SSS set for early to mid Yngwie/Joe Stump sound? Plus info on JVM/Vint. Modern!

[ericsabbath]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MARSHALL-DSL-50-JCM2000-ONE-OWNER-NEW-WORLD-WIDE-SHIP-/251060782411

not a fan of this one, but that's probably the best you can get for the money, if you decide for a multi-channel Marshall head

there are quite cheap JCM 800 combos on ebay uk, though

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Marshall-JCM800-100w-combo-amplifier-model-4211-/300712879258

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Marshall-JCM-800-4212-2-x-12-Valve-Combo-Guitar-Amp-50W-/370613028796

these are the 2 channel JCM 800, that have extra diode clipping gain and different circuits

[Vintage Metal]

Cheers for that. I'll really have to do my research into the JCM800.

And I'll be getting a Zilla 2x12 cab, not 4x12. That would just be overkill lolz.

[Vintage Metal]

How does the 800 compare to the VM and JVM? I hear the JVM can explore both Plexi and 800 areas? Obviously not perfect. I have a guitar with the Emerald set in them, so would be nice to have something that would be great with these as to single coil shreddness. Something really open and organic. Very responsive too! I like my emotion to shine through in my playing. That's why I picked the Emeralds as to a contemporary pickup for metal.

[itamar101]

Why do so many guitarists have to have an amp and cab? What am I missing? I generally use 1X12 combos or a 2X12 combo at most as after that it's either going to have a mic shoved in front of it or it's simply too big and cumbersome for the venue or both. Hell, last time I saw Joe Satriani he was using a JVM combo with a mic in front of it and the venue was probably a lot bigger than most guitarists on forums. The only time I had an amp and 4X12 cab, I hated it. It was a pig to cart around and I was always struggling for space at gigs. Sure, it had a bigger sound than the combo but I wouldn't go back to the amp and cab for anything as the difference wasn't THAT great and certainly nobody in the audience gave a rat's ass either way. I've even spoken to a number of pro guitarists who have told me not to bother with an amp and cab as it's not needed. Is it just that it looks cool?

I guess it's just looks and the mentality of "bigger = better".
The first time I bought a tube amp I was going for a head and a 4x12. The shop owner actually convinced me NOT to get a 4x12 because it's overkill. Too loud and boomy for house use, impossible to move around and 2x the price of a 2x12. He said that 2x12 are easily sufficient for most gigs anyone will ever do and if not then it'll be mic'd anyway.
People still buy 4x12s from him but he doesn't even recommend it to most people.
Awesome guy, taught me something new and saved me money at his own expense... well not exactly at his own expense... I haven't bought an amp or pedals or even cables from anyone else since then.

Anyway, i ended up getting the 2x12 and it's perfect. Sounds great, loads of bass but not to boomy for house use like a 4x12. It's also almost as easy to carry around as my old 1x12 combo and performs better in live situations.

[Vintage Metal]

Why do so many guitarists have to have an amp and cab? What am I missing? I generally use 1X12 combos or a 2X12 combo at most as after that it's either going to have a mic shoved in front of it or it's simply too big and cumbersome for the venue or both. Hell, last time I saw Joe Satriani he was using a JVM combo with a mic in front of it and the venue was probably a lot bigger than most guitarists on forums. The only time I had an amp and 4X12 cab, I hated it. It was a pig to cart around and I was always struggling for space at gigs. Sure, it had a bigger sound than the combo but I wouldn't go back to the amp and cab for anything as the difference wasn't THAT great and certainly nobody in the audience gave a rat's ass either way. I've even spoken to a number of pro guitarists who have told me not to bother with an amp and cab as it's not needed. Is it just that it looks cool?

I guess it's just looks and the mentality of "bigger = better".
The first time I bought a tube amp I was going for a head and a 4x12. The shop owner actually convinced me NOT to get a 4x12 because it's overkill. Too loud and boomy for house use, impossible to move around and 2x the price of a 2x12. He said that 2x12 are easily sufficient for most gigs anyone will ever do and if not then it'll be mic'd anyway.
People still buy 4x12s from him but he doesn't even recommend it to most people.
Awesome guy, taught me something new and saved me money at his own expense... well not exactly at his own expense... I haven't bought an amp or pedals or even cables from anyone else since then.

Anyway, i ended up getting the 2x12 and it's perfect. Sounds great, loads of bass but not to boomy for house use like a 4x12. It's also almost as easy to carry around as my old 1x12 combo and performs better in live situations.

I hear the Zilla Fatboy has the pump of a 4x12, in a much compact size. That'll be my next research: Cabinet Speakers. I hear the Fatboy are V30s which I like, but I'll need to research into if they're my ideal speakers

[itamar101]

Why do so many guitarists have to have an amp and cab? What am I missing? I generally use 1X12 combos or a 2X12 combo at most as after that it's either going to have a mic shoved in front of it or it's simply too big and cumbersome for the venue or both. Hell, last time I saw Joe Satriani he was using a JVM combo with a mic in front of it and the venue was probably a lot bigger than most guitarists on forums. The only time I had an amp and 4X12 cab, I hated it. It was a pig to cart around and I was always struggling for space at gigs. Sure, it had a bigger sound than the combo but I wouldn't go back to the amp and cab for anything as the difference wasn't THAT great and certainly nobody in the audience gave a rat's ass either way. I've even spoken to a number of pro guitarists who have told me not to bother with an amp and cab as it's not needed. Is it just that it looks cool?

I guess it's just looks and the mentality of "bigger = better".
The first time I bought a tube amp I was going for a head and a 4x12. The shop owner actually convinced me NOT to get a 4x12 because it's overkill. Too loud and boomy for house use, impossible to move around and 2x the price of a 2x12. He said that 2x12 are easily sufficient for most gigs anyone will ever do and if not then it'll be mic'd anyway.
People still buy 4x12s from him but he doesn't even recommend it to most people.
Awesome guy, taught me something new and saved me money at his own expense... well not exactly at his own expense... I haven't bought an amp or pedals or even cables from anyone else since then.

Anyway, i ended up getting the 2x12 and it's perfect. Sounds great, loads of bass but not to boomy for house use like a 4x12. It's also almost as easy to carry around as my old 1x12 combo and performs better in live situations.

I hear the Zilla Fatboy has the pump of a 4x12, in a much compact size. That'll be my next research: Cabinet Speakers. I hear the Fatboy are V30s which I like, but I'll need to research into if they're my ideal speakers

I've heard great stuff about the Zilla Fatboy too... I'd definitely check it out but I use an Orange PPC212 Closed Back and I love it. Orange 4x12s are great too but are sometimes too boomy... thats just what the 2x12 isn't.

[Vintage Metal]

I really want a sound that cuts through. I find live performances in small gigs tend to be very boomy neways, so I'd like something less boomy. I found the bass player is usually the culprit, so I don't want to mush in with the bass. Something mid spectum I'd like.

[ericsabbath]

for small room gigs, a good 1x12 closed back cab with the right speaker really kicks as much ass as a 4x12...
best live tone I ever heard was Jerry Cantrell's tone in brazilian SWU festival last year...
he uses a miked Bogner 1x12 insided an isolation cabinet

I used to carry my 1960A with a pair of Scumback H75 (pre-rola G12H clones made by Weber) and a pair of MG Music Black Dogs (brazilian 50w greenback based speakers; same magnet and cone parts of the Weber Silver Bell)
although it sounds amazing with both of my 50w amps (a heavily modded '73 Marshall JMP and a custom Zambelli Hyperdrive), my rough cheap frontloaded closed back 1x12 with a Mesa Celestion Black Shadow sounded better at small rooms
unfortunately, one speaker can't hold as much abuse as a multi speaker setup, despite of having equivalent power handling and it ended up blown at a small gig after the third band
I set up the amp myself, and it wasn't that loud, but speakers can overheat quickly, specially under heavy distorted tones
so, tonewise it can sound really good, and also a relief for your back and shoulders, but it's not a healthy thing to always trust a 1x12 for gigs
just make sure you're not lending your cab or combo for other bands

there's no such thing as a 4x12 being overkill, though
it's all about projection
smaller cabs sound more directional, while a 4x12 tends to fill the ambient better

[ericsabbath]

How does the 800 compare to the VM and JVM? I hear the JVM can explore both Plexi and 800 areas? Obviously not perfect. I have a guitar with the Emerald set in them, so would be nice to have something that would be great with these as to single coil shreddness. Something really open and organic. Very responsive too! I like my emotion to shine through in my playing. That's why I picked the Emeralds as to a contemporary pickup for metal.

