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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2010, 08:39:22 PM »
Looks like you and I have had a similar experience. I was also prescribed anti-depressants and (after they 'failed' to help) sent to a Counsellor, who I though was clueless. After a while and a long wait, I got to see a Phycologist who was much better. He did have a bit of a 'fetish' for CBT, which I still don't think 'works' (YMMV) and I did get lots of questions about my family and childhood experiences.

He did recommend my a book, which I though helped a bit. Got me to focus on things that are important and change some of my 'bad' attitude ...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Compassionate-Mind-Paul-Gilbert/dp/1849010986/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273865765&sr=1-1

(it's not the same Paul Gilbert  :lol: )
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2010, 09:08:39 PM »
sounds entirely the same.
only rather than a physcologist, im now seeing sleep specialists.
I have a problem staying awake, but it might be because i never sleep correctly.
I dunno. when all else fails right?

I agree. I don't think CBT works. I used to get totally drained of energy spend all day trying to put myself in a good mood before i knew what CBT was. And if anger was an issue i always had self control. I didn't need to process thoughts or recognise bad ideas.

The first i went to someone about this stuff, i was prescribed books, and told to check out some mood website and do an online depression quiz. After my 'treatment' I was asked if i wanted to go to a pottery class for the depressed... which to me sounds like and EVEN MORE morbid and atrocious version of the film Ghost. Hanging out with depressed potters? jesus... surely i wasn't THAT depressed!


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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2010, 10:32:27 PM »
Looks like you and I have had a similar experience. I was also prescribed anti-depressants and (after they 'failed' to help) sent to a Counsellor, who I though was clueless. After a while and a long wait, I got to see a Phycologist who was much better. He did have a bit of a 'fetish' for CBT, which I still don't think 'works' (YMMV) and I did get lots of questions about my family and childhood experiences.

He did recommend my a book, which I though helped a bit. Got me to focus on things that are important and change some of my 'bad' attitude ...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Compassionate-Mind-Paul-Gilbert/dp/1849010986/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273865765&sr=1-1

(it's not the same Paul Gilbert  :lol: )


This sounds incredibly similar to my experiences with National Health Service re: mental health.

In my case, the cognitive psychotherapist helped because my 'depression' was actually some formed of learned helplessness, originally caused through being laid up ill during term time and never being able to catch up with my course. Once I accepted this, I was able to apply myself to the task of passing finals, and I've ended up being very successful after all.

Prozac is AWFUL if you don't have depression. Counselling is AWFUL whether you have depression or not (good God, if I wanted to be patronised like that, I'd watch the Jackanory twins who present Breakfast on a Friday morning).


BUT

Happy Birthday. Break yourself out of the mental rut you've carved for yourself. No-one else will do this for you, though some may wish, and/or be able to help.

I've listened to a fair bit of your music, and I'm very impressed. If you ever fancy a shift of scenery towards Oxfordshire, give me a bell, I reckon we could make lovely music together :D

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 11:23:15 PM »
I apologise for the earlier flippant comment.

Reading this thread, a lot of you guys have been through stuff I can only imagine, and I guess I should be counting my blessings  :| .   Hope you manage to get through this OK, Dmoney.


(I still feel like I'm a total $%&#up though.  Maybe we all are.  :? )


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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2010, 12:22:08 AM »
Back from the pub, I have now reached that level of great wisdom that comes only when you have consumed a good number of beers and all I'd say is, it doesn't matter what happens. What matters is your reaction to what happens. I will re read this in the morning and think "what a load of cr*p" but right now it seems a very clear.
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2010, 07:35:40 AM »
Hmmm morning after: Could  have said it a little more poetically but it stands I think. Beer=the oracle of wisdom.
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2010, 10:31:53 AM »

Happy Birthday and I hope you get things sorted.  Sounds like there is no simple fix and saying 'pull your socks up' certainly won't help.  I've had few ruts in my life but nothing too serious but the things I've learned that might help are:-

Regular Excercise  (you can become more boyant and wamer later on :D).  Yoga is very good for a clear mind
Don't smoke weed.  You may not but if your susptable to depression it's a one way ticket to a mental mess IMO
Speak to more specialists.  The answer to your problems is not always with one person.
Eat well
Don't sleep in your clothes unless you're a Hells Angel. :D

I found that now having a family, full time job, house and all that stuff kind of prevents me from doing all the things I want to do but I seem to get more done and am more into things than I was when I was 27.  I went to Australia when I was about that age and had all the time in the world to really get some songs written and better on the guitar but I just seemed to get melancholy and drink every day.  Now my life has more of a frame work I make the little bits of Time I do get really count and just do enough to keep my creative side satisfied.  (only just!)
Seems when the push of wanting to get something achieved creatively is pushed back by something else it stops things going too far in that direction, stops things getting on a manic cycle.


Like Juansolo said, just accepting things and letting dreams go can be a good step too.  You can just enjoy the smaller things then and not worry about the bigger picture. 

Probably easier to do with a Westfield and Porsche though!
 



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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2010, 10:36:38 AM »
Hmmm morning after: Could  have said it a little more poetically but it stands I think. Beer=the oracle of wisdom.

Poetic indeed ! Darn close to that line from Hamlet ( the Play, not the pack of tiny cigars behind the bar at the pub ) :

" - for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so".

Which reminds me to say that I generally agree with you - and of course a broad expansion of the basic idea presented above  is at the core of Cognitive therapies ; which  ( in my experience ) are a somewhat incomplete set of remedial toolls, but can sometimes have their place.

