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Stormy Mondays installed...
« on: February 10, 2015, 09:54:15 PM »
Now...
I don't want to get too hyperbolic here...
I mean, I've only just installed them in the Les Paul Traditional...
I've only vaguely tweaked them height-wise...
I haven't even changed the strings (nor the pots or caps)...
I've only been playing it for an hour or so...
But...

OH MY F***ING GOODNESS!!

It's the same but a different guitar. A far bigger immediate change than I've had with any of the other BKPs I've installed (these have replaced the stock 57 Classic and 57 Classic + ... nice pickups, I like them, but not as much as this).

On the BKP humbucker side, I've always loved the Mules, and for recordings it's often the Riff Raffs that deliver the goods when I want humbucking tones.

But like many others (I guess) I never really considered Stormy Mondays. I'd always kinda suspected that they wouldn't have enough oink for me. I got this set bearing that in mind, knowing that they'd be pretty good for other applications in several of my other guitars if they don't quite do it for me in this Les Paul...

But I was wrong. If you're inclined towards blues/rock, classic rock, etc, these are IT in spades. They are sweet and aggressive at the same time. They seem to cover areas, effortlessly, that both Mules and Riff Raffs do for me.

I'm stunned. I've never heard anything like it. Well, I have, it's the Les Paul sound I had in my head. As well as my own stuff, I've been playing Billy Gibbons, Black Crowes, Thin Lizzy, Free, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Marc Bolan, AC/DC, all the riffs/etc I can think of... and they all come out "right" through the same amp setting. This guitar is SO versatile now.

Newly converted, I'm a BIG Stormy Monday fan :cool:

I'll stop there for the moment (just in case I'm imagining it all! :grin:)

(I'll try and do some clips in the next few days/weekends)
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 10:08:14 PM »
Hah! Congrats! Thatīs why I am pushing them and the PG since I tried their relative, the 10th. The Mules are great, no doubt, but they are hyped to where they take space away from deserving pickups. The RR does get some shine, but the Stormy and PG seem like the forgotten ones. In a way the Mule some days even seems like a bit of an almost mainstream-y boring option since it is so universally classic, where are the others are more assosiated with specific classics if that makes sense.

I did however have the same reaction as you when I tried my 10ths. There is a very special mojo about those low alnico mags. They are rounded and softer in an incredibly natural and organic way, letting the guitar shine through like nothing else. The wind then however is adjusted so that they donīt get dull or loose bite. In a way my 10ths are the most in your face ones I own. Low gain they are so alive and up front it is insane. Add gain and they come alive in such a brilliant way. Itīs a lot about the sounds we grew up with and forgot, and now we can have them again.

Love the Stormy Monday and the PG Blues! They are the really old guy at the jam, sitting and nodding his head till you get him on stage and suddenly he opens up and drops jaws.

I know that Stormys are on my list, but the PG or the Bluenote are at the very top for that reason.



Looking forward to reading more about these beautys from you!
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 10:20:56 PM »
Oh there you go making me re assess my thoughts for my 339.
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 10:26:10 PM »
Yep, Kilchi - it was reading your posts about the 10th Anniversary Set that started me thinking about the Stormy Mondays, many thanks! :smiley:

38th, YES! I was thinking of you while I was first playing them. You NEED Stormy Mondays, you cannot possibly know the secret of Apaches and not appreciate what Stormies could do in your humbucking world! :grin:
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 11:12:08 PM »
Yep, Kilchi - it was reading your posts about the 10th Anniversary Set that started me thinking about the Stormy Mondays, many thanks! :smiley:
Ah, cheers! Happy to spread the love. I still am wondering though how similar the two really are. I believe the 10th are in essence a hotter take on the Stormy, but details are rare. If any truth is found there I certainly would love the Stormy.

Btw, did you get yours potted or not? Asking cause I went the full vintage and did not pot mine. If the relationship assumption is true and you got potted stormys and I got unpotted 10ths I could imagine that factor closes the gap a bit actually.
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 11:27:27 PM »
I went unpotted. I'm not sure how much difference it makes, all mine are unpotted. I was definitely up for the clarity, string separation, etc, so seeing as I don't use high gain (or play live anymore) , I just tend to go unpotted.
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 11:54:37 PM »
I went unpotted. I'm not sure how much difference it makes, all mine are unpotted. I was definitely up for the clarity, string separation, etc, so seeing as I don't use high gain (or play live anymore) , I just tend to go unpotted.
Once I tried it I now also am down that path with anything vintage-ish. It seems to open everything up. There is more air, depth, and definition there. It sounds free and less cramped. It really does feel like you are pulling some wax out of the sound. Details which are more noticable in lower gain situtations of course, but about as under apprechiated as the PG and SM Iīd say by now.

Btw, I just got thinking about ways to describe these ones. I guess smooth is the word that gets people to turn away, when it really is that certain brilliant sweetness these PUs have. An innocence if you will. However, still waters really are deep. Really struggeling for the right words to convey the wonder these ones have...

This really reactivated my PU switching thoughts...and I need more guitars too!
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 12:02:43 AM »
Great call for the Stormies. They don't get much love here lately. Oh dear, now I must get a guitar to put them in...
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 12:41:08 AM »
That was quick Andy - you only left my place at 6pm

Do you think you will swap the pots too - to the 550k ones or just go with the stock ones?
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 01:28:14 AM »
Quick question, are they much lower gain than the Mule or Riff Raff, or are the SM on the same level?
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2015, 02:00:36 AM »
Neck pickup isn'tmuch lower in gain than Mule/Riff Raff - just a bit cleaner & sweeter
I find the bridge pickup noticeably weaker than the mule (maybe not so much than the riff raff)
The PG blues or 10th anniversary havea bt more Oomph in the bridge unit

I like the Mule Bridge and Stormy neck combo as a do it all vintage combination
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2015, 02:58:30 AM »
Neck pickup isn'tmuch lower in gain than Mule/Riff Raff - just a bit cleaner & sweeter
I find the bridge pickup noticeably weaker than the mule (maybe not so much than the riff raff)
The PG blues or 10th anniversary havea bt more Oomph in the bridge unit

I like the Mule Bridge and Stormy neck combo as a do it all vintage combination

thanks dude....great answer :cool:
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2015, 09:22:45 AM »
That was quick Andy - you only left my place at 6pm

Do you think you will swap the pots too - to the 550k ones or just go with the stock ones?

Ah... we don't hang about here at AndyR Towers - even managed to flip the G and Low E saddles on the Nashville bridge (plenty room for intonation now).

On the strength of what I was hearing last night, I don't think I need to swap the pots - but I haven't played through some of my other set-ups yet (it was all THR10C last night).

However, I suspect I will put the 550s in when the dust has settled and I'm in less of a rush to hear/feel the new pickups! I'm imagining I'll end up with more "range" on the tone controls. With the existing ones - which I'm currently assuming are 300 - the tones are in fact usable all the way down to zero with the SMs on my "stock" amp setting. I was quite surprised by that - and it seems a strong argument for keeping them as they are.

But on the other hand, I wouldn't be using that sound that often... and, on the bridge pickup, "middle ground" on the tone seemed to be around 8/9 last night... it was 5/6 with the 57+ Classic. Not that the 57 was clearer (NO WAY!!), it was slightly "harsher" and I guess I was "taming" it. The SM bridge is full of sweet top-end, leaves you feeling "ooo, I'll have some of that!" so I was leaving the tone wider open. Perfectly usable like this, but I like a bit more travel so I have more in reserve.

This was all low volume, though... And I do have a distinct "hey! if it ain't broke..." feeling about it at the moment.

I'll see how it goes... there is another possible home for three of them at least - and I knew this while I was buying them - my Explorer has just received 57 Classics (those came with my 335 originally), rather liking the "chewy" effect these have had on it. But it could do with a spot more clarity, and I know for a fact that the pots in there are 300. I'm probably going to put the Les Paul's 57/57+ set in there anyway next string change (for sentimental reasons, mainly - when I opened up the Les Paul, I found the pickups were both wound on my birthday in 2012!!).

Anyway... twas a pleasure doing business with you as usual... :smiley:

Neck pickup isn'tmuch lower in gain than Mule/Riff Raff - just a bit cleaner & sweeter
I find the bridge pickup noticeably weaker than the mule (maybe not so much than the riff raff)
The PG blues or 10th anniversary havea bt more Oomph in the bridge unit

I like the Mule Bridge and Stormy neck combo as a do it all vintage combination

thanks dude....great answer :cool:

Glad you answered that! :laugh:

I'd have been scratching my head on how to answer - I don't really think in terms of "gain" ... but I think I fully agree. I've yet to directly compare the SM'd Les Paul with my Mule'd 335 and RR'd SG, but I think yes, the Mule bridge does give you a bit more "rarrr!" without you having to try. Needless to say, I shall be trying them all next to each other for the next few days/weeks.

I have to say I was VERY pleasantly surprised by the SM. From all the discussions I've seen before, I was expecting it to be possibly well, not exactly "wimpy", but not as rock and roll as I usually want. I would say, even though I'm expecting my comparisons to show the same as Jonathan says, in no way does "weaker than the mule" put the SM into "oh, a bit weak" territory. I don't do hi-gain stuff, the amp set-up I was using last night is modelling something like a Marshall JTM45 running full tilt - it's set up for my Mules and Riff Raffs - and I felt absolutely at home. The guitar volume was still backed off to 7/8 for my crunch/rhythm, actually sounded good for lead too. Turning it up just got "more" but a lot more touch-sensitive than the Mules.

And where it really stunned me (and this is what I'd been hoping for but had hardly dared say out loud) was in turning down the guitar volume. It goes down to 2/3 and is heavenly! I find the Riff Raffs (and they've been in a couple of SGs and the Explorer) sound a bit harsh down there, and the Mules sound a bit, er, "wimpy" :grin: ... not a lot of character. I actually prefer the 57 Classics for that sort of thing... But the SMs, oh bliss, I'll happily play the guitar like that! (And there's not a huge drop in volume from full-open).

They really do fit what I believe their "name reference" to be. Stormy Monday is an old T-Bone Walker song covered by The Allman Brothers. My understanding is that the Stormy Monday pickup is named after the Duane Allman and Dickie Betts sounds on Live at the Fillmore East. If you own or are familiar with that album... and are wondering... like I was... I can confirm that EVERY SINGLE GUITAR SOUND on that album, from sweet plummy clean to biting rasp, all of them can come out of one SM loaded Les Paul and a single channel valve amp with no pedals!!
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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2015, 01:33:04 PM »
wonderful to hear how well they tick all the boxes.

I have my Mule /Stormy combination in this baby:





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Re: Stormy Mondays installed...
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2015, 01:50:02 PM »
That's the one I had in my hands for a few moments? Had a pretty gorgeous feeling neck - action wa-ay too slick for me, though (although I am getting used to lower/faster actions). And it felt like holding a feather compared to this Les Paul :grin:
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