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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2010, 09:15:11 PM »
Really?  :lol:

I just threw them in a box! Thanks for the info, maybe I'll try them in a JTM 45 to see what the deal is. 

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2010, 10:21:55 PM »
Ei's are not being made anymore, but i know of a store, that has a limited amount (now, dont ask how many) of them in stock for about 26€ + tax & shipping a pop (ecc81 82 and 83) a quartet of el-84 for 90, kt-90 for 265 .. or a pair of siemens el-34's for 200

they stock a cr@pload of =C='s wither ... related to that, what to expect from =C= 12ax7's ?

I have some of the very first Svetlana Winged=C= 12AX7s back when they first came out - they're not too bad of a valve at all.

Just to save anyone wasting their money - please don't buy EI ECC83s, they go microphonic and/or noisy very quickly.  Save your money and go with some other preamp valves (pretty much anything else would be better).



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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2010, 08:11:29 AM »
I got 6 months out of a brand new quad of =C= 6L6's in my Twin, bought from Watford Valves. I paid extra for the =C= brand and advice from WV. I replaced them with TAD small bottle 6L6s which is what my tech had in stock. First point is they are cheaper in ££$$ than =C=, second they sound the same and thirdly they have been in and gigged hard for over a year!

My advice is to avoid the cheapest, and the premium valves and stay with the mid priced lot.

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2010, 10:56:53 AM »
I got 6 months out of a brand new quad of =C= 6L6's in my Twin, bought from Watford Valves. I paid extra for the =C= brand and advice from WV. I replaced them with TAD small bottle 6L6s which is what my tech had in stock. First point is they are cheaper in ££$$ than =C=, second they sound the same and thirdly they have been in and gigged hard for over a year!

My advice is to avoid the cheapest, and the premium valves and stay with the mid priced lot.

I've used some of those small bottle TAD 6L6s in a Bluesbreaker - sounded very nice.  Can't say how they faired for reliability, but its been over three years since I fitted those valves for the owner and he ain't been back (he's a mate of a mate, so if anything had been wrong, I'd have got the amp back).


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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2010, 12:02:37 PM »
I'm still lost as to what to buy :lol: Are there any other GH50L users here any more and if so what are you using?

JJs are really cheap at £8.95 a valve. So they're most tempting, seeing as I'm eating up my overdraft already :(

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2010, 12:15:57 PM »
Try 'em Tom - what's the worst that can happen?

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2010, 12:18:18 PM »
I lose money :lol: I need em to be working/sounding good for a gig next weekend as well so would prefer to get it right first time!

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2010, 01:03:02 PM »
Martin and I gig JJs all the time mate - you'll be fine!

Ignore grumpy old HTH  ;)  :lol:

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2010, 01:58:30 PM »
EI valves were made in Serbia, as far as I'm aware off the old Phillips tooling.

There were a load of EI 12AX7s floating round a few years ago at a very reasonable price, and so I bought a batch. Most were very microphonic (to the point of being unusable), although the acceptable ones did sound good. It's interesting that these are now being offered as NOS at a premium price!

I used to use EH-12AX7s which I thought sounded great, and probably only had a couple of rejects out of 300 valves. However these were all from an older production run. Talking to one of our suppliers apparently there have been problems with all the Russian spiral filament pre-amp valves, which include the EH and Tungsol 12AX7s (I expect they all use a common filament assembly), especially in amps with cathode followers where the cathode is often at greater than 100V, and I expect these problems are due to break down in insulation between the cathode and filament.

I tried some "specially selected" current production Chinese 12AX7s as wasn't that impressed (they weren't that cheap either), so I have now moved over to using the JJ-ECC803s, which is a long plate 12AX7. This is slightly more microphonic than the standard JJ-ECC83, but sounds very good, and I've not had any rejects yet after using installing about 70.

I've not had the best experiences with the standard JJ-ECC83. A couple of years ago I had a spate of amps coming in with JJ-ECC83s installed in them that had either failed or become very noisy. Of course these might have all come from a single bad batch.

Given the ubiquitous nature of the 12AX7 in guitar amps, it still surprises me that no-one can make a consistent 12AX7.

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2010, 02:59:20 PM »
Martin and I gig JJs all the time mate - you'll be fine!

Ignore grumpy old HTH  ;)  :lol:

lmao, I'm coming up 35 in May and am loosing any kind of patience already - my tolerance levels are hitting an all time low.  Ten years ago I'd have sugar coated some of my opinions, now I just can't be arsed and say exactly what I mean.

I still say JJs are pretty ordinary, ymmv etc...

If you can get this Mazda ECC83 for a tenner, you'll be doing very well... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mazda-ecc83-12ax7-vintage-valve_W0QQitemZ270550106001QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Consumer_VintageAudio_RL?hash=item3efe0aff91#ht_500wt_1182

Or this pair of RCA 12AX7s for just over £16.00 each... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pair-RCA-6681-12AX7A-ECC83-Audio-Amplifier-Guitar-tubes_W0QQitemZ220578282295QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item335b7d7b37#ht_500wt_1182










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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2010, 05:49:40 PM »
I still say JJs are pretty ordinary, ymmv etc...

Probably suits the Laney just fine then, as I find it has a pretty ordinary tone anyway! Nothing really special, just consistently sounds good for the kinda stuff I play - it doesn't "wow" it just does its job and does it well :) So long as it doesn't sound "bad" I'm fine :lol:

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2010, 07:21:22 PM »
I'm still lost as to what to buy :lol: Are there any other GH50L users here any more and if so what are you using?

JJs are really cheap at £8.95 a valve. So they're most tempting, seeing as I'm eating up my overdraft already :(

well, i got a LH50R and am getting a set of JJ's for the preamp and =C= 6L6 for the power stage.

if i were in your shoes and had a GH .. i'd flick the bias switch to the EL-34 setting and get a pair of KT-88's :D .. and JJ's in the preamp :P

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2010, 01:33:05 PM »
Don't know if this is any good:

http://www.watfordvalves.com/cgi-bin/documents/testreport_2.pdf

I'm just going to read it now as I'm thinking of replacing the 12AX7 in my Blackheart Little Giant.

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2010, 02:39:32 PM »

... and =C= 6L6 for the power stage.
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I may have had a bad Quad, but i'd steer away from them, save yourself some money at the same time. JJ or TAD, especially if you gig regular and don't take spares with you.

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Re: Need new preamp valves
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2010, 05:17:45 PM »
I reckon I'd (and will) be going for the Harma Retros from WV.