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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2008, 10:56:27 PM »
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An 120watt head isn't that much LOUDER than a 60 watt head, the difference is in the headroom, ie, the clarity at those loud volumes.

just quite weird toget my head around as I have stereo 80watts a side power amp (solid state) which is pretty much cranked right to the top nearly to get over the drums, and keep up with our old guitarists mode four so 60watts is just hard to believe would cut thru in the overall mix.??? most perplexing ;)  :P


Here's some proof for you that tube is louder than solid state.  Keep watching for when he gets to the tiny terror(5:20).   Then keep in mind it's only 15 watts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-PHqs4zBAc

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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2008, 09:21:42 PM »
jcm900 wont get you into heavy territories without loud volume and a boost, that, and they're fizzy and not very nice sounding unless you mod it to take out the transistors and opamps. However, at ear bleeding loud volumes, they kick ass. Boost optional here--> i'd recommend a RAT or a TS808

Jcm800 can get you into heavy territories but NEEDS a boost. Again RAT or ts808. Rat will get you close to deicide metalzz, ts808 along the lines of Mastodon --> mind you mastodon also has ALOT of poweramp distortion.

5150/6505 is a good choice, but you'll have 600 quid left over. Also, very very sad cleans. I'd take one if i wanted tight, raw, sterile grit, think Immortal, dark tranquillity, inflames... that fizzy grit they have. Get a bias mod done so you can run the tubes at optimal values, stock 5150's typically come with VERY cold powertubes.

fireball is another good choice, but its SUPER sensitive to pickups, so expect drastically different tones between guitars. Mid scoopy ish and has all the basic controls you need.

Powerball is like a fireball on steroids. Brewtalz brewtazls tight grind grind brewtalz. I think the best example of its tone can be found with Job for a Cowboy (they use powerballs and uberschalls --> the powerball is the more grindy one). Mind you, its hard to mic up because its mids sound scooped, is best matched with an engl cab. Super rediculously tight. Great cleans.

Savage is looser in feel to a powerball, and more versatile. It can do rock, hard rock, metal, and sweet cleans whereas the powerball is just METULLZZ and sweet cleans. Good example of this tone can be found on Dimmu Borgir's Death Cult Armageddon album.

I'd personally avoid randall's and kranks. Randall's have those hybrid poweramps which dont cut as well and dont sound as fat as a full blown tube amp. Kranks are also way overpriced for something only half decent, and you could do MUCH better for the same price.

My vote would be the savage, 6l6 version. I'm sure you can find one used within your budget, and engl users dont abuse their amps so finding a good quality used one shouldnt be hard. :) :)
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2008, 10:04:42 PM »
Wow,you can really find everything around here....Jules666,if you are looking for another ART Multiverb 2,i got one in perfect condition but i will check  the exact model's name first,because i don't remember any "Alpha" in it.   EDIT:it's a ART Multiverb.

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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2008, 10:51:04 PM »
I know.
Even though I've only owned a 30w carlsboro combo, I feel like I know so much about tones just by reading up on these here forums. :D

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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2008, 11:04:34 PM »
Cheers for all the input guys....thinking about the following now based on suggestions here

Engl Fireball
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Peavey 6505

Would prefer the Engl Powerball I think but based on the price and needing a Cab as well it might be a little out of my budget unless I can find a place that does interest free credit for 10 month :) Have to think about the budget as I would like to pick up a new guitar this year as well.

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Wow,you can really find everything around here....Jules666,if you are looking for another ART Multiverb 2,i got one in perfect condition but i will check  the exact model's name first,because i don't remember any "Alpha" in it.   EDIT:it's a ART Multiverb.

Thanks for the offer but have to decline, will be getting a new rig (once I make my mind up) in the next couple of months, my current gear should be fine till then. Thanks anyway! :)

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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2008, 09:00:54 PM »
Well, if you fancy a second hand 5150 II (6505+), give us a shout
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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2008, 12:43:56 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2008, 02:06:22 PM »
Went with the ENGL Fireball in the end
Very Very happy with it.
Sounds great Live and for recording!

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2008, 09:36:50 PM »
Was it loud enough for you then?  :twisted:
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2008, 10:35:31 PM »
Dude, I tried out an Engl Thunder 50 at my local through an Engl 4x12. Had the master at 2 and it was pretty loud, pushed it up to 4 and that would easily cause me to damage my hearing, so I think 50w is plenty.

Gonna let you in on a little secret (because I have decided to be sensible and NOT spend all my savings). They have this set-up in my local for £700 all in. That's £400 for the Thunder 50 head and £300 for the cab. By any calculation that is the bargain of the year. It is second hand but in perfect nick. I'm a metal head and the tone and gain was absolutely awesome, you can't go wrong with it to be honest.

It's these guys here: http://www.mansons.co.uk/shopping/categories/second-hand-electric-amplification/engl/thunder-50-half-stack/

Just buy it. Please. End my suffering by walking past it every day and seeing it there...taunting me... :cry:

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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2008, 05:37:43 PM »
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In Flames is not modern Death Metal, and their current output is not even Metal


oh don't be so fucking daft. Of course it, whilst you presumably aren't a fan and neither am I, saying their recent releases aren't metal is elitist, try-hard bullshit.

I read enough of that nonsense on metal forums from all the 14 year olds that just discovered Burzum, don't subject me to it here  :roll:

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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2008, 06:48:55 PM »
As you have an ADA MP1- one thing that you might be worth doing is looking at www.adadepot.com
there are several modifications to the ADA MP1 that may be of interest
The mod 3.666 may be a good one or even the 3TM mod

The gain levels are cranked up much higher and on the 3.666 the EQ is all changed and it is a dual rec killer suddenly its a very different beast

Using an EQ in the loop of the MP1 is a very good idea to pul out different frequencies.

Using an FX unit between the MP1 and power amp is not always a good idea as it can suck tone and power. TC Electronics units seem ok though.
I used to run my FX via a line mixer that allowed most of the raw tone of the MP1 to go to the power amp and sent a separate feed to the FX unit which was then blended back in with the MP1 signal and resulted in a much bigger sound.
I only found this out back in 1991 when my Alesis Quadraverb blew up and I pulled it out of my rack and connected my MP1 direct to the power amp - nearly blew my ears out - that is how much the Alesis was sucking the tone and dynamics

It may be worth trying a valve power amp too.
The valvestate is ok but will lack poke compared to a similar powered valve one
Maybe a Boogie 2:50 , 2:90 or 2:100
Or a VHT/Kittyhawk/Marshall 9100 or 9200
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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2008, 01:18:59 AM »
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In Flames is not modern Death Metal, and their current output is not even Metal


oh don't be so fucking daft. Of course it, whilst you presumably aren't a fan and neither am I, saying their recent releases aren't metal is elitist, try-hard bullshit.


While I don't appreciate your tone (let's keep things friendly), I also think In Flames can still be categorized as metal, even though their latest offering is really, really weak :)
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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2008, 09:38:20 AM »
I think all this "genre" talk should be saved for the UltimateGuitar forum.
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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2008, 10:36:19 AM »
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In Flames is not modern Death Metal, and their current output is not even Metal


oh don't be so fucking daft. Of course it, whilst you presumably aren't a fan and neither am I, saying their recent releases aren't metal is elitist, try-hard bullshit.


While I don't appreciate your tone (let's keep things friendly), I also think In Flames can still be categorized as metal, even though their latest offering is really, really weak :)


Its not in flames, that's for sure, but it succeeds at being ULTRA-accesible modern teen-metal, and for that, the songs aren't that bad to be frank.

Its no clayman, but if you listen to it thinking it's disturbed or something, you might think otherwise about it.
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