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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2007, 01:36:21 AM »
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Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.

EURGH it's so hideously bland and devoid of anything that makes me able to listen to it. The tone is BAD, it's hideously painfully cheesy, completely rambling, completely self-indulgent. It just shouldn't exist as far as i'm concerned. Sure he clearly has technical prowess, and he can play a lot of notes in a short space of time, but it's HORRIBLE. waste of my time, waste of life. oh my god i just feel SO strongly about how bad this shitee is. i can't stand it. it's my idea of musical hell. no excuse for it.

EDIT: okay I've finished with those videos. i watched them all. all the way through. SO BAD. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME DO THAT. HORRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. THE VERY WORST.

Sorry for the rambling... there's just nothing worse out there on the internet.


I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.
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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2007, 01:38:33 AM »
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Over your head doesn't equal random. :P

Claiming it's "over someone's head" seems like a pretty convenient way of justifying an argument.

It brings this to mind...


Philly my man... you have impeccable taste in comedy.

That series is a forgotten classic!

(You're right about the "over someone's head" issue as well)
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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2007, 01:40:21 AM »
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Indy - That was a SERIOUSLY misguided comment. The guy does not in ANYWAY suck. Even if you don't like his music after you hear every performance he's ever made - You can in no way call this guy a bad guitarist.

EURGH it's so hideously bland and devoid of anything that makes me able to listen to it. The tone is BAD, it's hideously painfully cheesy, completely rambling, completely self-indulgent. It just shouldn't exist as far as i'm concerned. Sure he clearly has technical prowess, and he can play a lot of notes in a short space of time, but it's HORRIBLE. waste of my time, waste of life. oh my god i just feel SO strongly about how bad this shitee is. i can't stand it. it's my idea of musical hell. no excuse for it.

EDIT: okay I've finished with those videos. i watched them all. all the way through. SO BAD. I HATE YOU FOR MAKING ME DO THAT. HORRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. THE VERY WORST.

Sorry for the rambling... there's just nothing worse out there on the internet.


I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.

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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2007, 01:42:52 AM »
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I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.


Probably because he enjoys "music"  :roll:
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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2007, 01:42:55 AM »
I still don't see your reasoning.

Shawn was top at everything, he could play slowly, melodically, and cleanly.

If you find Shawn hideous, then you probably would hate everything from Meola to Becker aswell :s
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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2007, 01:44:39 AM »
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If you find Shawn hideous, then you probably would hate everything from Meola to Becker aswell :s

Actively

just because that genre of music isn't my cup of tea, doesn't mean I don't like the instrument.
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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2007, 01:54:56 AM »
Oh.

If you hate them all, then I don't mind.

I thought you just had an avid dislike for Shawn in particular, which would make no sense to me.
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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2007, 02:06:34 AM »
....and were back to the bkp forum peacefullness we all know and love... That kind of peace that only occurs when we all have damn fine pickups in our guitars and can crank them up and play in whatever style we choose.  (even if its loud, bad and slower than it should be like i play guitar) :wink:

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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2007, 09:15:36 AM »
Sitting in my CD drawer I still have a couple of Steve Vai albums (from WAAAAAAYY back before every shredder started citing him), some Satriani, and even some Megadeth.

Funnilly enough I grew up and decided that:
1.  Honestly, I'm never going to play that technically well, nor that fast.
2.  Fast does not equal good
3.  Fast does not equal musical.

Sorry Noodle.  I completely respect your rights as a free thinking human being to listen to that stuff, but I do resent the fact that you were calling Indy (and by association others of us who don't get it) a non guitarist just because we feel the guy's not to our tastes.

Someone on here said they hate Clapton.  Have they listened to the old stuff, rather than the greatest hits that are selected by the mass market appeal songs?  I love Clapton and realise why he's now an out and out blues player who's made it into te mainstream; but it doesn't mean that everyone is going to be into the bloke, and I'm not going to slag off someone out there who thinks that Clapton is shitee.....that's their choice.
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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2007, 09:34:52 AM »
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I honestly don't know why you play the guitar, when you clearly hate the instrument.

