Someone with a little vista experience please!

[badgermark]

Did you read the article? It take the same price point and compares what you can get from Apple and from Dell. For the same price you get a better deal with the Apple. Like I said, you can get a cheap £400 laptop easily, but it wont have the features of the £600 or so macbook.

[noodleplugerine]

Did you read the article? It take the same price point and compares what you can get from Apple and from Dell. For the same price you get a better deal with the Apple. Like I said, you can get a cheap £400 laptop easily, but it wont have the features of the £600 or so macbook.

I did read the article.

And I'll say a couple of things - dell is a bad comparison, they're laptops are very low spec, and awfully built.

And then not only to choose Dell, but to choose a Dell XPS, their most overpriced laptops - is $%&#ing retarded.

And then - If it wasn't enough, they compared to a $%&#ing Voodoo PC, which sell some PCs for $20k, I'm sorry, but that's the most idiotic thing I've ever seen.

And commenting on the write up - He blatantly lies saying that the 8700m doesn't use dedicated memory, and that the 8600m is faster. The he compares the weight of the 15" macbook to the 17" Dell, which is hilarious, and then fails to mention that 802.11n is a $20 upgrade for the dell. The guy has cherry picked overpriced computers to compare to the mac, and then lies completely to justify the mac's superiority.

I'm a mac fan, but never before have I seen such an absolutely AWFUL article.

Edit: And another thing, the 15.4" dell, with the same specs as shown there is $350 cheaper, so he clearly chose a 17" laptop, which is much more expensive, to compare to the cheaper 15.4" mac, when he should be comparing like to like, however, ofcourse, the 17" mac is alot more expensive, so he decided that would be a bad idea...

[noodleplugerine]

Did you read the article? It take the same price point and compares what you can get from Apple and from Dell. For the same price you get a better deal with the Apple. Like I said, you can get a cheap £400 laptop easily, but it wont have the features of the £600 or so macbook.

Oh really?

13" macbook - £699
2.1ghz processor
120gb hard drive
1gb ram.

I raise you a Samsung q210 or the slightly older q45.

Both have:

Range of processors from 1.66-2.2ghz
12 inch screen.
3gb ram
320gb hard drive

and the new q210 has a 9200m with 256mb dedicated.

You can get a 1.83ghz q45 for £500, and for £580 you can get the newer Q210 with a 2ghz processor.


They're better built than the cheap macs imo, have no fllex whatsoever, and fantastic keyboards.  Oh, and they both weigh less than 2kg.

I know which I'd go for in terms of price-spec.

So to finally compare....

Mac - £699
Processor - 2.1ghz Core 2 duo
Ram - 1gb
Hard drive - 120gb
Weight - 2.27kg
Screen - 13.3" - 1280x800 resolution
GFX - Intel Integrated, shared memory.

Samsung Q210 - £580
Processor - 2.0ghz Core 2 duo
Ram - 3gb
Hard drive - 320gb
Weight - 1.95gb
Screen - 12.1" - 1280x800
GFX - Nvidia 9200m 256mb dedicated.

The weight is an unfair comparison, since the samsung is smaller, but still, I'd prefer a 12" to a 13" anyway.

[badgermark]

Fair enough. To be honest I read it and not being up to date on computer matters (used to be, decided it was lame and stopped caring) i assumed he kinda knew what was what. Anyway, group hug. I like macs, some people don't, lets be friends.

[noodleplugerine]

Fair enough. To be honest I read it and not being up to date on computer matters (used to be, decided it was lame and stopped caring) i assumed he kinda knew what was what. Anyway, group hug. I like macs, some people don't, lets be friends.

<3

The comments on that post rinsed him too, I love macs, but anyone buying one does have to accept the price. Personally, price/spec ratio means nothing to me, since I don't care for spec, as long as a laptop is well built and relatively quick, which the macs definitely are. Keyboard/build quality is much more important to me than ram/processor.

[indysmith]

Just got a laptop with Vista today - first question:
How do I do that thing that looks sort of like Mac's "expose" feature to cycle thru the windows? :lol:

P.S. I forgot how shite Windows is, lol! It won't let me install things when other things are installing, and the things that I'm installing (WINDOWS LIVE PROGRAMS) fail to do so for absolutely no reason after thinking about it for half an hour.

Glad this laptop's my girlfriend's and not mine :P

[noodleplugerine]

P.S. I forgot how shitee Windows is, lol! It won't let me install things when other things are installing,

I'm pretty sure that's the same with mac?

[Roobubba]

Roo just do the two finger command click. it's amazing.

MDV I'm not sure who you're trying to impress with your waggly, 99 buttoned mouse. Two buttons work nicely for me, and keyboard shortcuts are much quicker than moving my hand from my keyboard to click pause on my mouse.

Personally I couldn't care less about what other people think about the machine i choose to buy and use, I like my Mac better than I like comparable MS based machines.  THIS is a pretty good article about the price difference. Sure you can have a sub £400 laptop or pc, but not to the same specs as a mac.

you can't double-finger-click while double-finger-scrolling... Serious issues!

[badgermark]

Roo just do the two finger command click. it's amazing.

MDV I'm not sure who you're trying to impress with your waggly, 99 buttoned mouse. Two buttons work nicely for me, and keyboard shortcuts are much quicker than moving my hand from my keyboard to click pause on my mouse.

Personally I couldn't care less about what other people think about the machine i choose to buy and use, I like my Mac better than I like comparable MS based machines.  THIS is a pretty good article about the price difference. Sure you can have a sub £400 laptop or pc, but not to the same specs as a mac.

you can't double-finger-click while double-finger-scrolling... Serious issues!

Not at the same time, though that road would lead to madness! Enzyme structures sounds suspiciously close to biology to me. That be women's science.

[noodleplugerine]

Enzyme structures sounds suspiciously close to biology to me. That be women's science.

Though I have no idea where that came form - I salute!

What was it Rutherford said?

All science is either Physics or Stamp collecting.

[badgermark]

Enzyme structures sounds suspiciously close to biology to me. That be women's science.

Though I have no idea where that came form - I salute!

What was it Rutherford said?

All science is either Physics or Stamp collecting.

No idea, i thought it up myself. Based on Roo disgracing the good name of Chemistry! Bloody tele loving hippy woman biologist.

[indysmith]

Update on my Vista experience:
It refuses to connect to the internet again. The first time I put the laptop on, it simply asked for a WPA-PSK key, which i put in, and it worked. Since I restarted the computer to install windows updates, it refuses to connect, telling me my key is wrong sometimes (it worked before, and it works on all the other 5 computers in the house), and sometimes just refusing to connect without reason.
EDIT: an interesting thing is that when i put my mac on after this, I was told the same thing - that the WPA key was wrong, and the same thing then happened on all the other computers. I reset the router, and it fixed the internet and the key was correct again on all the computers but the new Vista running one.

I spent about 4-5 hours trying to get it to connect last night to no avail, I've installed all the latest drivers (downloaded on my mac ;) ) and still nothing. I plugged directly into the router downstairs to download AVG, open office, iTunes etc. and that works fine.

Now I'm trying to do the "Windows Easy Transfer" over an AD-HOC network between the new and old windows computers... We'll see how this goes. It seems to be working but hasn't really progressed at all in the last hour.

[indysmith]

UPDATE: Windows Easy Transfer is useless beyond belief. The computer won't log on half the time, there are fragments of old files all over the place from easy transfer, where it randomly fails halfway through and stops, but doesnt get rid of the files it's copied for some reason; I can't delete them - it won't give me access even though I'm an administrator. It crashes every 5 minutes. I'm trying to open system restore, but it crashes every time. It's a piece of $%&#ing shitee, and nobody should have to waste their $%&#ing time and energy trying to get this stuff to work. Windows Vista sucks, Dell sucks. Buy a mac.

[Will]

Indy, a tool is only as good as the operator.
I would find Mac stuff useless as I haven't used one in about 12 years, I am using Dell + Vista, atleast I haven't had problems with Vista.

[_tom_]

Indy I swear that laptops $%&#ed, my mums is a cheap dell and it runs vista ok, well its kinda slow but at least it connects to the internet and never comes up with errors. Mines on vista as well and runs perfectly. I'd have got a macbook if I had money to burn and didnt like gaming (and could put up with a tiny screen). Apparently the monitors on the imac are pretty cr@p as well so if they had a desktop tower at a reasonable price that could connect to any dvi monitor easily and had a huge hard drive so I could fit windows on it for gaming as well, I might consider it.