JVM is a good amp, but the circuit is so oversaturated to the point you can't a proper older amps tones
it's not like some of the boutique hot rodded marshalls (bogner, cameron, suhr) cause they simply went waaay too far on hot rodding it
unlike the Yngwie, the Randy, the Kerry King or the Slash amps, for example, that have messed up construction, but fine circuits
lowering the gain on a JVM gain channel isn't easy, and the low gain channels don't sound like a real low/mid gain amp
although I really enjoy its high gain metal tones AT LOW SETTINGS (which is still pretty high gain) I'd never call it an organic or open sounding or responsive amp
if having both heavy high gain distortion and cleans is your main goal, there are better amps, in my opinion

and as I said, a single channel JCM 800 or JMP has a lot more dynamics and can deliver a lot of different tones depending on guitar, pickups, pedals, playing style and settings

if you search the BKP Sound Clips section you'll find several clips recorded with Tim's JCM 800

[Vintage Metal]

As I said, I already have a high gain amp for my high gain needs, so I don't need an amp that delivers them high gain modern tones. I'm after something that overdrives well and provides a good power metal tone. That's why I thought of a Vintage Modern as a few of my fav bands use that amp and thought it may suit my needs. For the highgain metal tones, the Peavey provides that. So I'd like something versatile, but regarding the mega high gain spectrum, that doesnt interest me. I just need something that "sings".

[Madsakre]

Yngwie uses Jcm 2000's live. You may look into them. Im quite the odd guy around here, because i cant stand the JVM, but i love the dsl100 to bits.
That amp is simple, tried, tested and works for both shred and even extreme death metal, if you like that kinda stuff ;)

[BigB]

Why do so many guitarists have to have an amp and cab? What am I missing? I generally use 1X12 combos or a 2X12 combo at most as after that it's either going to have a mic shoved in front of it or it's simply too big and cumbersome for the venue or both.

A 2x12 combo (heck, even a cheap 1x12 like the HRDx) is already a pain when it comes to bulk and weight as far as I'm concerned, and can easily be too loud for small venues, while still being too directional. Also, there are very few closed-back combos, and for some tones nothing beats a closed-back.

FWIW, a cab doesn't have to be a huge 4x12 neither - you can chose almost any configuration as long as it can handle your head's power -  and a head is not necessarily a hi-wattage one neither, you can (now) find some very cool heads in the 15 / 30w range, which is enough for most situations AFAICT.

So it's not necessary a matter of SPL or "looking cool"...  My current rig (18W head and small 4x10 marshall cab) is easier to carry and doesn't take much more space than my HRDx, and it has a way better projection so I don't have to be as loud to cut thru the mix. 

[Vintage Metal]

Yngwie uses Jcm 2000's live. You may look into them. Im quite the odd guy around here, because i cant stand the JVM, but i love the dsl100 to bits.
That amp is simple, tried, tested and works for both shred and even extreme death metal, if you like that kinda stuff ;)

I've seen Yngwie multiple times and I've never seen him use a JCM2000. It's not like his wall of Marshalls is hard to miss haha. I've always seen Plexis. Only time I've seen him play a JCM2000 is on an instructional video :S Hemay have experimented at one point though when he was doing his sig amp.

Plus he has his own sig amp now, so wouldn't be good promotion for Marshall if he was using a different amp to his sig lolz.

[Slartibartfarst42]

Horses for courses but my 1X12 combo on an amp stand does very well and I've never felt the need for anything else.

[ericsabbath]

unlike the other two channel JCM 900, this is one of the finest sounding post 80's amps Marshall made (the other version has solid state distortion)
if you run, you can catch it for cheap

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-MARSHALL-JCM900-MASTER-VOLUME-MODEL-2500-50-WATT-AMPLIFIER-AMP-HEAD-/130692985268