I'm not sure about indy, but to me the guitar is a means to an end - to create music - rather than an end in itself.
I don't see why, just because someone doesn't enjoy hearing a guitarist play fast (note: not well, they are different), they are automatically thrown into a category of hating the instrument.

And I'm not just a shred hater:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGA3vjMLgE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aYlx5gW90Aw&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b5t5GukrWOU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JRbPWcLode0
^all guitarists I wish I could play like.
Of those shawn lane videos, only epilogue for lisa was played like he meant it, and it was still so cheesy it made me want to sick.

Anyway, I'm done here. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on shred.

And as for clapton: the coffee joke stands just as true for him as it does ginger baker, IMO.
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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2007, 10:31:29 AM »
@above

Ok, I can say with absolute certainty that if You like SCARIFIED and GOOMY, then you're certifiably NOT a shred hater ;)

I used to annoy the cr@p out of people at school for blasting that stuff.

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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2007, 10:34:09 AM »
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Over your head doesn't equal random. :P

Claiming it's "over someone's head" seems like a pretty convenient way of justifying an argument.

It brings this to mind...


Philly my man... you have impeccable taste in comedy.

That series is a forgotten classic!

(You're right about the "over someone's head" issue as well)


+1

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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2007, 01:01:32 PM »
I find Shawn Lane's playing kind of lacks the charisma of Vai/Satch/Malmsteen. He is a good player but his music just doesn't 'hit' me the same way that other 'shredders' do.
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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2007, 01:52:00 PM »
Firstly, Philly & Afghan Dave thankyou, you summed up the majority of my feelings

Personally I'm tired of footstamping and accusations (it's always the same person when these subjects turn up) Should we not learn that once the usual accusations as made earlier in the thread has become pointless and we should ignore it ?

Still once puberty runs it's course things should calm down a bit.

The words many of us are working towards are 'Dynamics, Contrast and Variation.' Theres nothing wrong with playing fast, but if it's all that you have then you are heading nowhere (fast)

Just as I would get bored in the pub of somebody calculating square roots in his head, many of us get tired of what has become known as wankage, though the phrase 'One trick pony' may be a little more polite.

I will happily sit down (for a while) and listen to some DiMelola, Vai and even some (early) McLaughlin at least they they play 'for the song' much more than many of those mentioned earlier. I can listen to Holdsworth, Ollie Halsall (look him up) & Paul Gilbert for considerably longer once again becasue the song exists as a song not as an excuse to say "look at me and only me I'm the star"

There is a reason why EVH (for example) became famous, he had all the guitar gymnastics, strange noises and off the beaten track scales (modes) as far as regular rock music is concerned. It comes down to songs and the ability not to ruin the bloody things by playing entirely inappropiate guitar lines all the fecking time
 
Theres a reason why some guitarists never make it out of obscurity they simply didn't deserve it as theyre basically reciting Pi to 30,000 decimal places, and for most people this gets boring remarkably quickly.
 Other players are too avant garde (Henry Kaiser), not prepared to compromise (Holdsworth) or simply never got the breaks (Robert Quine), but they didn't let technique become the sole purpose.

Anyway this is boring and pointless becasue it will happen again, and again and again...... (how many digits does Pi have ?)

Perhaps TO will have the decency to perform a mercy killing and kill this thread
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« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2008, 01:02:16 AM »
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2.  Fast does not equal good
3.  Fast does not equal musical.

And every shredder knows that. Is it hard to grasp that people listen to music that happens to be technical becuase they like the music, not for the fact that it's technical?
Technique is a tool for your music, just as gear is tool for your music. Some people want to make music that requires a lot of skill, and some don't have that desire.

For the record, I do have a few Cream albums that I enjoy a little bit. Then I put on Paul Gilbert and hear him do everything they did only galaxies better.
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