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Ian Price

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2112
« on: May 27, 2009, 08:54:01 PM »
Just listening to 2112 and have a question for the rush fans on here. Who assumes control at the end of 2112? Is it the elders or the priests? I'm confused  :?
I think I hate being indecisive.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2009, 08:58:48 PM »
It's the Solar Federation, which includes the Priests of Syrinx. The hero in this tale commits suicide when he realizes that the world of his dreams will never be realized, especially after the priests destroy the only extant musical instrument left on the planet.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2009, 09:09:19 PM »
"I lie awake, staring out at the bleakness of Megadon. City and sky become one, merging into a single plane, a vast sea of unbroken grey. The Twin Moons, just two pale orbs as they trace their way across the steely sky. I used to think I had a pretty good life here, just plugging into my machine for the day, then watching Templevision or reading a Temple Paper in the evening.

"My friend Jon always said it was nicer here than under the atmospheric domes of the Outer Planets. We have had peace since 2062, when the surviving planets were banded together under the Red Star of the Solar Federation. The less fortunate gave us a few new moons.
I believed what I was told. I thought it was a good life, I thought I was happy. Then I found something that changed it all..."

I. Overture

And the meek shall inherit the earth...

II. Temples of Syrinx

... "The massive grey walls of the Temples rise from the heart of every Federation city. I have always been awed by them, to think that every single facet of every life is regulated and directed from within! Our books, our music, our work and play are all looked after by the benevolent wisdom of the priests..."

We've taken care of everything
The words you hear, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes.
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why.

We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.

Look around at this world we've made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh, what a nice, contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand.

We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls.

III. Discovery

... "Behind my beloved waterfall, in the little room that was hidden beneath the cave, I found it. I brushed away the dust of the years, and picked it up, holding it reverently in my hands. I had no idea what it might be, but it was beautiful" ...

... "I learned to lay my fingers across the wires, and to turn the keys to make them sound differently. As I struck the wires with my other hand, I produced my first harmonious sounds, and soon my own music! How different it could be from the music of the Temples! I can't wait to tell the priests about it! ..."

What can this strange device be?
When I touch it, it gives forth a sound
It's got wires that vibrate and give music
What can this thing be that I found?

See how it sings like a sad heart
And joyously screams out its pain
Sounds that build high like a mountain
Or notes that fall gently like rain.

I can't wait to share this new wonder
The people will all see its light
Let them all make their own music
The Priests praise my name on this night.

IV. Presentation

... "In the sudden silence as I finished playing, I looked up to a circle of grim, expressionless faces. Father Brown rose to his feet, and his somnolent voice echoed throughout the silent Temple Hall." ...

... "Instead of the grateful joy that I expected, they were words of quiet rejection! Instead of praise, sullen dismissal. I watched in shock and horror as Father Brown ground my precious instrument to splinters beneath his feet..."

I know it's most unusual
To come before you so
But I've found an ancient miracle
I thought that you should know
Listen to my music
And hear what it can do
There's something here as strong as life
I know that it will reach you.

Yes, we know, it's nothing new
It's just a waste of time
We have no need for ancient ways
Our world is doing fine
Another toy will help destroy
The elder race of man
Forget about your silly whim
It doesn't fit the plan.

I can't believe you're saying
These things just can't be true
Our world could use this beauty
Just think what we might do.
Listen to my music
And hear what it can do
There's something here as strong as life
I know that it will reach you.

Don't annoy us further!
We have our work to do.
Just think about the average
What use have they for you?
Another toy will help destroy
The elder race of man
Forget about your silly whim
It doesn't fit the Plan!

V. Oracle: The Dream

... "I guess it was a dream, but even now it all seems so vivid to me. Clearly yet I see the beckoning hand of the oracle as he stood at the summit of the staircase" ...

... "I see still the incredible beauty of the sculptured cities and the pure spirit of man revealed in the lives and works of this world. I was overwhelmed by both wonder and understanding as I saw a completely different way to life, a way that had been crushed by the Federation long ago. I saw now how meaningless life had become with the loss of all these things ..."

I wandered home though the silent streets
And fell into a fitful sleep
Escape to realms beyond the night
Dream can't you show me the light?

I stand atop a spiral stair
An oracle confronts me there
He leads me on light years away
Through astral nights, galactic days
I see the works of gifted hands
That grace this strange and wondrous land
I see the hand of man arise
With hungry mind and open eyes

They left the planet long ago
The elder race still learn and grow
Their power grows with purpose strong
To claim the home where they belong
Home to tear the Temples down...
Home to change!

VI. Soliloquy

... "I have not left this cave for days now, it has become my last refuge in my total despair. I have only the music of the waterfall to comfort me now. I can no longer live under the control of the Federation, but there is no other place to go. My last hope is that with my death I may pass into the world of my dream, and know peace at last."

The sleep is still in my eyes
The dream is still in my head
I heave a sigh and sadly smile
And lie a while in bed
I wish that it might come to pass
Not fade like all my dreams...

Just think of what my life might be
In a world like I have seen!
I don't think I can carry on
Carry on this cold and empty life

My spirits are low in the depths of despair
My lifeblood...
...spills over...

VII. The Grand Finale
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control.
We have assumed control.

Ian Price

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Re: 2112
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 09:45:40 PM »
Cheers Ben! It's the use of the word "assumed" in "assumed control" that makes me wonder. If the red star federation were in control, had it challenged by the elders and won wouldn't they have said something like regained or resumed control? Maybe I'm taking it too literally (or not literally enough!)

Great song/story though!
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Re: 2112
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 09:53:16 PM »
Since the solar federation never lost control and he sings of the elder race growing in power and the voice is different it is clear he kills himself assuming he has had a vision of something that will never be only for it to happen just as he dies

The elder race never lost control they just left they weren't defeated and the assumtion is the right term

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Re: 2112
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 10:17:41 PM »
where is the 'over my head' smiley?

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Re: 2112
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 10:20:02 PM »
where is the 'over my head' smiley?
+1.

All this bollocks sounds interesting though...
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Re: 2112
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 10:23:08 PM »
where is the 'over my head' smiley?

It's on your avatar's face!
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Those who do and those who do not.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2009, 10:45:37 PM »
where is the 'over my head' smiley?

It's on your avatar's face!

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Re: 2112
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2009, 10:52:21 PM »
I always hope Neal Peart is a bit embarrassed in hindsight at all the Ann Rand worship and US-nurtured-Commie-terror present in 2112.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2009, 10:59:06 PM »
I always hope Neal Peart is a bit embarrassed in hindsight at all the Ann Rand worship and US-nurtured-Commie-terror present in 2112.

With the millions he has earned I'm sure he isn't too worried about that  :)
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Re: 2112
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 11:03:51 PM »
Well yeah, there is that.

Still, you'd hope that having an in sleeve dedication to a right wing buffoon makes you regret things a little, even if you don't regret the houses it bought you.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2009, 03:36:51 AM »
It sounds like you know nothing about Peart, his ideals or philosophies, nor the circumstances that surrounded the concept of 2112 ...  Read one of his books before casting aspersions his way! And you misspelled Ayn Rand ...
« Last Edit: May 28, 2009, 03:41:14 AM by Denim n Leather »

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Re: 2112
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2009, 03:38:37 AM »
Since the solar federation never lost control and he sings of the elder race growing in power
No, his vision of the Elder Race was a dream. They are long dead!!! The lyrics are a blend of many things -- part sci fi story, part "Objectivism Made Easy" and part autobiographical about what was happening to the band during that time.
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Ian Price

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Re: 2112
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2009, 09:02:15 AM »
No, his vision of the Elder Race was a dream. They are long dead!!!

Cheers Ben - didn't clock that the elder race bit was all in the dream. That makes it easier to follow!
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