Has anything actully designed specifically for metal every been any good?

[noodleplugerine]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

[MDV]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

I do. By far.

[nfe]

I would agree. Overwhelmingly. I'd pop them above Jacksons too, though I've never actually played that many high end Jacksons so it's not a particularly fair comparison.

[dave_mc]

WTF?

Engls - various
BK - Lots
Diezel - VH4 and herbert
Bogner Uberschall
EMGs (Yes, I said it)
jackson, Ibanez, ESP et al
My legra
Blackmachines

Dude, its a long, long list. Kranks?!?!?! Youre looking in the wrong place mate!

+1

because by the time your 30 you've grown out of metal and bought a prs custom 24 and a cornford hurricane and a bunch of boutique pedals or something to that effect.

well either that or by the time you're 30 what you thought was metal is now called classic rock...

[noodleplugerine]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

I do. By far.

Care to give a reason?

I've never played a Dean that I'd go anywhere near, gaudy and horrible... Including the 4.5k US Custom shop Razorback which is imo one of the worst playing guitars I've ever picked up.

Not to mention the Dean guy who was running the stand was a total knobhead. (This was at LGS).

[the_bleeding]

I really like the tones on Cannibal Corpse's KILL album.  6FU have used Rectos too and their tones are pretty meaty.

Do Satyricon use Rectos now? I saw them on the Now Diabolical tour and it was 5150s - the records sounds like 5150s too.

kills is a combination of triple recs and powerballs i THINK. - powerballs for sure

and im quite sure satyricon used triple recs on volcano. cant really explain other albums though. Hes really secretive about his amps.

[MDV]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

I do. By far.

Care to give a reason?

I've never played a Dean that I'd go anywhere near, gaudy and horrible... Including the 4.5k US Custom shop Razorback which is imo one of the worst playing guitars I've ever picked up.

Not to mention the Dean guy who was running the stand was a total knobhead. (This was at LGS).

Ive never played a dean that didnt hit WELL above its price in build and acoustic tone, and the opposite istrue of ESPs, both the 'real' esps and ltds. I have a custom shop dean thats a positively $%&#ing shiteeee hot guitar, (not custom built for me, but its a long story). Dean stock hardware is good, even on budget stuff, and the pickups are really excellent. I cant say any of that for anything but ful on ESP, and after playing more LTDs than I care to think about I would have to be paid to own one. The £800+ stuff is bested by £300 stuff from dean, and other manufacturers.

YMMV, but thats my experience.

Now, care to give a reason that you think ESPs are better?

[MDV]

I really should have put dean instead of ESP in my other post! I dont know what I was thinking! Name prolification probably (and 'real' esps are very good, just overpriced by a factor of about 1.5 to 2.5).

[MDV]

I would agree. Overwhelmingly. I'd pop them above Jacksons too, though I've never actually played that many high end Jacksons so it's not a particularly fair comparison.

Close call between dean and jackson for me. At the budget end, dean takes it by a mile, at the top end, its blow for blow in my experience.

[dheim]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

ops... i didn't write exactly what i mean... i should have said in REVERSE order! :)

[MDV]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

ops... i didn't write exactly what i mean... i should have said in REVERSE order! :)

Then now would be the time to PANIC! :lol:

[dheim]

I would agree. Overwhelmingly. I'd pop them above Jacksons too, though I've never actually played that many high end Jacksons so it's not a particularly fair comparison.

i had one high end jackson... and that's why i would NEVER buy another one in my life.

[MDV]

I would agree. Overwhelmingly. I'd pop them above Jacksons too, though I've never actually played that many high end Jacksons so it's not a particularly fair comparison.

i had one high end jackson... and that's why i would NEVER buy another one in my life.

I've found top end jacksons really variable. Some are utterly delicious in all ways, some make you wonder what the big deal is for. Keep trying them out, and unless I'm insane and know nothing about guitars you should find some that make your jaw drop and you check your bank balance

[dheim]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

ops... i didn't write exactly what i mean... i should have said in REVERSE order! :)

Then now would be the time to PANIC! :lol:

i actually like deans (but i can't dig the V head!)... my only prolonged experience with them is my korean built caddy (with NO V head!), and despite being a lo-middle range guitar is absolutely great!
you'll soon see it, as i've ordered a couple of BKPs to upgrade it...  :)

[MDV]

metal oriented guitars are a different league... not only BC rich (with it's ridiculous shapes), but also Jackson, Dean, ESP and many other good or excellent brands (i listed them strictly in order of liking) focus on models with a sort of "metalhead appeal", and they make great guitars too!

Out of interest, does this mean you rate Deans above ESPs?

ops... i didn't write exactly what i mean... i should have said in REVERSE order! :)

Then now would be the time to PANIC! :lol:

i actually like deans (but i can't dig the V head!)... my only prolonged experience with them is my korean built caddy (with NO V head!), and despite being a lo-middle range guitar is absolutely great!
you'll soon see it, as i've ordered a couple of BKPs to upgrade it...  :)

I really hate the headstock. But I tollerate it because they get the job done like a ninja on crack.

Save my custom. Irritatingly enough that has an ESP rip off headstock. Or maybe ESP ripped it off. In any case, they elected not to put their silly headstock on superstrats.