Author Topic: Think you're good? (Read 9912 times)

silentrage · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2007, 06:32:31 PM »

I don't think you can deny that shawn has a pretty amazing grasp of music and technical abilities, but at least to me it didn't sound as musical it could've been.

And I mean musical as in the more traditional sense, a more easily recognizable melody and rhythm, that's what sounds musical to ME.
I think the kind of rhythm shawn is putting out is just beyond comprehension for many people, that's why to them it's just noise, but it doesn't detract from its musical value in his mind.

But I'm a firm believer that without solid technique, you won't come anywhere close to being "the best", for example if you can write music like chopin but the fastest you can go is 2 notes a second then you're not doing yourself any favors. (in terms of being a good performing artist that is)

I would say the best musician I've ever heard on guitar is probably Guthrie Govan, perfect blend of amazing technique and music.

Ted · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2007, 07:58:18 PM »

Quote from: JJretroTONEGOD

From a theoretical point of view, this is one of the most complex solo's of all time! I disagree it lacks soul, people of feel threatend with complex music, which is why it's never popular.

I don't think people are threatened. Its not popular because it sounds odd.

Great playing to start with. He has great feel and command of the instrument, but the shredding is quite OTT.

Scotty477 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2007, 08:36:45 PM »

Quote from: JJretroTONEGOD

From a theoretical point of view, this is one of the most complex solo's of all time! I disagree it lacks soul, people of feel threatend with complex music, which is why it's never popular.

I don't feel threatened by it.

I do recognise the skill and technical expertise to be able to actually play it but it simply doesn't do anything for me at all.

It is important for me to qualify that in music what one person thinks is awesome, another will think ... meh.

It's been that way for a looooong time and it's why there is so many different forms of music.

Muso · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2007, 10:24:15 PM »

I'm really into my virtuoso shredders but I cannot stand lane, never have I heard a guitarist bar Rusty Cooley who goes out of his way to play total fretwank solos like he has forgotten the song he is playing.

gray pianos flying is the only listenable tune of his I've heard and this is also pretty cheesy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL4AMwrAcyE

Technical music isn't threatening its simply not enjoyable for people to listen to.

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2007, 10:50:33 PM »

Listen to Rules of the Game.

ilÿti · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:12:34 PM »

These are stereotypes. Shawn had madass technique, was humble, and could play with feeling so much better than any blues player I've ever seen. A true genius. All in my opinion of course. I think he wrote incredibly beautiful music, and had a musical mind beyond anyone's comprehension.
Fast playing can be emotional and musical (Lane, Becker, Chopin), and slow playing can be uninspired wank (Clapton. That is all.), again, IMHO.

JJretroTONEGOD · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:17:00 PM »

Quote from: noodleplugerine

Listen to Rules of the Game.

eh?

HTH AMPS · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:19:18 PM »

I don't feel threatened by shreding either - I happen to like some players you could consider 'shredders', but they pace their playing so that the shedding has dramatic effect.

Randy Rhoads, Alex Skolnick, Kerry King, Steve Vai, Dave Mustaine, EVH - all players with shred AND taste. Their solos have structure not just a seemingly random selection of swept arpeggios and speed-picking up and down scales like it's an olympian event.

:twisted:

Afghan Dave · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:23:23 PM »

Quote from: Philly Q

There's another clip here, of Shawn Lane playing Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze in 1987. It's fun, but he stops the songs dead every few seconds to play those 1,000 mph flurries of notes. It should always be all about the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT7_fV0Yuk

That was just painful... Pure self indulgence.

That and the first clip do nothing for me.

indysmith · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:24:50 PM »

Quote from: Afghan Dave

Quote from: Philly Q

There's another clip here, of Shawn Lane playing Sharp Dressed Man and Purple Haze in 1987. It's fun, but he stops the songs dead every few seconds to play those 1,000 mph flurries of notes. It should always be all about the song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT7_fV0Yuk

That was just painful... Pure self indulgence.

That and the first clip do nothing for me.

Hurrah! someone had to stand up and say it. This guy sucks...

ilÿti · « **Reply #25 on:** December 30, 2007, 11:26:20 PM »

Quote from: HEAVIER THAN HELL

Their solos have structure not just a seemingly random selection of swept arpeggios and speed-picking up and down scales like it's an olympian event.

:twisted:

'
Over your head doesn't equal random. :P

and I didn't intend that to be an insult, quite often I can't figure out one thing that Shawn is doing. I just love how it sounds and different, free and flowing he plays, articulates and phrases.

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #26 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:16:06 AM »

Jesus christ.

I can't believe what I'm hearing here.

Shawn Lane is one of THE greatest guitarists of all time, the videos which have been shown are just him jamming, and having fun... Listen to some of his actual music before you call him bad.

Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.

Watch these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Me_J2FaVtU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ype9A7cqo5s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5alBC4KDXBg&feature=related

Philly Q · « **Reply #27 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:23:24 AM »

Quote from: ilyti

Over your head doesn't equal random. :P

Claiming it's "over someone's head" seems like a pretty convenient way of justifying an argument.

It brings this to mind...

WezV · « **Reply #28 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:29:07 AM »

aahhhhh.... !!!!

indysmith · « **Reply #29 on:** December 31, 2007, 01:29:53 AM »

Quote from: noodleplugerine

Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.

EURGH it's so hideously bland and devoid of anything that makes me able to listen to it. The tone is BAD, it's hideously painfully cheesy, completely rambling, completely self-indulgent. It just shouldn't exist as far as i'm concerned. Sure he clearly has technical prowess, and he can play a lot of notes in a short space of time, but it's HORRIBLE. waste of my time, waste of life. oh my god i just feel SO strongly about how bad this shitee is. i can't stand it. it's my idea of musical hell. no excuse for it.

EDIT: okay I've finished with those videos. i watched them all. all the way through. SO BAD. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME DO THAT. HORRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. THE VERY WORST.

Sorry for the rambling... there's just nothing worse out there on the internet.