Output level Aftermath/Painkiller/Warpig

[KevinMarchesini]

For a guitar like yours, the Painkiller is Way way to bright and middy..... where bass wood is NOT a warm sounding wood, nor it is great with low mids...

I disagree with this quote. I have found Basswood to be warm, and definitely not lacking in Mids. I also disagree that the Painkiller would be too bright for the wood composition in question.

http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/BodyWoodOptions.aspx


 The Painkiller is excellent for thrash in my opinion.  The Aftermath can do it as well.  The Painkiller is going to have more bite though. 

I disagree with your quote. Basswood is a balanced wood so it's not that warm, it has a bit of everything (less bass than the others). It's sometimes called a flat sounding wood and for me it takes and reflects the characteristic of the pickups. Therefore  the result from using a Painkiller on a Basswood body could make it sound too bright.

[DoomBuggi]

I may be mistaken, but my statement is from my experience.  I've never owned one, but have played a handful.  :good:

[Madsakre]

i got a RGD with a painkiller. i dont think it sounds too bright..

[LiveWire]

Holy cr@p! That cascade is outrageous! Thanks again Eric, we've created a monster. Can't believe how much overdrive it added, still toying around with surrounding caps and resistors to get the tone right but this one stays for good. Finally the doors are open to the whole range of pickups.

Anyone tried the Aftermath and Painkiller? How would you describe the difference?

[darkbluemurder]

Holy cr@p! That cascade is outrageous! Thanks again Eric, we've created a monster. Can't believe how much overdrive it added,

That is because the gains of cascaded stage do not add, they multiply so that the last stage in the preamp is easily overdriven. And yes, you would not need as much gain from the pickup itself.

Cheers Stephan

[gwEm]

the x2n didn't sound too bad i thought, though it is a little 2d maybe.

this is a job for ceramic. miracle man or painkiller i would have thought. painkiller has a strong attack, which may or may not be for you.

[Bundydude]

Newbie here and somewhat confused...I write/play power metal with a progressive edge. But as for guitar sound I prefer a heavy almost doom metal sound with the grit and bite of thrash/death metal. I intended on installing a BK Warpig into the bridge position of a Schecter Omen 6 and from what I'm reading here I should use the Aftermath or Painkiller instead...Is this correct? I really liked the sound of the ceramic Warpig, but,I'm open to listening so that I get it right.  \m/ :?:

[Madsakre]

the ceramic warpig would suit your needs Bundydude

[Bundydude]

Thanks Madsakre, much appreciated...Here's a question I posed to BK. I was told that since I use a solid state amp that I would not notice a difference in sound quality. So I guess what they're saying is that unless I use a tube amp, the use of a BK Warpig is pointless. Has anyone heard this before? Is there any truth to this? I'd hate to purchase the Warpig and not be able to hear a relatively large sound difference.  \m/ :?:

[Bundydude]

A question of curiosity...As previously mentioned, I write/play power metal (the US version, i.e. Nevermore/Flotsam & Jetsam/Metal Church//Iced Earth/etc...Not the Euro symphonic style) with a touch of progressive metal and some thrash and doom metal leanings. That being said and again as previously mentioned, I want to install a BK Warpig (Bridge) and a DiMarzio LiquiFire DP227 (Neck) into a Schecter Omen 6. I'm wondering if anyone knows how those two pickups compare to say the EMG's 81 & 85 or the Seymore Duncan Dimebucker or any of the Seymore Duncan Blackout models, or maybe someone knows of a different brand/style of pickups that might work.  \m/  :?:

[ericsabbath]

that's an unboosted alnico warpig in a les paul custom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYM-W3vYOUE

[ericsabbath]

Holy cr@p! That cascade is outrageous! Thanks again Eric, we've created a monster. Can't believe how much overdrive it added, still toying around with surrounding caps and resistors to get the tone right but this one stays for good. Finally the doors are open to the whole range of pickups.

Anyone tried the Aftermath and Painkiller? How would you describe the difference?

how's it wired?
3 stages in series and the cathode follower like a JCM? what are the cathode and plate resistors and caps values?

[Madsakre]

Thanks Madsakre, much appreciated...Here's a question I posed to BK. I was told that since I use a solid state amp that I would not notice a difference in sound quality. So I guess what they're saying is that unless I use a tube amp, the use of a BK Warpig is pointless. Has anyone heard this before? Is there any truth to this? I'd hate to purchase the Warpig and not be able to hear a relatively large sound difference.  \m/ :?:

this is utter bullshitee.  Typical rantings from a blues lawyer.

[LiveWire]

how's it wired?
3 stages in series and the cathode follower like a JCM? what are the cathode and plate resistors and caps values?

Took me some time to fine tune the thing. Did the one wire "Randy Rhoads" mod so that would be three stages right? Kept the plate resistors stock value. Played around a lot with the cathode caps and resistors, ended up with 220uf/470ohm on v1a and .1uf/10k on v1b. That took care of the excess basses aquired through the cascade and kept the amp clear and focused.

However, this weekend I installed the Painkiller and had a test round. Also changed everything back to stock as a reference and ended up ditching the cascade. Had to admit it took away too much tone and articulate dynamics. The output level of the Painkiller is pretty impressive though, little less than the L500XL and X2N but still capable of thrashing like hell on a stock plexi :P Will make a recording this weekend and post it.

The Painkiller is pretty punchy in the high mids though, a little too punchy for such a bright amp. Am strongly considering to move to a Holydiver. Any ideas on that?

Edit: but first, John Fogerty live tonight in Amsterdam!!

[darkbluemurder]

I was told that since I use a solid state amp that I would not notice a difference in sound quality. So I guess what they're saying is that unless I use a tube amp, the use of a BK Warpig is pointless. Has anyone heard this before?

This would be only true if by "solid state amp" they meant "cheap solid state practice amp". There are plenty of good solid state amps which would let you hear a difference between various pickups. 

Cheers Stephan