How many do you need?

[MDV]

And, no its not. Theres that pesky imposition of the mindstate of the reader on the tone of text ;)

You mean supposition.

I mean imposition.

Well, if you meant to use imposition in this context your initial refutation ("no its not.") was illogical.

The mindstate of the reader is subjective and outside of your direct experience.

You would have no epistemological grounds to construct such a challenge.

The assertion that the thread was hot refferenced the thread, an independently observable phenomenon.

Since my interpretation of the thread is that its all in good fun as usual, and his was distictly at odds with that interpretation, and cursory enquiry into the possibility of one interpreting the thread as hot led me to think it plausible, and given the known tendency of readers to impose their own mindstate on text in the absence of the additional communication from tone of voice and body language, I concluded that it was more probable that the comment was a representation of his state of mind rather than the thread itself (by which I mean the state of mind of all the contributors to the thread), and that he had imposed that state onto the thread.

Should such be the case, you would be equally susceptible to your own criticism as all the conditional attributes of this thread experienced by Bradock PI would have had to have been experienced by you.

If your refutation of Bradock's claim to the thread being "hot" relied upon observable attributes such as temperature, I would question its rationality.

If your refutation relied upon inductive reasoning (as I suspect) the extended definition derived from the colloquial use of the term "hot" to imply intensity, vehemence,  passion or enthusiasm  as in "hot topic" undermines your original  position.

Woefully untrue, since for the same logic to be applicable to myself I would have to have no awarness of my own state of mind.

I have made no statements on the temperature of the bare knuckle forum host servers, which would be the closest thing to the thermodynamic temperature of the thread one could find, and you have merely substituted a lack of experiementally derived certainty for my stance as a falsification for it,  presenting no reasonable grounds for objection, merely declaring by feat that my position is incorrect.

You would do well to exercise some critical analysis of your own analysis, sir.

Your lack of rigour is once again apparent. I had hoped my clear reference to "conditional attributes" would have guided your thoughts toward the topic.

Your rhetorical gambit of continually referencing what you "haven't" said in an attempt to obfuscate will not serve you well on this occasion.


Such are the tools of sophistry not philosophy.

(Thanks Roo for correcting MDV's on his misuse of a priori  PDT_004 PDT_028)

Kindly review the discussion thus far and, as is plain for all to see, confirm that my allusions to what I have not said have been only in response to false accusations or suppositions (note the correct use of the term, that you might learn to apply it better in future) beyond actual my statements: you have stated to me that I have stated that which I have not, I have retorted that I have not and that you have fabricated these suppositions (some revision for you) and placed the words in my mouth for your own convienience.

These are works of fiction in the interpretation of the reader, mingled with over-excited attempts to undermine a reasonbly stated position while providing no falsification of the position or alternative interpretation or hypothese.

That, my good man, is the very heart and soul of sophistry, rhetoric, demogogy, strawman-creation, smokescreening and fallacious argument! Tend to your own house before casting such accusations at mine, good sir!

[MDV]

For the sake of eveyones sanity I refer Dave and MDV here (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/)

A repugnant and deplorable attempt to inhibit and constrain exercise of linguistic inventiveness, the enhanced specificity and descriptive power available with expanded vocabulary and command of the english language, and stunt the level of commonly read speech to that of the lowest common denomenator!

No, I tell you!

(to put it another way, the dumbest mother$%&#ers in various districts round the country, that speak their local dialect rather than english and dont understand anything more complex than football comentary complained to their councils and this happened. I dont like it, I dont need it, I dont want it, and while this pontification-fest between dave and I is obvioulsy toungue in cheek and humourous (at least to us), its frankly embarrasing that I know germans, spaniards, japanese, dutch, french and greeks that speak better english than the average cumbrian, c--kney, scouser, gordie, mancunian or brummie).

[_tom_]

I have no idea what MDV and Dave are talking about :lol: :oops:

[gwEm]

For the sake of eveyones sanity I refer Dave and MDV here (http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/)

A repugnant and deplorable attempt to inhibit and constrain exercise of linguistic inventiveness, the enhanced specificity and descriptive power available with expanded vocabulary and command of the english language, and stunt the level of commonly read speech to that of the lowest common denomenator!

No, I tell you!

(to put it another way, the dumbest mother$%&#ers in various districts round the country, that speak their local dialect rather than english and dont understand anything more complex than football comentary complained to their councils and this happened. I dont like it, I dont need it, I dont want it, and while this pontification-fest between dave and I is obvioulsy toungue in cheek and humourous (at least to us), its frankly embarrasing that I know germans, spaniards, japanese, dutch, french and greeks that speak better english than the average cumbrian, c--kney, scouser, gordie, mancunian or brummie).

well up yours mate innit blud

[gwEm]

theres two sets of stairs leading from my flat to the ground.

one night i heard shouting from one of the stairs and i took the other flight. naturally i stopped and listened to what the argument was about:

"you're talking sh1t bruv"

"no, YOU'RE talking sh1t bruv"

"NO!, YOU'RE talking sh1t bruv!!"

"NO!, YOU'RE talking sh1t bruv!!"

"you're the one talking sh1t bruv!!"

etc etc

i shook my head and went on my way...

i think the MDV/Dave argument is a fancy version of that

[Roobubba]

Oooh, 'ark at them and their epistemologicals.  :|

LOL!

I prefer to use plain English as far as is possible. Not only does it make one seem less pretentious, it also is often a greater challenge: the art of communicating difficult subjects to a diverse audience is perhaps the greatest hurdle for a modern-day scientist to overcome. I'd love to wow you all with talk of the determination of the three-dimensional structure of proteins, but alas that topic will have to wait for another day.

The bottom line is this: you guys (MDV and Dave) may be able to use a plethora of little-used words in a rather high-brow manner, but you're both WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY off topic :)

Roo

[MDV]

Oooh, 'ark at them and their epistemologicals.  :|

LOL!

I prefer to use plain English as far as is possible. Not only does it make one seem less pretentious, it also is often a greater challenge: the art of communicating difficult subjects to a diverse audience is perhaps the greatest hurdle for a modern-day scientist to overcome. I'd love to wow you all with talk of the determination of the three-dimensional structure of proteins, but alas that topic will have to wait for another day.

The bottom line is this: you guys (MDV and Dave) may be able to use a plethora of little-used words in a rather high-brow manner, but you're both WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY off topic :)

Roo

Linguistic capability is like theory, sustain, gain, low end, strings, beer, fags and women - I'd rather have/have access to more than I really need, just in case.

I for one would like to hear about determination of protien structure. How'd you do it? NMR? X-Ray? STM? AFM?

[Antag]

For me, probably a mix of B & A (in that order)
Perhaps there's a bit of D in there too and
F) Some guitars I wouldn't buy again, but now I have them it would be a hassle to sell them (+ I'd lose money)

I have 25 guitars  :oops:  Realistically it's too many for a non-professional musician.  But of those guitars, there are 3 - maybe 4 at a stretch - that I'd happily get rid of.

Believe it or not, there are still some things I need:
Nylon strung/classical
4-string bass (would like a Warwick $$)

& plenty of things I want:
MORE JACKSONS!! :twisted: (at least one more KV2, an RR1, any interesting used custom shop models from the 80s/90s)
Something pointy with a Kahler (see above)
Some Feline creations (have at least two ideas)
A Bernie Rico Jr Vixen (pref the Gary Holt sig model)
More PRSes (an SC250 & a Custom 22)
More Taylors (a GS6, GS8, maybe a 610CE too)
A "real" strat (as opposed to HSS/floyd) - never owned one
A Tele (sorry Roo)
An SG (someone with a middle name of Angus really should own at least one :))
An ES335 or some other semi - again, never owned one, would like something completely different & non-rock.
A whole bunch of guitars that are no longer made that I either owned & regret selling or covetted but didn't buy...

[MDV]

Oh, I am quite irrationally gassing for a jackson warrior

I like the shape.

[Philly Q]

I for one would like to hear about determination of protien structure. How'd you do it? NMR? X-Ray? STM? AFM?

Oh god Roo, if you must do it, do it in a PM.  Please.


(That's a PM to MDV.  Not me.)

[Roobubba]

I for one would like to hear about determination of protien structure. How'd you do it? NMR? X-Ray? STM? AFM?

(That's a PM to MDV.  Not me.)

LOL

Philly, you disappoint me! There are few better feelings than correctly building an alpha helix! :)

MDV - I'll not drag this topic off further, suffice to say X-ray is my bag at the moment.

And back, kicking and screaming, on topic: whoa hang on, 5 pages? Methinks there is no topic any more!!

[Philly Q]

Philly, you disappoint me! There are few better feelings than correctly building an alpha helix! :)

I'm sure it's the proverbial "better than sex".


 :|

[MDV]

Theres a topic?

X-ray...cool. Been a while since I did that, and it was only crystalography. Probably much more straighforward.

[Bradock PI]

I think the 'REAL' problem here is that many of the forum users have no idea how many guitars they have and have forgotten which ones they play. The delay in responding is therefore due to them having to go and count them with their better half saying " Don't forget the one under the sofa", "you have two in the garden shed", "didn't you leave one with your cousin Brian", "I do know about the three on top of the wardrobe you know", "Yes I think you should add up the parts bins as well 7 necks, 8 bodies, 16 pickups, 12 sets of tuners, 143 packs of strings", "you know something I'm leaving you we can't move for *$*^$* guitars here"

Oh dear I am sorry I didn't realise conting your guitars could get you in so much trouble, still now at least you can post!!

[ailean]

I own 1 guitar, my better half owns the rest :)