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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2011, 03:02:45 PM »
You quoting The Mail again, Dave..?
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2011, 03:07:10 PM »
Who wrote that then, Afghan?

I agree with the sentiments, in a way, if not the language ("socialist dreams"  :roll: ), but it does sound a bit Peter Hitchens....
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2011, 03:08:22 PM »
This was not protest, it was crime and it was done with such impunity, it begs the question, "who raised these people to behave this way?" The answer is, the state raised them. More specifically, the "Welfare State" of socialist dreams.

Top flight objective soundbite, that... :lol:

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It houses them - badly. It educates them - badly.

I think that's rather condemnatory of our good school system, not amazing, but good. I'd agree with it as relfects social housing, though it seems odd sentiment from a blurb which is distinctly rightist in nature. Are they asking for MORE spending on public housing? We've never recovered from the last right-wing approach to social housing, the right-to-buy/prevention of building idiocy.

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It doesn't even bother to police their drug taking and dealing very much

What? We spend an absolutely absurd amount of money policing drug use and sale. Masses. Far, far, far too much and tie up far too much police time on it.

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There are thousands of decent people in Tottenham who work hard, try to do the best for their kids and who are no doubt appalled by what happenned. But like the 27 children who want to learn, but who can't because of the disruptive behaviour of three trouble-makers at the back of the class, the criminals who rioted and looted on Saturday cowed them in to submission.

Can't argue with that.

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If you want people to behave irresponsibly, take responsibility away from them. The Welfare State has been taking responsibility away from people for decades and it has led us here, to the rioting and looting we saw in Tottenham and elsewhere over the weekend."

Well lets look around the world at the social problems mentioned above that nations suffer and see how they relate to who's got the larger welfare states and who's got the smaller ones. I'll wager the evidence will not support this assertion.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2011, 03:08:37 PM »


Nail 'em up I say!
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #79 on: August 09, 2011, 03:14:16 PM »
Now I'm REALLY scared!  Boris is walking the streets of London!!!
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2011, 03:42:42 PM »
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2011, 03:44:32 PM »
See this video: http://www.telegraaf.nl/s/10339841

Scum!

It's not an attitude of "If I want it, I might as well take it, I'm never going to be able to earn it", it's an attitude of "If I want it, I might as well take it, because I can and there are no consequenses". And " Why would I work 8 hours a day while I can make the same money with  two hours of husslin'? "

Is anyone disputing that they're scum? When we're all in agreement (as is pretty much the entire nation, including the rioters themselves) it's far more useful to actually think about why this situation has arisen than reactionary moaning. If it's just that they're all scum who can't be arsed to work why isn't this behaviour constant and always on this scale? There are things needing done to prevent the attitudes arising that lead to this. Calling them names, howling about getting the army out and demanding watercannons and rubber bullets be used and other such nonsense that's being mentioned left right and centre will have zero effect. Increased prison sentences for shoplifting and vandalism will have no effect. Harsher prisons will have zero effect. All the usual rightist ideas will have zero effect, this demonstrable. Grass roots work is what's needed.

I agree, but grass roots work is not really going to stop London burning tonight and it spreading to more cities.
Obviously the authorities are worried about the message water cannons and rubber bullets sends out but they need to do something or innocent people will die in their homes.  

I think the goverment will have to have a long hard look at the root cause but at the minute they need to stop the violence by whatever means works.

 


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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2011, 04:16:09 PM »
Which brings me back to my earlier point.

Shoot them all.

Shoot them dead.

Shoot them now!

I agree entirely.

If they're dead they cant do it again.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2011, 04:42:12 PM »
Oh, and I'm not buying that 'economically disadvantaged' bull either.

Have a good look at what those thugs are wearing, especially the footwear.

I can only empathise with the people who's house was set on fire, or car, people who's shops were looted and destroyed.
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2011, 04:43:36 PM »


Have a good look at what those thugs are wearing, especially the footwear.




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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2011, 04:45:46 PM »
Just got home after hearing that the street I live on is a target tonight. A few coppers milling about and all the shops are shuttered. There were 3 riot vans outside my front door from Manchester but they've all just moved off somewhere else. Wish us luck and stay safe everyone in the troubled areas.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2011, 04:53:34 PM »
I can only empathise with the people who's house was set on fire, or car, people who's shops were looted and destroyed.

Who's empathising?

Seeing that there is a wider social context is not condoning nor apologising for anyone's actions. That thinking has been to blame for the embarrassing news coverage we've been getting hammered with for three days.
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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2011, 05:23:54 PM »
Don't think anyone's picked up on this yet in this thread.  The Sony hub that was burnt down held the inventory for 150 independant record labels.

http://pitchfork.com/news/43474-sonypias-warehouse-burns-in-uk-riots/


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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2011, 05:25:45 PM »
As it is basically a culture problem, how do you think it in the long term?

The wealth gap has expanded essentially due to low skills industries moving overseas while the economy focuses on the more profitable yet higher skilled areas of inventing and marketing products. There by saturating the labour market with low skill workers without the demand to cater for them, therefore reducing parents ability to act as positive role models for children and removing their sense of self identity.

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Re: weird news coverage of london tonight
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2011, 05:35:56 PM »
Everybody's jumpy this evening, rushing to get home, rumours of stations closing and people being sent home at lunchtime.... the troublemakers must be loving it, everyone's dancing to their tune.

I hate this situation.  Never experienced anything like it before, it's frightening even though I haven't even seen anything first-hand apart from a few broken windows.
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