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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2009, 01:19:52 AM »
I would certainly play a fair few more Strats before buying one - it will give you a better idea of what you can get for your money.  When I was in the market for a Tele I tried out lots of them and loved the butterscotch USA-made '52 RI, but then I played a MIM '72 Tele Custom and was sold - it ticked all the boxes.

I've also owned a Les Paul that cost twice as much as my trusty '90 standard and the expensive LP (a classic plus) just didn't have 'it' in the end.  I should've never bought it - was a bad decision with my VISA used in haste.  Barely played that guitar (used it as a backup) and sold it a couple of years later for a £400.00 loss. 

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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2009, 06:22:01 AM »
Dont jump right in, I think. Play more, as HTH says, get a feel for the variation in construction, woods and hardware.

If you can recognise a well made and acoustically well performing guitar easily (and by 'well' I mean 'sounds how you like it') then that can be upgraded and tailored to your tastes and experimented with till its nailed.

You can, as has been mentioned, find woods that perform very well acoustically in cheaper guitars. Its not even hard. You can also find poor woods and construction in expensive guitars, no matter what it says on the headstock. The variability is high at any price range (just a question of how high).

A lot of it is preconceptions and psychoacoustics. If you expect the 2000 quid custom guitar to be better it probably will be, subjectively. But could you tell the difference in a blind test?

For some perspective one of my main guitars is an Ibanez RG560 that someone changed the pickups in to I dont know what and dont care before I bought it. When I got that it went straight into the ranks of my top guitars, alongside three custom shops and one high end jackson. I then sold one of the custom shops, because it wasnt getting played since I got the ibanez. It cost me 100 quid. 10 times less than the RRP of the next cheapest guitar in my main gutiars (and 1/5th what I paid for it - 1/7th with the pickup change).

But I've also played RGs from the same era (late 80s - its an 89) that are unimpressive.

You can find some great guitars that dont cost the earth. You just have to look around and play as many as possible, and try to ignore what they're called, just listen pay attention to the sound and feel. If that leads you to multi thousand pound instruments, so be it, but it doesnt have to by any means.

Correction - two custom shops, one legra one dean. I got my second legra later, after I sold the dean.
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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2009, 08:37:16 AM »
i must admit to doing complete neck reworks and set-ups on relatively cheap strats that have ended up sounding pretty awesome... a pickup change and electronics change would make them king... a trem change would make them perfect


the fact is that you can get a well made maple strat necked strat for very little money and as long as its chosen well set-up is more important, and it can be made to play well.   

True. Setup is critical. My Esquire (see the "Esquire Love" thread) sounded and played liked like hot buttered cr@p before I got the intonation and the string heights set.

Afterwards, it played and sounded like a totally different guitar.

Also, learn to dress and polish frets and make nuts. A lot of guitars, including some plutocratic models, will benefit from this. In fact, a lot of the reputation of late 1970's Strats stems from the rushed and sloppy fret jobs and nuts that Fender was pushing out the door in those days.

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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2009, 01:30:27 PM »
Is it really about that black art? Or is it simply about having a nice guitar packed with astonishing pick ups? -Say a nice mexican...With some bare knuckles goin' on..? The same, or possibly even better quality?..Around half the price?

I can answer this as I have a £400 or so Mexi Fender Classic 50's Strat that has had a few BKPs in it and a friend of mine has a Custom Classic Strat. The answer is... No. The Mexi punches way above it's price tag (standard bridge pup aside), but it is destroyed in pretty much every department by the Custom Shop. The custom shop guitar is flawless, it rings like a bell unplugged and plugged in it's amazing. It's one of the few guitars I've played that was perfect out of the box. BUT, is it worth £1500 more than a BKP loaded Mexi... To me, no. But to someone who wants the best and is prepared to pay for it, most definitely.

