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« on: July 25, 2006, 01:33:34 PM »
hey guys! (if this is the wrong forum, feel free to move it, Ol, I wasn't sure which to put it in, since there's bits about pickups and bits about fx!)

Anyway, as some of you may know, I was in London recently. So of course, I went on a marathon testing out session (over about 5 days)! EDIT: see my post below for the list of all I tried! If you want any info on anything I tried, my personal feelings about them, then post in here!

I'm not going to list even a fraction of what I tried, as it'd fill about 15 pages, but I will tell about the two things that people in this forum talk about a lot- BKP's and HBE (for Ben/TO!).

Anyway, the BKP. Andy's music shop in Denmark street had a Charlie Chandler strat with a single pickup strat, marked as having a
 "bareknuckle pickup!"

I have to try that, I think. Anyway, I ask to try it. Needless to say, when I ask, the sales guy doesn't know what pickup it is. Grrr, foiled!

Anyway, he plugs me into a fender bassman amp. I haven't tried this amp before. Foiled again (I didn't see anything I was familiar with, amp-wise)!

As you can tell, this isn't going too well...

So I start to play. Cleans are a little dark, I think it's alnico V (seems a bit too modern sounding for alnico II, too warm for ceramic- of course, this could be cr@p, lol), so I'm guessing it's one of the higher gain pickups. Definitely very good cleans if it is one of the higher gain pickups. Very responsive to touch too.

Then he plugs me into an older line 6 amp, to try the distortion. To be honest, I couldn't tell very much, because I'm not used to the amp, and I was plugged into a very bass-heavy, modern sounding model (recto?). It did sound a lot better than a Duncan I tried to compare it too, but then I expected that. I wasn't impressed with Duncans even before I'd tried BK's.

So I'm thinking it was a nailbomb, or holy diver, something like that. If anyone has any ideas, I'd appreciate it. So yeah, I was pretty impressed, just it was unfortunate that I didn't get to try it in the best of circumstances. (according to charlie chandler's website, their guitars have fralin pickups, maybe someone got a BKP specially put in it? Oh, and I just realised I was looking at the CC guitar experience website, not the one at kew, before I went to London. And I decided not to go. The one in Kew has Mojave etc. cr@p. :( Ah well, I just have to go back some other time...)

On to the pedals. I tried the HBE big D, the power screamer (with fat boost mod) and the uno mos. I tried them head to head with some other od's.

The big D is awesome. So many options, etc. And sounded really good too- you could almost get an overdrive out of it, though it didn't quite match up to the standalone OD's I was trying it against. Now, to be fair I haven't really tried very many distortion pedals, but I thought this one ruled. Thumbs up.

Power screamer: really very good, but not just as jaw-droppingly so, in my opinion. It ruled because of the options, but there were other pedals that sounded as good for cheaper (blackbox x-ray, though it has nowhere near the options) or a bit better for a lot more cash (klon centaur).

So yeah, really very very good, but not amazing, perhaps. It's the one to buy if you want loads of options. I also thought the fat boost mod was worth the extra cash, if that's of use to anyone.

Uno mos: excellent. Does what it says on the tin- a transparent clean boost, which sounds awesome.

There you go, just thought I'd share...

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 01:38:11 PM »
Nice review!

I think it would be cool to have a list, at least, of what you tried out or compared. Then we can grille you for specifics!

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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2006, 02:06:13 PM »
Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
Nice review!

I think it would be cool to have a list, at least, of what you tried out or compared. Then we can grille you for specifics!


Thanks!

ah cr@p, lol. I have to go for lunch now, but I'll make a list of everything I tried to the best of my knowledge. And put them in order, based on what I compared to what (since that's what really matters- heck, if I tried an MG on its own, I'd probably like it. Maybe not, but you know what I mean).

I'll get on it later.

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2006, 05:50:59 PM »
The list:

I'll break it down into the things I got to try head-to-head (some of these may have been the same shop, but a different day, lol). Oh, and two asterisks beside an amp means I got to crank it to the max- one means I got to get the power tubes working a little, but nowhere near full up. (** or *)

Shop A:

Godin Freeway (classic?)

through

Orange Rockerverb 30 combo *
Randall RH50 head and cab (all-tube)
Randall RM100 combo with Plexi, Recto and Deluxe modules

Shop B:

ESP George Lynch (older model, not LTD).
ESP MII (again, older model- not LTD).
Ibanez J-Custom RG (older model).

Through Marshall DSL100 head and cab.

Shop C:

Yamaha AES620
Epiphone Les Paul Custom
PRS Tremonti SE
Ibanez SZ320MH

Through Marshall DSL100 head and cab.

Shop D:

Washburn X50pro (with duncan custom custom and '59)

through

H&K Triamp MK II
H&K Switchblade
Peavey 6505

Shop E:

Gordon Smith Gypsy through JMI AC30 (i was trying OD pedals here- the others were just in the chain :D )

Maxon OD808, Maxon OD9, Voodoo Labs Sparkle Drive, T Rex Alberta, Mudhoney, EHX Big Muff, Pro Co You Dirty Rat, HBE Big D, Visual Sound H2O, Voodoo Labs Analog Chorus.

Shop F (again, OD pedals):

Fender 90's strat with lace sensors through a vintage marshall jtm45 (i think).

HBE power screamer
HBE uno mos
Klon Centaur
Blackbox X-ray

Shop G:

Ibanez RG1570

through

Cornell Romany Plus*
Cornford Hurricane*
Koch Studiotone head and 1x12*
Wolftone head and 2x12 cab*
Second-hand Chinese Vox AC15CC*

Shop H:

Ibanez PGM 301 (Paul Gilbert)

through

Laney VC30**
Laney VC15**
Laney LC30 II**
H&K Edition Tube**
Peavey Classic 30**
Engl Screamer
Fender Blues Junior**
Mesa Lonestar Special**

Shop I:

Ibanez Jem 77B
Ibanez JS1000
Musicman Luke

through

Mesa F100

PRS standard 24 20th anniversary
PRS McCarty 24
PRS Custom 24 with artist pack, 20th anniversary (about £3000 :( )

through

Mesa Roadking

Shop J:

Washburn X40pro

through

Krank Krankenstein and Revolution (both with Krankenstein Cabs)

Ibanez RG1570

through

Rivera Clubster 25 Combo*

Shop K:

G&L ASAT
G&L Tribute (that's the str*t one, right?)
Gordon Smith GS (LP Junior-style)

through

Marshall JTM60

Shop L:

All through a Hiwatt head (not too sure of the model).

Gordon Smith SG
Gordon Smith Graduate (LP-style) (p90's)
Gordon Smith Graduate (LP-style) ('buckers)
Gordon Smith Classic S (str*at style) (humbuckers)

Shop M:

Charlie Chandler str*t with unknown BK bridge humbucker

through fender bassman and Line 6 (old model)

ESP custom with SD humbucker, kahler trem, and 2 ESP singles

through Line 6 (old model)

I also have tried quite a bit of stuff before I went away- I may as well list that too, in case anyone's interested.

Shop N:

Cort X-Custom
Thunder (i think) with evos

through Genz Benz El-Diablo 60 Combo

Blade Texas Pro (str*t)

through both the diablo and a traynor YCV 20.

Shop O:

Vintage V100 (LP) (p90's) through Traynor YCV40

Shop P:

Fender USA Standard Strat
LTD Kirk Hammett LP

through

Mesa Lone Star Special*
Mesa Rectoverb
Mesa DC5 (only the clean channel worked though)
Fender Hot Rod Deville
Fender Twin
Mesa Roadking Combo

There's actually more that I tried out before I went on holiday, but I can't be bothered to type any more, lol. Holy cr@p, I've tried a lot recently- that's incredibly long already... :(

So anyway, yeah, as ben says, if you want to grill me about anything specific mentioned there, shoot!

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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 06:15:11 PM »
What was the H&K Switchblade like? That was on my list of maybe's before I got my Screamer, but I never got the chance to try one - the screamer was a must buy for the price at LGS (thanks Tim :lol: )

And what was the Ibanez SZ like - I was considering one of those as my next guitar (could be years away yet :P )

Oh and also, Wlecome back Dave - you seem to have not been around for a while :drink:

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2006, 07:31:15 PM »
Hey, I've got a Cort X-custom. Love the neck, hate the bridge pickup :(
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2006, 07:34:49 PM »
Ever thought about Nailbombs? :wink:
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2006, 08:14:45 PM »
It will be replaced when I can raise the money (along with the 2-4 new gutars I want, which will then also need BKs), but sadly at the moment Holiday takes precedent over Holydiver :( especially the callibrated zebra Holydiver set I want for that guitar  :evil:
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2006, 08:16:22 PM »
Have mine! Actually...no, you can't :P
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 09:27:56 PM »
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What was the H&K Switchblade like? That was on my list of maybe's before I got my Screamer, but I never got the chance to try one - the screamer was a must buy for the price at LGS (thanks Tim :lol: )

And what was the Ibanez SZ like - I was considering one of those as my next guitar (could be years away yet :P )

Oh and also, Wlecome back Dave - you seem to have not been around for a while :drink:

EDIT: See my Bareknuckles <---- I finally got them :D


the switchblade was alright, but not great. I dunno about H&K- they have a very unique voicing. Sounded a little sterile to me (the switchblade). Didn't help that I tried it next to the triamp though....

have you thought of checking out a genz benz el-diablo? I was very impressed with it...

the sz was good. But then I tried an SZ a while ago, and it didn't feel so good.

It's a korean ibanez. Don't buy one unless you get the chance to play the one you're going to buy, as those korean ibby's havce some pretty dodgy quality control...

What are the BK's like?

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Hey, I've got a Cort X-custom. Love the neck, hate the bridge pickup :(


Yeah, the invader is quite possibly the worst pickup I've ever played. Awful. What the hell was seymour thinking? :lol:

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2006, 09:53:52 PM »
Not got them in yet - Waiting on the new pickguard so that they'll actually fit in the guitar...

However, they look very pretty and are nice and weighty.

Je suis regarder une emission sur les personnes anglais qui voyage a France et dois parler le langue tout les temps et ils trouvent ca tres dificile...C'est tres drole parce que ils ne parle pas le bon francais.

I know that was very off topic, but I was bored and wanted to talk french :P

I would try the el diablo if I lived nearer a decent guitar shop, or had the means to travel to one...I'm happy enough with the Screamer for now, especially for what I paid for it - May be getting it revalved soon as well :)
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 12:03:45 AM »
A Screamer takes some beating, maybe an SE or Invader would do it :)

3 more guitars in Texas to come over here = 3 more sets of BKP's (no more 'pigs though lol), OOH Engl+BKP= :twisted:, however Engl+BKP+HBE Screamer =AGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH  :twisted:  :twisted:
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 08:34:12 AM »
I think I agree with you there sir - the Screamer does take some beating, but an SE or Invader would likely do the job...If I ever had the cash, I'd probably have to buy one of those and use my screamer as a cab - as I'd never find the money for a cab as well :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 09:31:42 AM »
aye, the screamer's nice. I mean, you can get better amps, but they're quite a lot more cash (or else have very few features, maybe a lower wattage, for the same cash).

The genz benz el-diablo would be the main contender, I'd say, and the mesa f30 would be another choice (the ED is better though, in my opinion).

both are about £200 more, though.

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 06:20:56 PM »
I played an F-30 at LGS before buying the screamer during my period of deliberation, and decided that it had a great warm clean tone (different to Engl - more jazzy) but it was fairly shite at everything else in comparison to the Screamer...but I guess that's just my opinion :P
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