SGs and LPs

[Jonny]

Yep, that's a Korean model and the right price for a new one  :)

Great seller too from what I've heard.

At a glance it rocks, a second glance, it's Made In China. :(

EDIT: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tokai-Love-Rock-LS75-Electric-Guitar-Black-Finish_W0QQitemZ300187546705QQihZ020QQcategoryZ112670QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This is more like it. MADE IN JAPAN.

But £520.

Another EDIT: Found one for £420! OK, I'm getting too excited for nothing..

[Scotty477]

It is indeed  :D

However ... No maple cap. No mahogany body - or neck.

These are what make a Les Paul what it is.

I've played a LP for 8 years solid now and I love it. It's a terrific workhorse and if you're a gigging musician it's robustness is vital.

Added to that is the distinctive tone that very few guitars can emulate.

I have a Gibson LP and if you have the budget for it, that's what to go for ... but there are great alternatives. Japanese Tokai Love Rock's appear to be a cut above in the LP copies. The 80's Yamaha LP's and indeed SG's are excellent as well - if you can get one in good condition.

I can't see me changing from an LP as my first line gigging guitar. It's just far too dependable.

I can't comment on the classic Gibson SG shape as I've never owned one ... yet  

[Jonny]

Until I can actually sell some of my stuff I don't see me getting anywhere near a Gibson

And having a job too, lol..

[Philly Q]

I do want an SG though, the only thing I dont like about most that I've tried is the neck heaviness when on a strap, but SG Jrs look so cool.

The thing about that is, the whole guitar is so light you just get used to holding the neck in the right position.  

It's like fighting a little child, slightly annoying but basically easy enough to cope with.

[Jonny]

I do want an SG though, the only thing I dont like about most that I've tried is the neck heaviness when on a strap, but SG Jrs look so cool.

The thing about that is, the whole guitar is so light you just get used to holding the neck in the right position.  

It's like fighting a little child, slightly annoying but basically easy enough to cope with.

With your hand(s) around it's neck - the guitar that is, HA HA!

[hamfist]

This may be a sacreligious statement but whatever guitar I seem to play, so long as it's got a humbucker in the bridge position, I still end up sounding like me. I don't really hear huge differences between strats, teles, LP's, PRS's and SG's.
   Single coils and HB's, yes I hear a big difference.
   So I choose my guitar mainly on the neck. My fingers are way too fat at the ends to ever consider fitting into tight spaces, so I don't need 24 frets. I also need at least a 43mm nut width (again to fit my fingers in) - that eliminates a lot of guitars !
   Most LP's with a 50's style neck just feel right to me, nice and chunky - good for big hands. My fingers fit, and my playing goes well.
   Oh, and LP's generally look classy and gorgeous, IMHO.

[Will]

Continuing from Indy's (I think) point of less being more, all those controls mean it is quite versatile, and the fun of mixing all the different tone in the middle position.
Then on places like HC reviews people complain that it doesn't have many features! When to be honest trems aren't needed that much anyway, and the feature that they provide can be emulated anyway...
I find a Les Paul comfortable, and the balance is just right when standing as you don't have to hold the neck, and for example can put stuff you write onto Guitar Pro as you play, and when sitting, it is dead balanced, it doesn't tip either way.
and an epi SG that I played... well I think it was scary, didn't want to grip the neck too hard, just looked fragile, but still had a strong sound

[Jonny]

I can hear the difference when using tone knobs, but really I'd get so confused and lost with FOUR knobs as to what would produce a good sound.

[sambo]

Corrrr blimey that's a gorgeous top! :o

[_tom_]

I do want an SG though, the only thing I dont like about most that I've tried is the neck heaviness when on a strap, but SG Jrs look so cool.

The thing about that is, the whole guitar is so light you just get used to holding the neck in the right position.  

It's like fighting a little child, slightly annoying but basically easy enough to cope with.

yea, the few times I've played them it was really annoying - I didnt like having to hold up the neck to be able to play it, I'm not used to having to put that much effort into my playing :lol: :P

[PhilKing]

I currently have 8 LP's and 1 SG (junior - if you're just going to have one the junior is the one for me).  Through the years I have had many other ones, and always was a Les Paul fan.  However, my favourite guitar is still a Strat.

Les Pauls are great for classic rock fat tones, though the different models do have different sounds.  5 of my LP's have P-90 pickups, which for me make them blues monsters (along with the SG).

I do have another SG in the works too, which will also have P-90's (and a 25.5" scale).  

At the end of the day it really depends on the music that you are playing. In my last heavy gigging band I used to use a double cutaway LP Special and a Strat but the one thing that used to bother me when I was switching was going from a Strat to a Les Paul between songs (going the other way always seemed easier).

[blue]

as to the 24 fret thing, you can get them.  there are both Gibson and Epiphone Tony Iommi SG's with 24 frets, and while i don't know of a Gibson version, ESP do their 24 fret interpretation.  is it the Eclipse?  you can even get it with a Floyd Rose!

[DeanS]

Solid Mahogany guitars (whether capped or not) with humbuckers thro a decent amp IS rock and roll................

[gwEm]

this will be an obvious post to many, but anyway ;)

i've tried really hard to like strats, i mean really, and i can't.

on the other hand the gibson style - with a big piece of mahogany and twin humbuckers really does work sound wise. and i think P90s sound great too. i have exactly one SG and one Les Paul, and they both have P90s.

designwise - don't forget the angled neck and head stock. fixed bridge is an advantage too i think, tune-o-matic is perfect for palm-muting.

the SG is a very accessible guitar in many ways, light, easy to play, cool sounding, and subjectively good looking... and you can play any style of music with it and the look and the sound will cover it with great ablomb.

the weight, or thickness of the les paul body give it that classic rich and full tone. upper frets could be difficult to access without the right technique.

[Jonny]

ablomb?