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Slightly premature NAD
« on: October 20, 2013, 07:27:50 PM »
Got me a 5150 to add to the tower of power. Think its from around 1995?
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2013, 08:35:11 PM »
Always wanted to have a go with one of those
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2013, 10:12:09 PM »
Ah. the old 'block letter' 5150 ... good score.

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2013, 10:17:38 PM »

Is it a block logo? I get a little confused by this.
It has the older block '5150' on the front but it has Eddie's signature on the control panel, instead of the letters 'EVH'. I thought that had something to do with aging them. I thought it was 95 based on the potentiometer codes. I will say, I think the laters one are built slightly better.

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2013, 10:22:50 PM »
It looks just like the ones in the first ads that I remember, but I can't see the signature on there or remember where they were.  The Peavey logo though is one that was introduced with the 5150 at some point and then went over to other amps like the 'red stripe' Bandit.

EDIT: you are right ... it is the signature that indicates that it is a slightly later unit.  I couldn't see that in the photo.  Bother 'block letter' and 'signature' versions have the block logo ... very confusing!

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-equipment/221233-anyone-have-knowledge-peavey-5150-serial-numbers.html

1995 is fairly old though.

The caps are probably bubbled and would need replacement now or soonish, unless they have been done before or the amp has rarely been used.
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2013, 10:43:44 PM »

It's not been used much at all. I got it from a friend of a friend who spent years travelling and kept it in storage.
The outside is really dusty and the valves looked past it. It has some weird chinese 6L6's in it and unbranded 12AX7's.

Inside it's immaculate. The bias is amazingly cold. no burn marks anywhere. The stupidly low value screen grid resistor are all intact (I've seen a few 5150's where these go open circuit effectively shutting down one valve socket, but because the filament in the valve makes it glow people think they have 4 working valves). It sounds fine, I've had amps with old filter caps before so I know what that sounds like. I might swap some caps though still.

I'm tempted to go down the route of modding it, adding a choke and all that stuff.

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2013, 11:09:40 PM »
Congrats! Nice score.
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2013, 12:56:42 AM »
The 5150 series amps are generally biased very much on the cold side for reliability reasons (remember, Peavey give a five year warranty). Sounds like yours has been left stock except for a (cheap?) revalve at some point.  Frank at Custom Music (who make Woogie amps) here in Adelaide says he's modded a couple of them with a bias pot that is adjustable from the back panel, this seems worth looking into but take care to avoid biasing it too hot.

I will switch out the valves in my 6534+ eventually.  I'm pretty sure they are cheap ones, they sound fizzy
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2013, 02:06:45 AM »

I've done the adjustable bias mod on a few 5150's and 6505's. Adding external pots and test points isn't a huge deal either really but I check bias using plate current draw these days and not cathode (+screen) so I always open the amp to bias anyway.

There are two or three points people make about the cool bias. One is reliability like you said. The second is usually 'crossover distortion', which some say is a contributing factor in the sound of the 5150. This 5150 is biased so cold that it's beyond what would normally be considered 'cool'. It's ice cold! The other thing worth noting which may well be different in your amp since it has EL34's and some other changes I think... is that in the 5150/6505 the Screen Grid resistors are 100ohms. In most amps you see those resistors at 470ohms (for 6L6's) or 1Kohms (EL34's). In actually fact 1K is fine for both, so is 1.5K. Some amps even have 2.2K screen grid resistors. They are there to keep the screen at a lower potential than the plate. 470ohm and 1K are legacy values that every just copies. Bugera have used a value between that in amps that can run 6L6 or EL34 but that is actually just stupid. You may as well use 1K for both. You won't hear a difference. Anyway, the value of those resistors is so low in the 5150 that they don't do a good job and I've seen loads of them fried, which is why it they were the first thing I checked on this amp. Increasing the size of these resistors will increase reliability way more than an ice cold bias. The push on ribbon cables don't help the reliablity issue either. I'm going to try and replace them with something like the cables in to the newer amps. Still push on connectors (not great) but with discrete heavier guage wire rather than flat ribbon.

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2013, 06:26:04 PM »
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2013, 11:13:34 PM »
Tower of Power indeed!
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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2013, 11:54:27 PM »
bet your neighbour loves you  :lol:

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2013, 07:30:49 AM »

Ordered some new valves to try in my SLO so I'll be moving valves around into the 5150. It'll end up with Tung Sol 7581 output valves. JJ's in the pre and probably a JAN 5751 for V1.

I've played around reducing the noise in these before so I'm going to do those tricks I can remember too. I have a spare choke so I can see how the choke mod sounds. I might see if I can make a cable to actually bypass the whole FX loop too (I'm not a fan of FX loops). All those things are reversable and easy to set up to test.

Upgrading the screen grid resistors is going to be tough since peavey in their wisdom when this was made decided to rivet that PCB the chassis and mount those resistors on the underside of the board.

The intention is to run the 5150 with the green clone and pick up a 2x12 at some point as in my current band I'll be the only guitarist. Going to make some jazzy use of a stutter pedal and a y-splitter. Also, I kind of feel like starting a little high gain amp collection.

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2013, 11:24:18 AM »
Dude, where exactly do you live and what are your working hours?  :lol:

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Re: Slightly premature NAD
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 11:44:39 AM »
i've been looking at these lately. always sounded great. and i'd like to have a nice backup amp to my dual rectifier
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