Satch sues Coldplay!!!

[Philly Q]

I'm sure it's accidental, I can't imagine Coldplay listening to Satch to be perfectly honest.

I'm a bit surprised he's trying to sue them.  Then again, he is American.

[dave_mc]

^ maybe he's annoyed that they've been nominated for umpteen grammies because they're "cool" (and with his song, no less)? i wonder how many grammies satch would have won if he'd released the exact same song (i mean with the words and everything)...  :lol:

Shame they can't also be sued for the release of lifeless, dull, middle class cr@p.....

:lol:

I didn't actually know the satriani song (haven't bought a satch album since strange beautiful music), but now i've listened to it, they're more or less identical (except satch's is better). I always wondered why that was the only coldplay song i even vaguely liked... :twisted:

At the end of the day, both are very simple chord progs and anyone could make them, it's not like they actually took a guitar riff.

it's not just the intro riff, have you listened to the lead guitar "chorus" in satch's piece versus the sung chorus in coldplay's? it's the exact same melody as well! when i heard the chord progression, i though, "well, it's close, but arguably not enough to win a case", but then i heard the chorus melody and thought, "ok, so it's an exact copy"... :lol:

[Davey]

it's not just the intro riff, have you listened to the lead guitar "chorus" in satch's piece versus the sung chorus in coldplay's? it's the exact same melody as well! when i heard the chord progression, i though, "well, it's close, but arguably not enough to win a case", but then i heard the chorus melody and thought, "ok, so it's an exact copy"... :lol:

The choruses overlap 100%

[dave_mc]

yeah, exactly. :lol:

[sambo]

^I'm not convinced.

Satch's chorus melody differs from Coldplay's vocals after the the initial 3-note phrase, which could EASILY be coincidental.

And the only other part which is vaguely similar is the chord progression, which is so generic it's probably used in THOUSANDS of tracks.

So discounting the chord progression, which would be ludicrous to sue over due to how commonplace it is, Satch would be suing on the basis of a C#, D, B pattern...

[MrBump]

You tube comparisonhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofFw9DKu_I&feature=related

I like the two tracks doubled up... maybe they should put their differences aside and make one kick-ass band?

[sambo]

I like the two tracks doubled up... maybe they should put their differences aside and make one kick-ass band?

:lol: I was thinking exactly the same! :lol:

[dave_mc]

i dunno sambo, it's pretty similar (more than 3 notes in any case), almost the exact rhythm etc. Plus that's more or less the song's main hook (in both cases).

[headtheball]

Similarity in the Oasis/Wonder case is putting it mildly. He's now credited as co-writer on the track.

[Adam.M]

I kinda see it but, satch's song sounds like a satch song and coldplays song sounds like a coldplay song... neither really remind me of the other.

Theres billions of possibilities in music, but theres only so many that work, and work together.

There are some right rip off's out there, but i don't think this is one of them. I can understand where satch is coming from, but if i were creating a melody to that backing track, i would have done something similar too.

[noodleplugerine]

That comparison vid is HILARIOUS, the two together is $%&#ing incredible. Seems impossible, I reckon they could've ripped it off - I don't imagine them to be talented enough to write a whole song.

[lifted]

When is Bono going to sue the singer, or the EDGE, for that matter?

[Sifu Ben]

I kinda see it but, satch's song sounds like a satch song and coldplays song sounds like a coldplay song... neither really remind me of the other.

Theres billions of possibilities in music, but theres only so many that work, and work together.

There are some right rip off's out there, but i don't think this is one of them. I can understand where satch is coming from, but if i were creating a melody to that backing track, i would have done something similar too.

George Harrison tried that defence, he lost.

[Simon D]

Stupid move by Satch IMO.  Nothing good will come of it - it will be a PR disaster & he'll gain no money (in fact he'll probably make a net loss after lawyers fees etc)

I'm not convinced it's that smart a move from a PR standpoint either. However, even though I'm no musicologist, the two tracks do sound quite similar. Like you say, Satch probably won't win (though I'd like him to - I'm a fan), but I'm just hoping his record company lawyers are acting for him so he doesn't get too screwed by lawyers' fees.

[Johnny Mac]

I reckon it is a rip off. They sound almost identical. When trying to write something the possibilitys are almost endless, limited only by what works musically, the writers imagination and limitations. Where did Chris Martin start the writing process of this song? The rhythm? The Chords? The melody? The riff? The lyrics? Then what did he do? The choice of paths for where this would have turned out are huge. For it all to sound like Satch's song suggests this is plagiarism.
There's no reason to suggest he doesn't listen to satch. Most folk who like Coldplay would never had heard of Satch so its safe that his fans wouldn't discover it.