"Grunge Killed Metal." Why? Interesting article ..

[rahnooo]

Grunge  :arrow: cr@ppy guitar players with bad dressing style :lol:

Billy Corgan, Jerry Cantrell, Kim Thayil, Mike McCready bad guitarists? Really?

Even Kurt Cobain was inventive in his own way.  

Yes there were a lot of grunge bands who couldn't pay for toffee, but again, thats something many genre's have. I'm not standing up for grunge, it all got a little boring. But I don't think you can write off some pretty decent bands due to the connotations of a bad label. *shrugs*

*Rahnooo*

[sambo]

i think there are 3 categories of rock music and 3 ONLY! they are:

punk
classic
metal

EVERYTHING stems from those 3 and all this sub-category nonsense is a load of &*$%^&£$% its bad enough that every single artist/band is just broadly stereotyped but to give them such a specific genre is ridiculous.
stuff like grunge i mean... come on... there are no unique characteristics of so called 'grunge' music that are of any real significance that could warrant its own genre.... its plain stupid....

why do all you adults who are supposed to be the clever wise ones, not see that no music can be placed completely in one genre/category and even then the categories have to be very broad....

teenagers (such as me) should run the music business, it would be so much better  :P

anyway ignore that last point im being serious....

[Hell Hound]

rahnooo> it was a joke :roll:

[rahnooo]

rahnooo> it was a joke :roll:

D'oh my bad. I've spent all day staring at a computer screen preping for my next set of professional exams tomorrow, think I must have left the sense of humour at the door  :oops:

You forgot to mention the lank greasy grunge hair and checked lumberjack shirt though  

[sambo]

i said significant characteristics rahnoo  :P  :D

cool name by the way... *rahhnooo*

ANYWAY i need to stop digressing- back to the matter in hand you stupid adult stereotypers!

[Hell Hound]

My... I used to wear those lumberjack shirt when i was young :oops:
Retrospectivly that was pretty horrible :lol:

[rahnooo]

My... I used to wear those lumberjack shirt when i was young :oops:
Retrospectivly that was pretty horrible :lol:

Hehehe i still do. But mainly when I'm playing lap steel and pretending to be a redneck  

[Muttley]

The only good thing that came out of the grunge thing was Alice In Chains. I don't even really think that they're grunge anyway, just hard rock. But they get lumped into that catergory anyway.

SO TRUE :!:

I read an interview with Jerry Cantrell once, and he was fed up of the whole Grunge label.  I think it was something like "We're not Grunge, we're a metal band"  ;)

Labels are so annoying though, I hate the way people try and stick musicians in little boxes so they can file them on the shelf easier.

I base my listening habits on the following two musical categories: Stuff I Like, and Stuff I Don't Like.  ;)

Muttley

[indysmith]

The only good thing that came out of the grunge thing was Alice In Chains. I don't even really think that they're grunge anyway, just hard rock. But they get lumped into that catergory anyway.

SO TRUE :!:

I read an interview with Jerry Cantrell once, and he was fed up of the whole Grunge label.  I think it was something like "We're not Grunge, we're a metal band"  ;)

Labels are so annoying though, I hate the way people try and stick musicians in little boxes so they can file them on the shelf easier.

I base my listening habits on the following two musical categories: Stuff I Like, and Stuff I Don't Like.  ;)

Muttley

Haha that seems lie a sensible approach to follow, but i think genre distinctions have to exist sometimes; maybe not for you but for other people definately. e.g. If you are reccomending a metal band to ur grandma, you should probably tell her that its a metal band, to find out if she is in to metal of not? ...I dont really know what i'm saying but i think genres are necessary :lol:

[schmendict]

Theres 45 pages to it!?
Like i can be arsed to read that...
There will always be conflict between people who like different styles of music, and there will always be people saying bands "sold out", and there will ALWAYS be people saying one style of music killed another. As other members have said, its just that most fans get bored with the music and switch on to others, only the hardcore fans of the particular "murdered" genre of music will go on to say stuff like "so and so killed whatever". Its a fact of life. People like controversy, and some people refuse to give up their music when others switch, maybe its their own last stand or possibly a sign of their attempt to show individuality.
Who knooooows?

[carlaz]

I don't think one genre (or sub-genre marketing niche, as the case may be) kills another genre.  It's just that musicians run out of ideas or otherwise lose their edge and/or audiences get bored and want to listen to something else. Continual cycle.

IMO, any working musician who says they don't care about making money is either a) excusing their failure to make money ;), or b) already really rich! ;)

[sambo]

yer genres are necessary but not all these ridiculous sub-categories....

for example like indy said... if you were recommending a band to someone you would need a genre but you wouldnt have to say "yer they're a grunge band" or "they're a hair metal band"... after all that doesnt really say ANYthing about the music itself just the image that is associated with the music they play....

it would be much better to just describe the MUSIC- for example say you were recommending Pantera you would say "they're a really heavy metal band" there you go- simple and accurate without the use of a stupid sub-category...

another bad thing about sub-categories like 'grunge' is that they make music less original/varied... you see instead of just having variety in a few main genres like classic rock, punk and metal, with all bands stemming off that... you have all the tiny sub categories made up of bands that share a really slight difference in music or image.... this means that any music someone creates is gonna be put in a fixed sub-category and very similar to all the bands that surround it, making it seem samey... and every time something new arrives instead of just describing it as say heavy metal with lots of harmony and melody for example, a new sub-category will be invented

its really hard to explain but basically just the use of the term 'grunge' pisses me off...

by the way muttley that was so right when you said you just divide music into two categories- stuff you like and stuff you dont like.. i think i said that somewhere in another post  :?  anyway yer i agreewith you completely!!!

[Hell Hound]

IMO, any working musician who says they don't care about making money is either a) excusing their failure to make money ;), or b) already really rich! ;)

I CAN'T agree with that, music is about fun. I personnaly don't give a flying f**k about what people think of my music, being sincere and yourself and have fun doing it is the only thing important. If people like it and buy it that's a bonus, if they don't, f**k them :)

[sambo]

i think thats the one view that musicians will always be divided on... personally i agree with carlaz but i think we'll all have to agree to disagree on this one..

[Hell Hound]

Well it's my underground metal fanself speaking :lol: But I can understand people think the other way around. I know a session drummer who mostly do cr@p to pay the bill and have his own crazy band on the side.
Halas it's the way it is. A good way would be to be a guitar teacher in a school, I know some who do that so they don't have feel bad doin cr@p :lol: