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BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« on: July 05, 2010, 11:37:11 AM »
Hello fellow guitarists! I own a Fender Road Worn Telecaster which has 2 single coils in it. Latley I've started playing more and more "Djent" type of music and I am in need of new pickups. Now to my questions, is it possible to replace my weak single coils for lets say, a BKP Cold Sweat Humbucker in the bridge? How do I make it fit? :) Which size and such do I need to order? What do I need to know?

I've been playing guitar for many years but haven't really learned anything about its mechanics and such, I know nothing about replacing pickups and such. The reason why I want to play this type of music on a Telecaster is becuase I love, absolotley love the feel of it.

Many thanks in advance!

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2010, 11:42:16 AM »
painkillers have massive attack, and are ideal for djent
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2010, 11:47:53 AM »
painkillers have massive attack, and are ideal for djent

Yeah I've heard they're great! But I need to know how to put in those large buckers in my Telecaster, I have no idea how, or if they will fit. I am ready to place an order but I need to get as much information as I can get so I don't sit here with a pair of humbuckers that I can't put in my guitar :)

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2010, 01:02:04 PM »
Aahh...

Yes, possible, but I think it will be quite a big job:

  • The body will need to be cut to fit humbuckers
  • The scratchplate will need cutting/replacing to fit a neck humbucker
  • The bridge plate will need replacing with one that fits a bridge humbucker
  • You'll probably want to replace the volume and tone control potentiometers and the tone capacitor to suite humbuckers

Sounds to me like you might need a trusted luthier/guitar-tech to do it for you.

I have to admit, my first thought was "DON'T DO THAT to a Roadworn!!!! ... give it to me, I'll give you a geetar to hack and buy you the painkillers..." :lol:

But then I realised you love the feel of this particular tele. I have two of the strats - I know exactly what you mean - so I won't say "don't" or "can't" about it at all...

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010, 02:17:58 PM »
Strat - NB-IT-MQ

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2010, 04:22:24 PM »

I have no idea how, or if they will fit.

Frankly, that's a terrible thing to try and do to your guitar - and any commendable luthier would flat-out decline the work. Depending on how seriously you want humbuckers, i would recommend buying a different road-worn telecaster, one already fitted for humbuckers.

The factory humbuckers (in the 72' deluxe tele) are a different size and won't immediately accommodate standard humbuckers, but that option is only a custom pickguard away (plenty of custom manufacturers produce them for under $50, it's just a google search away).  I know this because i've done it.

Also, if you are decide to buy new and like the Cold Sweats, look into a rosewood fretboard instead of maple.  I'm sure alot of more senior forum members would agree that a bright, maple neck with a bright pickup like the CS would make for quite a shrill tone overall.  Anyways, just some suggestions...good luck.

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 05:00:01 PM »
I've installed a humbucker in the bridge of my tele. I bought a Gotoh bridge with a humbucker hole and attacked my mexican tele with a hand drill. Not elegant, neat or easy to do, but it worked (albeit looks like it was done with a rusty spoon). Get a proper person to do it if you don't want to bodge, or get a Piledriver, that's plenty Djent.
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2010, 05:13:21 PM »
^ ^ - i rest my case

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 05:24:09 PM »
rape caught on video -

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhOyMbfOnE

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2010, 05:42:38 PM »
^ wouldn't want to be overly melodramatic now would we  :? - Seems pretty sweet to me - It's not vintage!
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2010, 06:01:35 PM »
Hey, anyone has full prerogative to butcher something they're in ownership of - it's just an opinion, and a suggested course of logic.  You don't buy a honda just to put a V8 in it; but is it possible... sure.

If you find a guy to do this clean of work, maybe try it (i saw that he didn't drill holes on the pickguard, so height adjustment for the pickup means taking off the guard).  I know from living in Nashville and being friends with plenty of well-renown luthiers, if they did touch a job like this, they'd say something like "i'll do it, but will not claim acknowledgement for the work" - this meaning "don't tell anyone i did this hack-and-slash job", haha. 

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2010, 07:23:25 PM »
:lol: funny how this thread's gone...

badger, you rapist :lol: :wink: ... I thought of you when I first answered. I also thought of me... I put a humbucker in the neck of a squier tele years ago... with a chisel... it worked, but it wasn't pretty underneath the scratchplate :lol:

I've also watched the vid gepetto's linked - a bit scary how the bloke did his routing, especially the scratchplate, but a lot more organised than I did it. Seems to have come out alright, sounds fantastic as well (I think we have several folks on here with a Piledriver/MQ combo in a tele actually). And actually, by the way, height adjustment for a standard tele neck pickup means taking the guard off - the bloke would've known that, he owns the thing, so I suspect he wanted to retain the clean lines and kept the screws under the plate.

After trying the humbucker in the neck myself, must be at least 15 years ago, it's really not something I want to do personally, I like my teles to do the "trad" thing.

BUT...

ManInTheBox:

What you want to do is NOT a bad idea :D - you've got a good player that you want to make even better, to make the sounds you want. Make sure it IS what you want, because taking the wood out will change its tone slightly and is not easily reversed. I wouldn't have thought the change in tone would be huge though - especially when compared to the change you'll get by putting humbuckers in.

But, can you do it yourself? Watch that vid - it's not actually that difficult, it's not rocket science. But it sounds to me like you might be better getting a luthier to do it at the moment (or maybe you've got woodworking skills but not a lot of knowledge about what's under the bonnet of a guitar - if so, you can do it, there's enough knowledge/experience on this and other forums to help you through the ordering parts and wiring...)

Anyway, loads of luthiers would be happy to do the work - I have to disagree with gepetto there, he must be experiencing guys that I wouldn't want to deal with so much... (if their heart's not in the job you specify, then they will do poor work).

Not sure where you're based ManInTheBox, but I know at least two luthiers in the UK, one of whom has done work for me, who I am surewould be happy to do the job for you if that's what you wanted. They'd put the same care and attention into it as they would the rest of their work, and they'd be very happy for you to tell people that they did the job.

So, possible? YES.
Good idea? Quite possibly, yes.
Would I do it? No, not me, but that's cos I don't want humbuckers in my teles - not because I think guitars are sacred (I've just happily stripped the finish off a 2 year old Gibson because it was pants - one could have argued that I should have sold it and got a Faded if I could find one. But I liked this particular Gibson, it's just the finish that was pants. As it happens, it turned out quite well, but it was quite a risk!)
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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2010, 08:27:45 PM »
Wow, this forum is great! So much help already :). Thank you all for the answers.

The whole idea I had was to replace the single coils with buckers to save some money instead of buying a whole new guitar. I've never really liked the feel of ESPs, Ibanez and such, and I've played a few. Plus it would be kinda cool to convert the Telecaster to a Monstercaster. People would think "Oh he's gonna play some smoothe blues" when they see my guitar, but no I'd blow em away with my A tuned Monstercaster plugged into a Mesa.

From what I've read here it seems to be a huge problem to fit the buckers so I might get a Pilvedriver in the bridge and then buy a new better suited guitar and get the buckers in that one instead.

Anyone know of any other Tele's that might do the job? I once saw this beautiful 7-stringed ESP Telecaster, but it was custom made and would cost a fortune :/.

Thanks again for the warm welcome and great answers!

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2010, 08:41:51 PM »
Man... there is no shortage of Tele's with humbuckers, just check Fender's homepage.  I know they do a Custom Roadworn Telecaster Deluxe with the 2 humbuckers, or you could just go with the HH series.  This is the one i play on -

http://www.fender.com/uk/products/search.php?partno=0262600521

Splated maple top, mahogany body and neck, coil tap, neck-through with a 15.75" radius (neck feels like a jackson)...

...And some cr@ppy Seymour Duncan pickups you can happily change out for Bare Knuckles.  There's plenty of variations on this HH model, and along with the 72' Deluxe series you should have no trouble picking out a humbucker tele that suits your taste and style.

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Re: BKP Humbuckers in my Telecaster? Possible?
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2010, 09:27:25 PM »
rape caught on video -

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhOyMbfOnE

tears.

I think he did a pretty good job - very impressive freehand routing skills! 

Me, I wouldn't hesitate to rout a Highway 1, but I wouldn't do it like that.... and I would NEVER sit with a powered-up router clutched between my thighs six inches from my bollocks.  I may not need 'em much, but I'd rather keep 'em....  :x
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