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BNP On Question Time Tonight
« on: October 22, 2009, 12:01:53 PM »
Anyone planning to watch this?

I suspect that it will probably have the highest viewing figures ever...
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 12:06:32 PM »
i planned on going into work to see if i could get in teh studio or observation gallery, but i bet that wont happen, or the curtain will be over the gallery.

personally, i think this dudes rubbish needs a debate so that people can see the idiotic flaws in his policies.




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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 12:17:33 PM »
personally, i think this dudes rubbish needs a debate so that people can see the idiotic flaws in his policies.

Absolutely.  I see no value in denying a buffoon his right to talk cr@p.
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 12:24:27 PM »
i walked past goldsmiths uni, (i live near there, its in south east london and it has a free cash machine inside it that i use) and there was all kinds of protest and petitions with the aim of stopping the BNP having a platform for speech on the BBC. I thought about it a while ago when i worked on a show in manchester that had the then head of the youth BNP on a panel show. before he even got in the building protests where being sent to the channel.

all that happened was during the show, every time he opened his mouth, something so dumb came out that everybody around him just shut him down.

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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 12:37:55 PM »
personally, i think this dudes rubbish needs a debate so that people can see the idiotic flaws in his policies.

Absolutely.  I see no value in denying a buffoon his right to talk cr@p.

I agree. 

I have a friend who's extremely "old Labour", she doesn't think he should be on and is getting involved in all these protests.  But personally, I think they should give Griffin the rope and let him hang himself (metaphorically - or literally for all I care).

I normally watch Question Time every week, but I'll be out tonight so I'll have to watch it on iPlayer.
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 12:45:26 PM »
I'll be watching tonight. There are some highly intelligent comments on BBC about it:

"yes yes yes cant wait to watch it ,they have lots of good things to say i love it"

"Of course he should. And he should be allowed to convey the views of the vast majority of the British people. Rule Britannia!"

"Personally I will boycott this program and I believe every one else should do so too"

I think there will be some heated debates.
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 12:48:12 PM »

personally, i think this dudes rubbish needs a debate so that people can see the idiotic flaws in his policies.



Well said Sir !  Give him enough rope ....

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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 12:48:19 PM »
Personally I don't think there is a problem with him being on it.  As much as I think the BNP are a MASSIVE bunch of arseholes, they've been voted in to some local councils, so it would be undemocratic to deny them a voice.

The fact that people have voted for them (in numbers big enough for them to get into some councils) means that a portion of the country agrees with the right wing knobheads and so their views (no matter how biggoted and just plain stupid) are no more or less valid than anyone elses.
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2009, 12:54:58 PM »
He has the right to be on it I believe? so why not... Will be a good watch

The people protesting are raising the awareness of it and making more people know of his cause - I should think that's exactly what he wants. Then Griff can say well actually they are wrong in how they spun it and he will make it all sound like fluffy clouds and winged angels.


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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2009, 12:57:19 PM »
he will make it all sound like fluffy clouds and winged angels.

White ones, presumably.
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2009, 01:02:16 PM »
i too disagree with everything he has to say, but would defend his right to say it.  it's better to have such idiocy out in the open than fermenting away in the underground.  if they're banned from open debate they have their righteous indignation and can rant to each other all the more about how they are being marginalised in their own country.  i just hope he does make a fool of himself and his organisation.  my fear would be that he'll go on to the programme and come across well.

the thing is, it won't make any difference.  the people that disagree with him will see what he says as bigoted nonsense and his followers will lap it up.

the protesters have a right to protest about his views, but not to stop him appearing.  if anyone does attack him physically, all they're doing is sinking to his level.
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2009, 01:03:28 PM »
he will make it all sound like fluffy clouds and winged angels.

White ones, presumably.

 :lol:
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2009, 01:06:11 PM »
he will make it all sound like fluffy clouds and winged angels.

White ones, presumably.

Clouds can also be black/grey!
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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2009, 01:09:52 PM »
Personally I don't think there is a problem with him being on it.  As much as I think the BNP are a MASSIVE bunch of arseholes, they've been voted in to some local councils, so it would be undemocratic to deny them a voice.

The fact that people have voted for them (in numbers big enough for them to get into some councils) means that a portion of the country agrees with the right wing knobheads and so their views (no matter how biggoted and just plain stupid) are no more or less valid than anyone elses.

Yes ;  whilst I am not an overtly political creature, I feel they are employing the ( usual extremist throughout history ) mechanism of hi-jacking certain general public concerns over things like NHS and Benefits 'loading' - and then using it as leverage for their own brand of extremist beliefs.  I therefore suspect  that if they have had any success thus far, perhaps more would be acheived in the longer term , by further exposing  the flawed thinking and ( in doing so ) hope to re-educate / enlighten the people who did vote for them originaly.  However, having written that - I fear that perhaps the sort of voter that  fell for such a 'party' in the first place , might be beyond rationalising and changing direction at a later date.  We can but hope that reason will prevail.


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Re: BNP On Question Time Tonight
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2009, 01:10:39 PM »
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if they're banned from open debate they have their righteous indignation and can rant to each other all the more about how they are being marginalised in their own country.

i agree with this. i think this is a major issue. making people already distant from current politicians etc... feel like they should band together even more because those people are trying to suppress their views.

(EDIT: i just read this back and i realised id pidgeon holed the right wing voter a bit too much.)

I also however... think that the debate needs bringing out because certain things done out of none racially biased patriotism (for example) can be labelled as such.
I was talking about this with the missus. shes from the area of leeds with the highest voting BNP numbers. She told me how at the british library, some people came to work with st george's cross lapel pins on on the morning of st george's day., not people who are right wing crazies, but people who want to embrace their heritage. they were told to remove them by management.

(EDIT: my missus aint right wing... haha. we were just having this chat as she came past the uni with me and saw the protest also. by embrace their heritage, i mean people who actually want to celebrate st george's day in some way, thats all.......SEE now im panicking because i think by saying this stuff you'll all think the I vote BNP! )

that kind of thing is as damaging as not allowing the BNP to speak.

p.s. I think St George's Day, Morris Dancing and Folk Music is awesome. that doesn't make me a racist nazi.
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