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Pierre

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« on: November 10, 2005, 07:44:09 PM »
Well as you can read in my other thread, I suspect there may be something wrong with the wiring. Or else, it's just not as tight or ballsy as I imagined. Don't get me wrong though, you'll see why:

The pickup is warmer than the FullShred it replaced. WAY warmer. The bass are less present, and it's not as good for chugging, I find.
However it's AMAZINGLY clear. More than the FullShred. It'd be perfect for Thrash for instance: not too much gain on the amp, but a lot of fast riffing.
The tightness didn't make me want to say 'OMFG' (yeah, in geek talk like this) as the FullShred did. On the contrary, I feel it's less tight than the FS, but way smoother (whereas the SeymourDuncan was very crunchy. That's not a bad thing at all :D)
It's not much hotter than the FullShred, but I can feel it has a little more strength to it. I thought it'd be tighter and with more output personally.
I feel the Harmonics are clear and pronounced, but harder to get than on the FullShred. I feel there are just less than on the FS overall. It's what caused my suspicions since it's supposed to be pretty strong in this level.

At first I had reversed the red and black wires (thinking black was hot...) but I rewired it correctly and well, I didn't notice a huge difference in sound. What should I have noticed?
Also, the pickup is 3.5 away from the strings on the low E screw piece. I arranged those screws to be in a zig zag pattern (if anyone experimented with this and can tell me tips or good positions for these, I'm all open :))
Overall, even though I expected something 'more', I can tell why Bareknuckle pickups get such a good reputation. The degree of clarity is AMAZING, especially for such a high output pickup. Thanks Tim for a great product, and if anyone can tell me if what I noticed is normal, I'd be glad :P
Oh I forgot to add, the strings are brand new too... Maybe this could influence the sound in a negative way?

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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2005, 09:22:48 PM »
You mentioned strange values on your pot's in your other post, could you elaborate on this please.

The fullshred only DC's at 14K and has a alnico V mag, so if you are not hearing more power and less bass something is wrong.
Do you have a voltmeter?

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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2005, 09:26:30 PM »
My guess is you have pots for active pickups, I can't remember the value of those anymore but I know they'll make a passive pickup sound weak and thin.

The Miracle Man should be used with 500k pots.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2005, 09:39:49 PM »
Red should go to hot, black and screen to ground(usually the rear of the volume pot) and green and white soldered together and taped out of the way if you're not using them for a  tap.
Swapping red and black simply routes the signal the opposite way round the pickup so won't alter the tone at all, only when the p/up is switched on with another one would you get a problem-basically it'd be out of phase.
SD wiring uses black as hot and green as ground...if you did this then you'd get a very weak tone so check your wiring.
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Pierre

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2005, 09:57:42 PM »
I did that Tim, Brow made me realise it haha! And I understand now why I didn't hear a difference after I put it back on correctly.
And yes, I do have pots for active electronics. The guitar has a midboost with it (6db) which adds output and mids. I really like this thing, but it really could be the problem? The FullShred sounded killer... The Miracle Man is better mind you, just maybe not at its best. Should I just get 3X500K pots and rewire the whole thing without the midboost?

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2005, 10:56:29 PM »
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Should I just get 3X500K pots and rewire the whole thing without the midboost?

Yes
That sounds sensible, and from what i've heard midboosts suck tone aswell... :?
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2005, 11:31:51 PM »
Alright :) I should get some soon and see what gives. Hopefully it'll give it more output too. Thanks guys!

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2005, 09:23:43 PM »
what tha $%&# Pierre?
you are spending too much time on The cabaret
spend more time on electronics
ahahahahah when you said that something is wrong (in the beginning of your post) with the miracle man, i was like "wooow, what tha $%&#?"
but when you said about the active stuff.. i presumed that you have a 25k pots
so, kick those cabaret hooker pots and put in 3 500 k
Better, only one volume. forget about the otehrs. you will have the true sound of the pickup. ahahahah
for MALES only huh?! ahahahahaha
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after that, iŽm really lookign forward to sell all my pickups, except my emgs. that iŽl keep.
cause i want to compare the articulation and tightness of the emg 81 witrh the ones on the bare knuckles iŽll buy.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2005, 09:37:54 PM »
ROFL!!!

JP put the SMACK down on this post!

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2005, 10:16:32 PM »
AHAHAHA hEJ DAVEY
How ready is your guitar going?

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2005, 12:34:28 PM »
steadily going on for the moment =)

Pierre

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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2005, 06:41:38 PM »
Ok I decided on the wiring:

Each on/off switch will control each pickup, as usual.
There will be a volume + tone for the neck pickup, and just volume for middle and bridge. This way the MM will get as little interferences as possible.
I don't quite know how to wire this though... I'll have to have a volume + tone in parrallel with the neck pickup's circuit, and a volume in parrallel with middle + bridge circuit? Each switch is connected to the other by their middle slug, and the left slug is connected to the pickup's hot wire.

Steve-Mr Pig 2U

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2005, 07:58:19 PM »
Have you tried bypassing the electronics to see if it makes a difference to the tone?

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2005, 10:50:26 PM »
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Have you tried bypassing the electronics to see if it makes a difference to the tone?

My thoughts exactly. Just wire it straight to the ouput jack directly - no switches or pots of any kind. Then go forward from there.
I have my VHII wired this way - single pickup directly to the jack. I really think it improved the tone of that guitar 100%!! Not even a volume control on that guitar. :)

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2005, 12:12:08 AM »
WHAT THA $%&# BEN
explain that again to me