Same goes for LPs. Same matey (who has a astonishing collection of kit) has a VOS LP and I have an Edwards LP based on the same. Again £400 vs about £2000. Out of the box the Edwards is REALLY well made and finished. Certainly not far off a Gibson Standard. The pups let it down though (Seymour JB/59) and they sounded mushy as hell next to the ones in VOS. I swapped them out for mules and sonically the gap was closed dramatically. However, again it's about comparing something flawless to something that's made to a price. The VOS still has the edge in all areas. Particularly the setup which is the best on any LP I've come across, even Gibson Standards. This seems to be a custom shop thing as his VOS SG is the same.

The same logic prevails here. If you want the best and are prepared to pay the premium for it, then the VOS is the only choice out of the two. If you're a pikey like me, the Edwards with Mules does a passable impression of the VOS for a quarter of the price.
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« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2009, 07:24:28 PM »
If you're okay with a (splittable) humbucker in the bridge, try a Suhr Pro Series:

http://suhrguitars.com/proSeries.aspx

John Suhr used to work in the Fender Custom Shop and he builds a hell of a strat.
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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2009, 12:27:27 PM »
I'd go for the custom strat that way I could make my dream start by:

  • Shortening the scale length (to around 24.75 inch)
  • Constructing it from mahogany with a maple top
  • Have twin HB's
  • Hard Tail
  • Block Inlays
  • Get it made in a slightly different shape, maybe with a single cutaway and an open book headstock
  • Have a custom "Gibson" logo on the headstock

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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2009, 01:22:42 PM »
I'd go for the custom strat that way I could make my dream start by:

  • Shortening the scale length (to around 24.75 inch)
  • Constructing it from mahogany with a maple top
  • Have twin HB's
  • Hard Tail
  • Block Inlays
  • Get it made in a slightly different shape, maybe with a single cutaway and an open book headstock
  • Have a custom "Gibson" logo on the headstock

 :P :P :P :P


Just an idea - shoot me down if this doesn't work for you - but maybe a thicker body with a carved top?

And call me crazy, but it's just an idea - have the neck glued-in instead of bolted?
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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2009, 01:27:39 PM »
I'd go for the custom strat that way I could make my dream start by:

  • Shortening the scale length (to around 24.75 inch)
  • Constructing it from mahogany with a maple top
  • Have twin HB's
  • Hard Tail
  • Block Inlays
  • Get it made in a slightly different shape, maybe with a single cutaway and an open book headstock
  • Have a custom "Gibson" logo on the headstock

 :P :P :P :P


Just an idea - shoot me down if this doesn't work for you - but maybe a thicker body with a carved top?

And call me crazy, but it's just an idea - have the neck glued-in instead of bolted?

Yeah, I've also always felt the Strat control layout is a little limited; you could consider specifying a volume and tone control per pickup.  It's a bit outlandish but I reckon it could work.

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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2009, 11:05:03 AM »
By Jove, I think we've cracked it.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2009, 01:29:29 PM »
Philistines.
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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2009, 01:44:14 PM »
I would also make my "special" Strat with 3-to-a-side tuners, and maybe add in a B5 Bigsby if you want a trem.

Archtop-style pickguard and carved top mandatory. Also back-loaded electronics.

And get it endorsed by Jimi Hendrix.

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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2009, 01:56:12 PM »
Philistines.

Just mucking about.  I'd prefer a Strat to an LP really.  Actually, I'd prefer a Tele or SG to either.
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2009, 04:09:28 AM »
speaking as a confirmed stratoholic, I'd always go for a partscaster build now. I've got 4 US strats and two partscasters built up from Fender/Mighty Mite spares and the partscasters are by far the best of the bunch, like custom built instruments at a third of the cost. I like to scour ebay for necks and bodies then pay the local guitar tech to knock them together and do a setup. Fender custom shop are building Toyotas at Ferrari prices, I really wouldn't bother.

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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2009, 11:18:13 AM »
Fender custom shop are building Toyotas at Ferrari prices

Ouch  :|
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Re: Guys help me, to find/create the perfect Stratoccaster..!
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2009, 04:13:00 PM »
Fender custom shop are building Toyotas at Ferrari prices

Ouch  :|


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