Speakers - Vintage 30, Classic Lead or G12H?

[_tom_]

another thing to remember is, eminences are rated quite highly compared to what they actually are- they use a different rating system to celestion.

for example, the emi version of a greenback (the private jack, as far as I'm aware) is rated at 50W, while the celesion version is 25 (or 20 for the heritage one).

Something like that. it's likely, in other words, that if the celestion g12H30 is rated "correctly" at 30 watts, that the legend might be more like 70 W, or conversely if the eminence is rated correctly at 100W, the g12H30 might be more like 50/60 watts  (all figures there entirely arbitrary and made up to give you an idea).

I think. From what I hear, anyway.

I understand what you mean. I'm not sure what do get as I was pretty much set on the G12H after realising hunter uses it (always love his tone!) and the Celestion soundclips, but now I hear about the Weber!

James I was thinking about the G12T-75s but after hearing fps_deans clips I didnt like the sound at all, not very middy and a bit boring sounding to me.

[dave_mc]

I'll be emailing weber soon (needless to say, his website has decided to go down at the EXACT moment that I want to email, despite me never needing to email before...   ), if you remind me, I'll let you know how much postage is, and the expected amount of customs. Just in case postage is like £30 or something daft, which'd be 2/3 of the way to getting a classic series celestion.

:drink:

[_tom_]

I did consider a Weber speaker but I dont really like the idea of overseas shipping, especially with a heavy item such as a speaker. I'm probably gonna go with either the G12H or the Wizard.

Although at the place we have band practise, theres a Marshall JCM900 4x12, any ideas what speakers they have in? I'll try that first to see what my Laney sounds like through that.

[Muttley]

I recently replaced all 4 G12H's in my 4x12 with V30s.  All I can say is that these made a huge difference to my sound.  I now have more bite than I can shake a stick at, and the sound is less muddy/boomy overall.

I like 'em.  :)

[_tom_]

You got any of those G12Hs for sale by any chance? :P

Would you say the clip I linked to in the first post is a good representation of the V30s in a british-voiced context? Twinfan seems to think so, I just want as many opinions as possible!

[Twinfan]

Although at the place we have band practise, theres a Marshall JCM900 4x12, any ideas what speakers they have in? I'll try that first to see what my Laney sounds like through that.

I reckon it'd be G12-75Ts.  They don't have the character of the V30s, they just let the amp tone come through.  They're not bland, just transparent.

[Fourth Feline]

not enough people like the G12T-75, i think it's the best speaker for rock, followed by the V30..

I have a 2x12 with 75's and they rock, although i'll be getting a Splawn X Pattern Loaded Cab w/Red Coats later on this year.. muhhahaha

Yes, I have four  GT 12-75 speakers in a closed back 'Matamp' cab, and the Bass response knocks your legs from under you , Overall very 'big' sounding.  

As my cab was already fitted with the 12-75s, I am unaware of how other Celestions would sound in it though.

ceratinly the power rating of 75 Watts RMS (each) meant I had no fear in driving them hard when I had to.

Thanks for the confirmation James ! :D

[dave_mc]

Would you say the clip I linked to in the first post is a good representation of the V30s in a british-voiced context? Twinfan seems to think so, I just want as many opinions as possible!

possibly. is that a different clip to the other one you had up? wasn't the other clip you posted (maybe another thread) a laney clip?

there's a definite push or grunt to the mids which I think is quite characteristic of the v30's that you can hear in that clip- quite aggressive.

and dodgy WASP clip- awesome!

\m/ :twisted: \m/

[_tom_]

Would you say the clip I linked to in the first post is a good representation of the V30s in a british-voiced context? Twinfan seems to think so, I just want as many opinions as possible!

possibly. is that a different clip to the other one you had up? wasn't the other clip you posted (maybe another thread) a laney clip?

there's a definite push or grunt to the mids which I think is quite characteristic of the v30's that you can hear in that clip- quite aggressive.

and dodgy WASP clip- awesome!

\m/ :twisted: \m/

Sorry yeah, its the WASP clip in my first post in this thread. I love the tone in that clip but the Laney is allready quite agressive through my current cab.. so hard to choose speakers I just wanna give up hahaha

The thing that now worries the most about V30s is that I read in a HC review they are no good for front mounting, which my cab is. Also the top bit of my cab is angled which lets you hear more highs if that makes any difference..

[dave_mc]

i think mine's rear mounted, but engl front load their v30's into their own cabs... no idea, to be honest.

another thing is, that really aggressive mid push is most obvious at extremely loud volume. i.e. cranked to 10.

[_tom_]

Well I never get to crank to 10, the most I think I'll ever need to go on the master with the laney is 4-5 which is still bloody loud.

On the TDPRI forum, I posted asking about the G12H vs the Wizard and someone who has used both says:

"Well, this is all subjective and opinion....BUT, I'd get the Wizard any and every day over the G12H. And I've loved the G12H's for many years, but Eminence has improved on the concept in my opinion.

The Wizard is a very versatile speaker and perfect for the AC/DC crunch you're looking for. Nice lows like the Celestions, but better articulation and overall tone. Very thick. Very loud. I heard/played through one in an 18watt Marshall combo clone and the tone was amazing. I'll say again...loud. Sounded like 2 12's and not boxy at all like a 1X12 can sound.

Yes, I would definitely say the highs are rolled off....especially compared to an "American" styled speaker or even the British Celestion Blue model. Great mids...really substantial lows, but not muddy. Sounds big. When I was trying to decide on a speaker for my cab, EarCandy described the Red Fang as Cream/early Brit tone and the Wizard as AC/DC type. Since I already had the Legend GB128 they suggested the Red Fang for some balance and upper end chime....said the Wizard would be very similar to the Legend."

Sounds good to me. Now the main thing that I'm concerned about is the volume, loads of reviews say it is very loud, which would mean even more attenuation :( Theres a link someone else posted comparing the two but I'm still awaiting activation to access the forum - http://www.18watt.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=12908

[steve]

G12H gets my vote.

[Muttley]

You got any of those G12Hs for sale by any chance? :P

Would you say the clip I linked to in the first post is a good representation of the V30s in a british-voiced context? Twinfan seems to think so, I just want as many opinions as possible!

Yeah, that definitely sounds in the ball-park of my sound.  Probably a little bit more gain than I use usually though.

Oh, and I friggin' love W.A.S.P.  :D  \m/

I made a boo-boo though.  They were G12T-75s I took out of my 1960a cab.  Not sure what the difference is between those and the G12Hs.

Muttley

[_tom_]

hahah me too, WASP are awesome even if all their songs seem to sound the same :P

I'll have to try out the Marshall cab at the band practise room to see if I like those G12T-75s if thats even what its got.

btw, when people say the V30 has a large mid spike, is that like having all the mid sliders on a graphic eq boosted? Because I hate that tone, it sounds too nasal and weird.


edit - found some comparison clips on the Pro-Guitar site. Think I prefer the G12H to the V30.

Another thing I thought about, was getting the V30 just to try in the top position, then if I dont like it I can put it in the bottom position where it may sound better then buy a G12H or something for the top position in my cab.. I also forgot about the bloody Eminence Governor!! Sometimes I hate having so much choice :lol:

[mikeluke]

Eminence The Wizard

I've stuck one in my Peavey Classic 30 instead of the standard speaker (Blue Marvel) and it is excellent! Would recommend checking one out if you can.

Mike