Modellers

[MDV]

$%&# them

$%&# them right in the ear.

I've had enough of their tinny boomy shallow fake sounding shitee

All my future recording is to be done with an amp at low volume with careless mic placement first, reamped at higher volume and blood-sweat and tears finding the best sound later.

Amps + Mics = what the Music God intended

Amen

That will be all.

Edit - No one mention the Axe-FX! (I'm looking at you, hunter!).

[Nadz1lla]

Edit - No one mention the Axe-FX! (I'm looking at you, hunter!).

Well...oh. Shutting up.  PDT_043

[Twinfan]

I'm with you Mark.  Death to all modellers!!!!!!

:gib: :chain: :snipe: :plasma: :rip: :rock: :trans: :bio: :flak: :enforcer: :impact:  :shock:

[indysmith]

On the whole I'd have to agree. For any proper recordings a nice mic and a nice amp and a nice room are essential, but that doesn't stop modellers from being super-useful and relatively cheap tools for getting ideas down quick...

[_tom_]

Amplitube 2 is so good for the sheer convenience. I actually sort of like the tones I get out of it more than anything I've recorded from my amp, because my mic technique is pretty bad and I never really get to crank the amp.

I think the modeller sound is great for the djent style of metal as well, heard loads of great tones from Bulb/Nolly/some other people on HCAF.

[MDV]

On the whole I'd have to agree. For any proper recordings a nice mic and a nice amp and a nice room are essential, but that doesn't stop modellers from being super-useful and relatively cheap tools for getting ideas down quick...

Nah. You dont need the "nice" stuff. Maybe mic, but even then - You need to understand your stuff. Your amp/s, your speakers, your mic/s, your room, and be able to figure out the best places to put your cab/amp and the best way to place that mic with that speaker in that room.

People rely too much on gear to record and not enough on expertise. Someone that knows what they're doing will get better results with £1000 worth of gear than someone that doesnt will with £100'000.

Not that I'm an expert. But I know enough to know how little I know ;)

Amp + cab + mics + room/space needs you to know what youre doing with each part of that chain. It needs you to think and experiment. Do so and it will reward you.

Modellers just need you to dial them in, and they still sound like a pale shadow of the real thing.

[MDV]

Oh, and with real recording it also pays, and is great fun, to get a bit resourcefull getting the sound you want.

Want some chorus that doesnt sound fake? Calculate the distance needed for the delay time you want and put a mic that distance away from the main mic. Want more high end attack? Record in a bathroom and let the tiles do the work. Too much 'slap' in there? Put a duvet on one of the walls. Want different reverbs? Record in different rooms.

If putting a mic inside a sock in a goldfish bowl on the roof is what you have to do, thats what you do.

I miss that shitee as much as anything else. When youre recording properly you arent just using your gear, youre using your environment. Its 1000% more fun, rewarding and real-sounding.

[hunter]

I'd say it's all in the fingers  :lol:

[MDV]

I'd say it's all in the fingers  :lol:

:lol:

Well now I feel silly - what am I gonna do with 15,000 in gear if all I need are fingers???

[CaptainDesslock]

I've had enough of their tinny boomy shallow fake sounding shiteeee

All my future recording is to be done with an amp at low volume with careless mic placement first, reamped at higher volume and blood-sweat and tears finding the best sound later.

Amps + Mics = what the Music God intended

Amen

That will be all.

Edit - No one mention the Axe-FX! (I'm looking at you, hunter!).

Hehe your such a tone snob, modellers are THE BEST when you simply need a swiss army knife of tones to help sort out ideas and just try something else, no its definitely not something you'd take ON STAGE, but for chillin in YO GARAGE, its pretty damn cost efficiant, especially when you blew all your money on your Legra and can't afford anything else  :oops: gettin a budget overdrive, distortion, fuzz, delay, whammy, wah harmonizer, looper flanger, chorus, reverb, univibe...the list goes on, for 150 bones is $%&#in steal, my Rp255 rules all....mwhahahaha

[MDV]

I'm no tone snob

If I was a tone snob I'd have entitled the thread "Digital" and in it stated how I'm done with it cos it sounds shite and I'm going back to tape ;)

Modellers have a tonne of stuff in them, tis true, but yer confusing quantity and quality, mate :P

[hunter]

I think it depends on what you're after. I play in 2 bands at the moment, my old band have a female singer and we go for more pop/rock stuff, playing covers of Pink, Katy Perry, and lots of weird stuff too, where I need many many different tones to fill the space, as we are only a D/B/G setup, the other band is a 6 piece (D/B/V/K/G/G) that mainly requires metal guitars, with some effects here and there.

I can do it all with my 6U rack and the 4x12 cabs that are in both rehearsal spaces (I have a H&K with Greenbacks in the place for the Pop/Rock project, and I borrow a Marshall 4x12 with G12t75s on the metal thing). It's easy to set up and very versatile.

As I am amplifying with a VHT2502 I also get the punch and warmth of a tube rig and get the right feeling in the room.

I do still have the Shiva head, but hardly using it now, it's just too complicated to lug around, organise, set up.

If I had the roadies and techs to care for it, I'd probably play a Herbert or an Ueber for the metal gig and an XTC Classic for the pop/rock gig, but I don't wanna spend the cash or time on optimising FX loops, switching, power supply, cabling etc.

So yeah, maybe it's only 90% as good, but for me it's good enough.

[MDV]

Yeah but youre going against an axe fx run through a VHT poweramp into a good cab

I'm talking DI'd and more convetional modellers.

I havent passed judgment on the axe yet, because I havent tried one. And I'm not willing to spend the 1.5 grand to try it. The clips are better, but I think I'm starting to hear its particular brand of fakeness in it in blind A/Bs that are kicking about the place. I'm unconvinced, and can only possibly be convinced one way or the other by spending some time with one

[hunter]

what about this guy's clip here: http://www.hugeracksinc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57360

[JDC]

If putting a mic inside a sock in a goldfish bowl on the roof is what you have to do, thats what you do.

does this include the fish for extra harmonic richness?

I bet you didn't try revalver 3 did you!