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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2012, 01:12:12 PM »
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2012, 01:12:46 PM »
:lol:

same here. sometimes i just get sick of it and eat stuff i know disagrees with me. It doesn't help that the healthy food i like normally disagrees with me. but healthy food i don't like is normally fine. it's like it's taking the piss. :lol:

All the stuff thats bad for you/disagrees with you tastes better!

Such as cheesecake....

I think you may be right!  Before I got diabetic and was eating my terrible high carb/sugar/trans fat diet, I used to suffer from irritable bowel syndrome.

Now I'm eating healthy, the IBS is pretty much completely gone.

But..... I wish I could still eat that stuff!  :lol:

i agree that sweet stuff etc. is bad for you, but is high carb really bad? i always put it down to fad diets (i.e. BS).

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2012, 01:22:31 PM »
its clearly a mistake. the minimum levels aren't that high now, and will really only affect the cheapest booze.. but once in place, it will be easy to keep increasing the prices.

i bought some cheapo table wine for cooking the other day which would have been affected the the measures. clearly cheap booze has its uses apart from binge drinking.
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2012, 01:46:22 PM »
:lol:

same here. sometimes i just get sick of it and eat stuff i know disagrees with me. It doesn't help that the healthy food i like normally disagrees with me. but healthy food i don't like is normally fine. it's like it's taking the piss. :lol:

All the stuff thats bad for you/disagrees with you tastes better!

Such as cheesecake....

I think you may be right!  Before I got diabetic and was eating my terrible high carb/sugar/trans fat diet, I used to suffer from irritable bowel syndrome.

Now I'm eating healthy, the IBS is pretty much completely gone.

But..... I wish I could still eat that stuff!  :lol:

i agree that sweet stuff etc. is bad for you, but is high carb really bad? i always put it down to fad diets (i.e. BS).

Simple carbs, starchy foods and sugars are pretty bad actually.  This is a very interesting talk at University of California called "Sugar: The Bitter Truth": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM&ob=av3e


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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2012, 01:48:43 PM »
On the other hand, I can't help but wonder if my sister might be still alive if she couldn't have afforded to buy as much booze.  :(

sorry to hear about your sister :(

Thanks mate.

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2012, 02:05:49 PM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


Me.  :)
I don't think it goes far enough.
I think we should also reduce the number of places it is for sale and possibly go down the same route as Finland where they have a much tighter grip of who can sell the stuff.
In addition we shouldn't sell beer in pints and wine glasses should be smaller.



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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2012, 02:45:44 PM »
i agree that sweet stuff etc. is bad for you, but is high carb really bad? i always put it down to fad diets (i.e. BS).

I'm getting into that dangerous territory of "this is what I've read", so usual caveats apply, I'm not a doctor etc.

But as I understand it, when we eat excess carbohydrates which we don't burn off, our bodies ultimately store them as fat.  And it's that particularly bad type of fat which builds up around our internal organs and is linked with things like (you guessed it....) type 2 diabetes.

When the government, health lobbies etc go on about junk food, the emphasis tends to be on the dangers of the FAT content (they were even talking about taxing high fat foods, which almost brings us back on topic to this booze pricing discussion.....  :lol:).  But when you go to McDonald's and they say "do you want to go large?", which bits of the meal are going large?  The fries.  The drinks (i.e. the cheaper things they make a bigger profit margin on).  And I suspect its the carbohydrates (whether starches or sugars) in those supersize fries and drinks which are the real cause of the obesity epidemic.  Or at least, they're every bit as much to blame as the fat.  

The idea that fat is bad and carbs are good is nonsense, but they keep pushing it on us.... All those "healthy" breakfast cereals.... full of sugar!  Or those super low-fat yogurts Martine McCutcheon tells us about - if you look at the nutritional information the low-fat versions are almost always higher in sugar than the full fat versions.

Also nutritionally, starchy foods are a cheap source of calories - and therefore energy - but they're generally not particularly rich in vitamins or minerals.  To a large extent, they're "fodder".  To come back to McDonald's, next time you're in there (if indeed you ever do go there), take a good look at that soft white bun your burger comes in.... does that have any nutritional value at all?  Maybe in the sesame seeds on the top!  :P  


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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2012, 02:48:42 PM »
:D
I now have to watch that film

It's good.  I'm not a huge Jim Jarmusch fan, but I really like Night On Earth.  :)
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2012, 06:21:33 PM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


Me.  :)
I don't think it goes far enough.
I think we should also reduce the number of places it is for sale and possibly go down the same route as Finland where they have a much tighter grip of who can sell the stuff.
In addition we shouldn't sell beer in pints and wine glasses should be smaller.



Simply answer this for me...

WHY?
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2012, 06:30:26 PM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


Me.  :)
I don't think it goes far enough.
I think we should also reduce the number of places it is for sale and possibly go down the same route as Finland where they have a much tighter grip of who can sell the stuff.
In addition we shouldn't sell beer in pints and wine glasses should be smaller.



So one place can sell more
Those few places controlled by fewer people...

Really, I dont think reducing market freedom will decrease demand. The supply will be the same, just from not as many people with less competition and variety.

And, seriously? So you drink more drinks, more frequently. You just want  to make the wait for the bar longer dont you? That will make people more frustrated and increase 'alcohol related violence'.

Also, I really hope youre joking.

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2012, 06:36:29 PM »
Yet for all the tax and control in Finland, alcoholism is the country's biggest killer.

Sweden also is crazy when it comes to alcohol - and, once again they have massive tax on it.  I remember going out with a Swedish girl in the early 90s and her town effectively stopped on Friday as everyone went to to Denmark to get smashed.  Then I married a Dane and experienced the Swedish booze cruise invasion from the other end.  (hmm pissed Swedish girls, quite nice :))

Can't say that Lord Snooty has his ideas right here (or anywhere else for that matter).  



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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2012, 07:44:43 PM »
Does anybody actually think this is a good idea, so we can have a proper BKP forum heated debate?  :wink:


Me.  :)
I don't think it goes far enough.
I think we should also reduce the number of places it is for sale and possibly go down the same route as Finland where they have a much tighter grip of who can sell the stuff.
In addition we shouldn't sell beer in pints and wine glasses should be smaller.



So one place can sell more
Those few places controlled by fewer people...

Really, I dont think reducing market freedom will decrease demand. The supply will be the same, just from not as many people with less competition and variety.

And, seriously? So you drink more drinks, more frequently. You just want  to make the wait for the bar longer dont you? That will make people more frustrated and increase 'alcohol related violence'.

Also, I really hope youre joking.
I was having this convsation with the head of marketing for a major drinks company a few months back

State monopoly off licenses take away some of the power from the drinks companies from a marketing and promotions perspective and allow more control from the government, at the moment they have lost control.

It would also help the pubs

Smaller glasses are part of the culture in nations that have less of a drink culture.
I'm not saying serve in half pint glasses, just make them a bit smaller.
Look at Italy's culture and Spain's for that matter, they don't have anything like the same issues.

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2012, 08:04:28 PM »

...allow more control from the government, at the moment they have lost control.


And that's always such a good thing right?  PDT_038

Why do you want them to "control" you?

Can't you control yourself?

You still haven't said what "problem" you're trying to solve, let alone established the efficacy of the mechanisms...
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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2012, 08:28:36 PM »
Simple carbs, starchy foods and sugars are pretty bad actually.  This is a very interesting talk at University of California called "Sugar: The Bitter Truth": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM&ob=av3e

I'm not really talking about sugar, i'm talking about starchy foods. they're a pretty good, efficient (and cheap) way to get good, slow-release energy.

Thanks mate.

:)

I'm getting into that dangerous territory of "this is what I've read", so usual caveats apply, I'm not a doctor etc.

But as I understand it, when we eat excess carbohydrates which we don't burn off, our bodies ultimately store them as fat.  And it's that particularly bad type of fat which builds up around our internal organs and is linked with things like (you guessed it....) type 2 diabetes.

When the government, health lobbies etc go on about junk food, the emphasis tends to be on the dangers of the FAT content (they were even talking about taxing high fat foods, which almost brings us back on topic to this booze pricing discussion.....  :lol:).  But when you go to McDonald's and they say "do you want to go large?", which bits of the meal are going large?  The fries.  The drinks (i.e. the cheaper things they make a bigger profit margin on).  And I suspect its the carbohydrates (whether starches or sugars) in those supersize fries and drinks which are the real cause of the obesity epidemic.  Or at least, they're every bit as much to blame as the fat.  

The idea that fat is bad and carbs are good is nonsense, but they keep pushing it on us.... All those "healthy" breakfast cereals.... full of sugar!  Or those super low-fat yogurts Martine McCutcheon tells us about - if you look at the nutritional information the low-fat versions are almost always higher in sugar than the full fat versions.

Also nutritionally, starchy foods are a cheap source of calories - and therefore energy - but they're generally not particularly rich in vitamins or minerals.  To a large extent, they're "fodder".  To come back to McDonald's, next time you're in there (if indeed you ever do go there), take a good look at that soft white bun your burger comes in.... does that have any nutritional value at all?  Maybe in the sesame seeds on the top!  :P  


(Sorry, way off topic!)



I'm kinda just worried about throwing out the baby with the bathwater (sorry, i hate that term too :lol: ). I mean, I'm well aware sugar is bad, but I'm not sure decent quality starchy carbs are bad. I mean, sure, they don't contain too many vitamins etc. (though bread is normally fortified, whether that does any good I dunno) but they contain energy, which is kinda necessary too (!).

I'm just kinda wary of anything i read about health, frankly. Once the magazines and newspapers get hold of it, any relation to what the original scientific paper actually said is normally completely coincidental :lol:

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Re: Minimum Booze Pricing
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2012, 08:31:42 PM »
Look at Italy's culture and Spain's for that matter, they don't have anything like the same issues.

they also have really freakin' nice weather. Look at all the countries with bad drinking problems. they tend to be in northern europe. I.E. cr@p weather. people feel down because of the weather and drink more. Or drink because you can't go outside to do something fun.

I dunno, it might be nothing to do with that. Or it might. :lol: