you see him Bob….Don’t shun him or punish him for being in Led Zeppelin…Just say, Hi Jimmy…shake his hand and smile.
    I swear…..the magic and sincerety in his hands will stay with you forever…And you will be glad to know.that  ..that new memory didn’t erase any of the old ones.

    I guess  the point is…can we please, please stop talking about the business side of things for a little while? Just this once.  I beg you…All i hear and read from you is how there is no great music anymore…that it’s all a scam…marketing, marketing, Money Money Money. Clive is the evil empire that ruined it all.
    You’re so right….
    That’s why i beg you to Not Boycot the POLICE or LED ZEPPELIN merely because you’re upset they are getting compensated… added more shows …they planned it? Maybe……..$%&# it….! who cares?
    The Music is too important.
    It’s a dry musical desert out there…and life is too short to be  judgemental and untrusting and missing out. with the bands that shaped your life…….because all we really crave and all we really need…is an evening of ROCK and ROLL…Nothing more , nothing less….just a new memory to take home with us…to keep till we die.
    And for those of you afraid to take that risk because of the old ZEP?    you must have been too $%&#ed up to remember or to notice that 7 out of 10 gigs… Zeppelin sucked live…Those were the nights that they were so drugged and wasted that they could barely stand nevermind play an instrument…Bonham puking into a bucket on stage.
    But that was the danger and that was the risk….I saw Steven Tyler pass out 2 nights in a row by the 2nd song in worcester to never return.

    I would give anything to witness one of these great-legendary acts in their fragile state or in  their latter years of life than to listen to or to see most of the pretensious cr@p that’s on the radio…this current state of music is so worth seeing that it made MTV extinct.
    That might be a good thing though.
    And the guy who made fun of Plant having a cup of tea before the show?
    …You must not be a singer….and…. give the guy a $%&#ing break…he’s nearly 100 years old.
    But believe me as an eye witness when i tell you guys and Bob….these guys are old….But they still party hard….Page? are you kidding?   And you also question whether there were groupies backstage at Van Halen and whether David Lee Roth was still $%&#ing them….YES!
    Rock is still alive and well my friend.

    i know you keep going back to the good old days….so do i….it makes me angry.
    The line ups were rediculous…we were spoiled …2 to 3 great bands on the bill on any given tour.  That was the norm…we took it for granted.
    It was like tap water…we would go to the sink time and time again believing it was pure and the quality was always gonna be there.
    ….Today all we get is Bottled water. Flavored water.
    Vitamin water. With colorfull labels , each claiming they are the purest. The truth is…Just like rock and roll…tap water was never clean. It was Dirty.    but that didn’t matter….it quenched our thirst just fine.

    Bring back that dirty water.    Bring back that rock and roll.

    Pardon my spelling and typing…i am a simple musician.
    And Bob….I just have one last request.
    To The ones who write in and ask to hide their identity..?    Grow some balls…Be proud of your opinions…and tell us who you are….this is AMERICA….we are free.

    Nuno Bettencourt"

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 02:24:28 PM »
Absolutely brilliant piece - and spot on IMHO.

I have to say the part that hits home best for me was this ...

"i don’t want them to $%&# with my memories"?
THEY….. gave you those #$%!& memories.

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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 02:25:43 PM »
Amen
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 02:26:10 PM »
Somewhat rambling, and badly spelled, and he ends with the "this is america", but LZ are british and the gig was here....easily sidetracked

Look! A squirel!

Look at its little hands!

Anyway, the freedom to do what one pleases that hes on about includes to whine and b!tch, and the freedom to ingore the whining. Its a bit contradictory.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 02:38:36 PM »
Nuno clearly has way too much time on his hands these days heh I guess hes getting worried about all hate mail he shall be getting when extreme reforms, wiritng a letter doesnt achieve anything it only fuels more e-rage WTG

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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 02:42:56 PM »
I couldn't read that. My eyes started to bleed. Got the gist though. Good for him to stand up for a band that probably couldn't care less about detractors. They weren't the most popular band back in the day (at least not mainstream; the whole no singles thing got them bashed a lot) so why should they care if they get a little negative press?
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 02:52:33 PM »
Quote from: badgermark
so why should they care if they get a little negative press?


All press is good press.

LZ know this, and as such havent gone off on one at the people doing them down: they're just letting them unwittingly help them.

Considering extremes reform I think nuno has significant self interest in writing this, as muso hints at.

Its just too defensive and overeacting.

It would be better to ignore nay-sayers than engage them in exhanges of abuse, IMO. More dignified.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 07:03:04 PM »
I love Zeppelin, I like Extreme (I like Nuno's post-Extreme stuff even better).

But that was on awful lot of words to say not very much.  I'd have expected something a bit more articulate from Nuno, to be honest.  He sounds a bit tired and emotional (to coin a phrase).

And, as has already been said, I don't think Zeppelin were bothered about the criticism anyway.
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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2007, 08:00:45 PM »
:D Nice to see Nuno agrees with me !

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10613&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

But i did manage to say it in less words !

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2007, 10:52:33 PM »
Zeplin Schmeplin

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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2007, 10:09:17 AM »
^ :o :o :o :o


*Throws endless waves of flames*

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2007, 10:49:41 AM »
Zeppelin back in the day..if a bit before me, my memories of them were from my brothers and there mates and dodgy video concerts...they were great

Good on them for comming back, but (can I borrow that flamehelmet) I do think they have kinda lost that sparkle, edge whatever,  that they had back in the day.
This isn't rose tinted view this is looking at an old gig to the new gig, they were much better originally...time has not been kind
 (critical view I know, but saying that still better than a lot of bands live now)


P.S. still want a double headed SG my all time most impractical guitar
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 12:02:55 PM »
Quote from: sgmypod


P.S. still want a double headed SG my all time most impractical guitar


No you don't :evil:
I had one for 3 weeks, and promptly sold it.  I got Bob to make me THE perfect doubleneck.  22 Frets, easy access to those top frets, perfectly balanced, decent sized headstocks, and properly resonant.  I brought the EDS-1275 because of the connection to Jimmy, but if it wasn't for 'Stairway' that guitar would have died a death a long long time ago.



........as for Zep.........
I agree with Nuno, and I have a bit to add on myself

I'm 31.  I wasn't around the first time that Zeppelin were, but that still didn't stop my best mate and I listening to Led Zep IV and 'Houses Of The Holy' almost non-stop during our A-Level days.  That kind of music is what I listened to, and even though I was also listening to Guns N Roses, Def Leppard, Nirvana etc I kept listening to older stuff to find out where the newer bands got it from.  If Zep tour then I'll be first in line to see them because you don't get chances like this to see true greats perform live in front of you.  Now I've been lucky enough to see Plant and Page screwing around in a little pub in Wales when they were writing together 10 or so years ago, but just to see them doing Zeppelin together again would be amazing.  You can learn a lot from the CD's but it's still nothing like seeing a band live.
.......why do you think that a mere whippersnapper like me went to see the Rolling Stones a few years ago?  Because I've listened to their stuff since I was a kid and wanted to see it done live.  If Malcolm and Angus pull their fingers out with the new AC/DC stuff I'll be going to see them too!  I'm already trying to sort out tickets for Velvet Revolver because that's the closest I'm going to get to Guns N Roses (Buckethead ain't no Slash........yes he's fast, but fast isn't good in my opinion), and I tried but failed to get tickets to see Cream at the Albert Hall a few years ago.  I even went to see Queen with Paul Rodgers because that was the closest I'd ever get to seeing Queen, and that was a bloody good gig that the wife and I never regret going to.  Yes Paul wasn't as good as Freddie (who could be?), but Freddie is now sadly dead and I wasn't old enough to go see Queen back in '84.

I don't care it if f***s with the memories of those of you who were old enough to see these bands first time round.......I wasn't there......but I damn well would like to be this time so I can take it all in for myself without having to listen to the sanitised version from a studio.



And think of this.............
My wife and I were chatting over a dinner when we were away for our anniversary and we got talking about bands.  Name a band, or even a solo artist that you think will be around in another 30 years time with people clamouring to get tickets for them?

Can't do it????

We couldn't either.

The music industry is on it's knees at the moment and Nuno has got that completely right.  All they're bothered about is silly little kids who they can make a fast buck out of and then throw away back to working at McDonalds whilst the next sap comes through.  We live in a throwaway society and it seems that we've now even extended that back to our music.  A couple of years ago a band came out of Lowestoft called The Darkness who got lambasted by a lot of the music press, but they were fun, they were happy (I f***ing hate all these miserable indie bands like Radiohead and Coldplay) and I thought they would be around for ages, but they self-distructed too!

Even the modern rock star can't take their drugs anymore it seems :cry:
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 12:14:28 PM »
Yeah as I said impractical guitar, never want to try one as I know would upset me same as when I go try an MGB loved them as a kid...tried one hated it....Who's BOB?

There are good live bands out there, FOO FIGHTERS, SOAD, ACDC,  Velvet Revolver etc...but they are few and far between too much cr@p music produced
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 12:18:16 PM »
Well said Jonesy.

One band that are the future of good guitar music in my mind are The Ghost of a Thousand.


I praise them a bit too much but it's the only modern band that has blown me away like Zeppelin did when I first heard them. Gallows are another.

A lot of people dismiss modern bands like this because of the vocals, or because they exist in a swamp of other talentless cr@p, but it's the music of today's youth, just like Zep was back in the day.


Wait and see, when "The Ghost of a Thousand" is a household term in a few years, I called it.  :wink: