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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2008, 08:21:49 PM »
You may have to wait a few months, but I'll definitely put pics up when it's all done.

Provided I don't miraculously find the money for a Vigier in the meantime...

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 11:34:35 PM »
Sorry that I am coming in late here, but I have made a lot of Warmoth guitars and for a more mellow strat I would go with a Swamp Ash body and a Wenge neck (especially if you will be using BK pickups).  I have this and it gives a great mid range tone from the strat without losing the overall sound.  I went for the CBS size headstock for a little extra sustain (and also because my other strats all have small headstocks).  I have a regular strat trem screwed down.  I really don't use the trem, but I find part of the hollow tone of the strat is down to the tremelo (I have a hard tail so I can compare them).

I was going for a blues/classic rock set of tones and this worked for me.  As for pickups, I would go with either Apaches or Mother's Milks if you want a bit of drive, or Sultans if you want to have the more cleaner tones.  For an HSS set, I have a Rebel Yell/Mother's Milk combination and I am just about to put in a Mule/Sultan's set in another guitar.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2008, 12:04:00 AM »
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Sorry that I am coming in late here, but I have made a lot of Warmoth guitars and for a more mellow strat I would go with a Swamp Ash body and a Wenge neck (especially if you will be using BK pickups).  I have this and it gives a great mid range tone from the strat without losing the overall sound.  I went for the CBS size headstock for a little extra sustain (and also because my other strats all have small headstocks).  I have a regular strat trem screwed down.  I really don't use the trem, but I find part of the hollow tone of the strat is down to the tremelo (I have a hard tail so I can compare them).

I was going for a blues/classic rock set of tones and this worked for me.  As for pickups, I would go with either Apaches or Mother's Milks if you want a bit of drive, or Sultans if you want to have the more cleaner tones.  For an HSS set, I have a Rebel Yell/Mother's Milk combination and I am just about to put in a Mule/Sultan's set in another guitar.


Thanks very much for the input Phil!
This Swamp Ash/Wenge combination intrigues me. The Warmoth site has both down as fairly bright woods, how do you think it would compare to a Mahogany/Maple strat?
Also, how do you think a hollowed out Swamp Ash body might sound?

Purely from the Warmoth description, Pau Ferro sounds and looks like it may be a good choice for a fingerboard. Does anyone know how might it compare to a maple fretboard?

At the moment, a Mule/Apache combination sounds like it may be just what I'm looking for. I had not really considered the Sultans since they sound like they may me overly bright for my liking. I'd be very interested to hear how you find them when you've got them fitted!

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2008, 12:32:59 AM »
hard ash can be very bright but decent swamp ash has warmth without being as dark as mahogany can be

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2008, 12:45:40 AM »
I'll have alot more time to think more before I order, but at the moment I must say I'm tending towards the hollowed mahogany body, mainly because I like the idea of something different from the norm.

Any experience with Pau Ferro Wez? I've heard fretboard wood doesn't have much impact on tone, but it'd be nice to be sure.

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2008, 10:19:48 AM »
Its generally sold as santos rosewood in this country and i have used it a few times fro fretboards.  I believe its now morecommonly used in the industry as a substitute for Indian rosewood and for all accounts its very similar except more a bit more brickish in colour

And everything affects tone  - you just have to work out how much :wink:

The frets are directly coupled to the fretboard so  when you fret a note most of the vibration is transferred to the body from two points.  Firstly the bridge directly into the body but also through the fret into the fretboard into the neck and down to the body.   The vibration of the body is important because it affects how the strings carry on vibrating... and thats why its not just the pickups that are important for getting the right tone... even on solid body guitars!!

Now if you take that into consideration the fretboard has to impact the tone.    Personally i feel it has more of an impact on the attack of the note rather than the overall tone or sustain, although obviosuly they are all part of the same thing... i'm just saying i feel the fretboards most impacts on the intial tone of the note.  Other people will disagree and i dont mind that

Ebony tends to have a sharper/brighter tone.  Maple can also be bright but i dont find it as sharp in the initial attack.  Rosewood has a softer attack with more warmth

Now since you have pretty much decided on  hollowed mahogany with a maple neck i dont think you can go wrong with the fretboard wood. whichever sounds more like what you want

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2008, 10:48:00 AM »
Cheers for that Wez! It's very good to hear the opinions of a proper luthier!
Sounds like Pau Ferro might be a good one to try. Looks pretty nice as well. I'll have some spare money coming in in the next couple of weeks, and then I'll get ordering!

Thanks to everyone who has answered to this thread. Everybody has been a great help!

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2008, 01:54:01 PM »
Wenge has a lot more mid and low end than maple (that's why it is used so often in bass necks).   Swamp Ash is not a bright wood in the same way that hard ash or maple are, but is more mellow.  I found that hollow bodies (with f-holes), tend to be brighter.  Chambered bodies (where there is no f-hole and smaller compartments - I think this is the normal Warmoth style), do seem to make a little bit of a difference but I think the wood will make more.  

I have a Warmoth Anagre neck with Pau Ferro for the fingerboard, and it sounds very much like the regular Maple/Rosewood combo.  This is on a hardtail strat, with a swamp ash body.

I agree with Wez on the effect of the fingerboard on tone.  I like Kingwood as well for a fingerboard.  I have it on a Tele neck and it looks and feels great.
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2008, 02:42:32 PM »
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Am I right in assuming that Mules are fairly punchy and aggressive?

Also, all my humbucking guitars use 250k pots. What would the benefit of using a 500k volume pot in this guitar be?


Well, on a bright punchy guitar with 500k pots like i have i would call them agressive and quite punchy, but still not harsh. I dont think youll need 500k pots on a strat type guitar though.

I had my mules in an old SG with 300k pots, but found them lacking highs, harmonics just didnt came out as well as i needed them. Also dynamics are alot better with 500k pots, alot of the sound depends on technique which makes it a very expressive and versatile tool.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2008, 03:12:28 PM »
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Ebony tends to have a sharper/brighter tone. Maple can also be bright but i dont find it as sharp in the initial attack. Rosewood has a softer attack with more warmth


You are making this sound like a bad thing IMO which it is far from. Maple is generally more middy which ebony compensates a bit, also an ebony board improves fretting considerably IMO, a very clear and punchy attack is just a perfect tool if you tend to add articulation and expression into your playing. An ebony fretboard also improves sustain a little IMO.

If i think the attack would be too harsh i can simply adjust my amp and still have the same response. I think the same about the way a guitar sounds, its a long way from the wood to speakers and there are soo many ways to get a warm tone even out of the harshest of beasts.

But ok, i know discussing something as complex as this rationally would be really hard, probably you should just try stuff IMO. Warmoth is definately better quality then Fender or Allparts, however i do think that if you dont like something it wont be any better it it were higher quality, or well... to me it is that way at least.

Good hunting!

Greetings, Henk
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2008, 05:28:13 PM »
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You are making this sound like a bad thing IMO which it is far from.



wasnt my intention, i do like ebony because nothing beats the feel of a well maintained ebony board.  My main point was that the choice of wood for fretboard does play a role in the sound

I prefer ziracote because it feels very similar to ebony but sounds somewhere between indian rosewood and ebony.  apparently very similar to braz RW but i dont use that... too much hype over dodgy left over scr@ps of stumpwood!  Not sure if warmoth offer ziracote yet.

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2008, 06:31:26 PM »
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Not sure if warmoth offer ziracote yet.


Yep, my strat neck is maple/ziricote. Very nicely figured wood.

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2008, 07:38:02 PM »
then everyone should have that instead!!! :wink:

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2008, 08:24:42 PM »
Ok, I think I'm getting a much clearer idea of what I should be looking for.
Ziricote sounds like a very promising option for me. While I think I prefer the look of Pau Ferro, some of the more figured ziricote specimens are beautiful:


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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2008, 08:31:50 PM »
here are my latest ziracote boards





I love the stuff!!