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Philly Q

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Re: 2112
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2009, 10:36:18 AM »
I like Danger Danger, I like sunny days & hugs. I like cheese burgers and I like the beach. They make me smile :)

I do not understand this thread, it makes me sad inside :(


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Re: 2112
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2009, 02:03:42 PM »
I like Danger Danger, I like sunny days & hugs. I like cheese burgers and I like the beach. They make me smile :)

I do not understand this thread, it makes me sad inside :(


 :lol: :lol:


Good! As they say in the South:

Don't let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya on the way out!! PDT_008

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Re: 2112
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2009, 02:28:46 PM »
But generally, it's ok to be left wing because it finds it's basis in a hope for equality for all people, whilst it's not ok to be right wing because it finds it's basis in superiority for a minority.

LOLOLLLOLL!!1!!!1

Moron!
There is no left or right. It's all the same. "equality for all people" means that we are all peasants / slaves. Except not all. This is the hypocrisy of the "left". Ruling class is exempt, special rules for special people.

Standing for freedom, liberty, the right to rule your own destiny makes you a "bigot" in todayspeak. Dare to excel or succeed and you will come under attack.

Fire away, peasant. Please tell me of the joys of your mediocrity, and how wrong I am in "yearning to be free."
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Re: 2112
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2009, 02:49:38 PM »
Red One, Stay on target!!

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STAY ON TOPIC!!! Please don't make me get out my red pen and scissors. ;)

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Re: 2112
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2009, 02:52:51 PM »
Red One, Stay on target!!

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STAY ON TOPIC!!! Please don't make me get out my red pen and scissors. ;)

Cheers Ben! I was hoping that a sensible note would be posted in response! What a good moderator you are, 10 brownie points for you  :lol:
I think I hate being indecisive.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2009, 03:46:13 PM »
Sorry.....I was only trying to channel the emotion that penned 2112.....

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Re: 2112
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2009, 05:23:18 PM »
Sorry.....I was only trying to channel the emotion that penned 2112.....

 :D

:lol: Nice try... but you needed to find a way to clearly link a discussion on the merits of nfe's statement with the concepts that Mr Peart explores in 2112 ...

I suspect that a link of that sort would be a bit tenuous though - most of Peart's piece seems to centre on a questioning individual's difficulties with a state that does not want free-thought (although he spoils it with a "Red Star", which has resonances for all of us, even more so back in the late 70s).

Aside from that Red Star, 2112 isn't really discussing specific political idealogies - a set of ideas to be used as tools to control people and make them do what you think they should - which is what both "right" and "left" are...

No! 2112's all about "stickin it to de man" (or sadly not, in this case), like all good rock and roll should be :lol:
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Re: 2112
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2009, 05:26:33 PM »
FYI, the Red Star of the Federation was inspired by the ole Texas 'barn star'.

http://www.artisticmetalart.com/files/1672165/uploaded/texas-barn-star-solid-red.JPG

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Re: 2112
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2009, 05:29:25 PM »
FYI, the Red Star of the Federation was inspired by the ole Texas 'barn star'.

http://www.artisticmetalart.com/files/1672165/uploaded/texas-barn-star-solid-red.JPG

Many thanks :D, I was really disappointed just now when I spotted that "Red Star" in there, I thought "Mr Peart, what have you done?!" but if it's Texas after all - "yeehaw!" :lol:
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Re: 2112
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2009, 05:36:13 PM »
If you really wanna know all the ins and outs of Pearts' lyrics, look for the uber rare Grace Under Pressure Rush biog. There are a couple of other ones out there, too, like Martin Popoff's Contents Under Pressure and Jon Collins' Chemistry: the Definitive Biography, but they don't go into the same detail about the lyrics.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2009, 06:10:40 PM »
2112 isn't really discussing specific political idealogies - a set of ideas to be used as tools to control people and make them do what you think they should - which is what both "right" and "left" are...

....which is exactly what I said. To clarify, "right" and "left" are no longer useful terms in describing political ideologies. It's all pretty much the same hypocritical corrupt BS. These divisions are promoted as a smokescreen to cover the fact that worldwide,  in pretty much the last 100 years, all governments have grown massively, and massively intrude in the private citizens' business.

So to say something like "Our socialist government is better than your facist government" or "left is better than right" is a very silly idea to me, you may as well put your brown shirt on and march in goose step, it's the same notion with a different flag.

2112 to me, is not about a specific political ideology, rather a commentary on the dangers of where we are going with the whole global government, New World Order, one world money system, Communist threat, Trilateral Commission, or whatever BS label you want to put on it.


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Re: 2112
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2009, 06:14:14 PM »
The give away is the 'attention all planets of the solar federation' -- no incumbent power would refer to their empire in that way
True. It is the Priests that assume control, not these mythical elder race that exist only in the dreams (which represents the art of that age -- in this case, the music, which is destroyed by those same Priests) of a manic depressive.

If it were the priests then it would be their voice it is not it is a new voice on the album one not heard before - the elder race. They have a tonal dialogue for each of the protagonists in the lyric.

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Re: 2112
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2009, 06:35:02 PM »
2112 isn't really discussing specific political idealogies - a set of ideas to be used as tools to control people and make them do what you think they should - which is what both "right" and "left" are...

....which is exactly what I said. To clarify, "right" and "left" are no longer useful terms in describing political ideologies.

What total, total nonsense.


Now, what's Bytor and the Snow Dog about?

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Re: 2112
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2009, 06:55:20 PM »
Now, what's Bytor and the Snow Dog about?

Buggered if I know.  But I never understood why By-Tor's the baddie in "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" and a goodie in "The Necromancer".
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Re: 2112
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2009, 06:58:11 PM »
what's Bytor and the Snow Dog about?
Not funny, leading question, and irrelevant!

Objection!!

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