I was put through some intensive / one on one Cognitive Behavioural therapies back in the early - mid 1970's , when the initial writings of Drs Ellis and Harper were the approved 'Manual'.  Although the administration of same proved in certain ways useful, it merely put a sticking plaster on a far more serious set of underlying problems. A handy tool to have in the box, but not the complete toolbox / solution that many would have us believe.

In later years, I sometimes find the vestiges of that 'training' useful ,  ( although those principles ultimately do not of course really aleiviate the underlying biological / pathological problem ) in that the basic principles of C.B.T assist in helping me 'strap the seat belt on'  for a rough ride - and / or in part give me benchmarks of perception that sometimes help reveal where my phases of Bi-Polar are sitting or heading.

It is interesting ( and probably supportive to the use of C.B.T. in certain cases ) - that what I perceive as a 'decent spell' is often the same 'stuff' being seen differently by me.  

So yes, the 'Beer Oracle' speaketh wisely  !  :lol:

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Oh, and what Tom said about regular exercise works well on many levels for me : in that there are the basic mood enhancement / health benefits - AND when morale and creative flow are at a very low ebb, it provides an equal and opposite distratction. I enjoy weightlifting and such, not because I think it makes my willy bigger, but because it's so pure, focused and direct. You can / do enjoy the  intellectual research and skill learning facets, but in the end, it's just lift / bicycle / run or whatever. The perfect partner(s) to a creative hobby.  :D
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2010, 01:04:37 PM »
Seems some folk are not fans of CBT but all I can say is it worked pretty well for me.

In addition to exercise I'd say diet makes a difference too, mostly by regulating blood sugar levels, aka the types of carb you eat, especially sugar. Could be a placebo but I think it smooths out mood levels. Improving blood sugar levels is basically a case of reducing/removing added sugar and switching from simple carbs like white bread, white pasta, etc to complex ones like wholemeal bread and whole wheat pasta, etc.

Improving blood sugar levels also reduces fat storage, lowers the risk of diabetes and cardiovascular disease :D

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2010, 01:33:24 PM »
^ I reckon that a Roobubba/Dmoney band might be a thing of beauty!

Go for it!!!

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2010, 01:44:54 PM »
Seems some folk are not fans of CBT but all I can say is it worked pretty well for me.

In addition to exercise I'd say diet makes a difference too, mostly by regulating blood sugar levels, aka the types of carb you eat, especially sugar. Could be a placebo but I think it smooths out mood levels. Improving blood sugar levels is basically a case of reducing/removing added sugar and switching from simple carbs like white bread, white pasta, etc to complex ones like wholemeal bread and whole wheat pasta, etc.

Improving blood sugar levels also reduces fat storage, lowers the risk of diabetes and cardiovascular disease :D


Yes; in fairness - C.B.T worked relatively well for me back in the 70s, but was ( understandibly ) not equal to dealing with a major league Psychiatric illness as and when  it eventually revealed itself to be such / became more florid.

On the diet front, I also agree - and add E.F.As to the mix, which genuinely seem to help in providing a better basis for the brain's own fatty tissue / composition , conduct in a more efficient and level manner.  I cannot say that I have emperically proven that for myself, but it is an area meriting great research just now - and that it would seem to make sense that an organ made of predominantly fatty tissue, would be better able to replenish it's constituent cells better on a diet which is richer in E.F.As - rather than saturated fatty acids.

Meanwhile, I look forward to hearing of the first "Bubbamoney" Gig / collaboration .  :)
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2010, 03:24:57 PM »
To be honest, I am nearing 20 and feel old. Was struggling a couple of months ago, a lot of family had died or become distant, Father had a stroke, Brother + his family being a little down on their health, stopped caring for the girlfriend etc.
I have sleep troubles too, but not that bad at the moment. Sold my car, put family and work first  (since I work for family they kinda go together), throw a bit of time at charity, spend my spare time at the pub or just going out - essentially stopped really caring about myself and thinking about myself. It does sound stupid, but I am sleeping better, and am appreciating life more.
I even managed to lose more weight despite eating lots more sh!t food :?

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2010, 04:27:09 PM »
Happy birthday mate!
It does look like your not alone.
I'm 45 this year, I'm still trying unsuccessfully to get a band together. 6 of my mates are dead and 3 emigrated. I never got on with my Dad when I was your age but I do now. I wanted to be a photographer and had lots of photos published over the years and made a few quid from it. I drive skip lorrys, tippers and roll ons now. Last year one if those things nearly killed me. Do you know what? Right now I've never been happier. It's the woman I'm with and the things I do.
Good luck with this. I've been really depressed before and there is always a way out. If your not happy with the current PM, don't worry about it. Just look after No1 for a bit. Like someone said about spliffs. Give them up if you do that. I smoked that shite for years and it just $%&#s you up. I gave up tobacco too. Taking up exercise will give you the quickest way out of the this cycle. Good luck, worse things happen at sea.
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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2010, 05:37:41 PM »
Sorry to hear you feel like that, I hope things take a turn for the better.

Happy birthday too. And you're not past it until you're at least 29.

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Re: I'm 27 today
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2010, 10:51:20 PM »
And I really feel past it.
Like I've lost all the chances to do the things I want musically, careerwise, in life.
I've lost all interest in everything. I don't really listen to music any more, or play guitar that much, or go to see bands.

This sounds too much like... me.  I turned 27 a couple of months ago.  I feel old as well.  Part of me is still clinging defiantly to childhood, when all the people I knew in school, are married and/or have kids.  Then things feel really bleak when my thoughts turn to the fact that I'm 27 and still live with my mum and stepfather.
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