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Joe Dorcia

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2006, 06:00:45 PM »
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As an aside, isn't it amazing that for acoustics and archtops spruce is one of the tone woods, and for solids it wouldn't even be considered.

Rob...

yeah why is that? i'd like to ehar a solid-body spruce guitar.


This is because spruce is a softwood (and that doesnt neccerserily mean they are soft eg Balsa wood is a hardwood), and acoustically spruce will be duller than a standard hardwood on an electric, it would absorb huge amounts of tone with it being so thick (on acoustics it is rarely over 2.7mm and vibrates like a speaker cone so it is completely different).

Saying this, warmoth do Sitka Spruce tops, this is harder than normal European spruce but is no wear near as hard as most woods use on electrics. As hard woods go ash is soft ish, and sitka is softer than ash.

if i'm wrong let me know.

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2006, 06:08:15 PM »
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Brook guitars i'm not too keen on, a bit harsh for my ears


Harsh!?!? Have you taken leave of your senses, man? :wink:

I haven't played a Fylde or heard one in the flesh, but I get the impression I'd like them a lot.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2006, 06:09:04 PM »
I need to pop up again, SORRY! LOL  :lol:

The difference between cheap and expensicve acoustics is the standard or manufacture you cant see, the quality control and the wood used.

Companies can throw a guitar together and make it look and play well, easy same as any electric, but internally the amount of tonal work that goes into a top and its bracing is far from anything satifactory. There will be little quality control internally where it counts and the wood will be inferior to that used by more expensive (but not rip-off) manufacturers.

If you ever look into acoustics then see the amount of work and judgement by the builder when the top and bracing are being constructed. Here are my three I have built, a mandolin, a Shallow jumbo and a Tenor guitar. The two guitars sound superb (thanks to my tutors help), if you have any q's just ask

http://www.fortyseconds.co.uk/montage.jpg

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2006, 06:16:07 PM »
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[Hmm... Not sure I agree with this. With most guitars I find that with increasing price you get better playability, sound and overall "feel", it's just that you have the law of diminishing returns - at the really expensive end of the spectrum you're paying a lot for a small increase in quality.

Cheaper acoustics improve over time too. I had a Seagull SM6 (about £350) that just got better and better. I think anything with a solid spruce top will mature.


Hence the word 'often' :) Iv'e never owned a worthwhile acoustic but I have played a few. More expensive the better it plays (usually). Same as processor speeds, playing 50% extra for a 5% speed increase.

These days cheaper acoustics can be called good (I'm old bitter and twisted). I think there has been more progress in the construction of acoustics over the last 20 years than there has in electrics. Happily this progress can be used for the more wallet friendly market. Not so long ago you had to pay a lot for a non laminate top (that wasn't overly thick)

Joe,
I bow to your superior knowledge of what happens to the wood over time. I remember laughing (in the 80s) at the theory that the electro magnet currents generated by vibrating strings modified the structure of the spruce tops (I will try looking for that magazine article). It just facinates that a piece of thin spruce has the right charictaristics when a larger piece is just so far wrong.

As for a spruce solidbody I don't think you would like to try it at all, or fot that matter MDF, blockboard, chipboard or potato ;)

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2006, 06:24:50 PM »
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As for a spruce solidbody I don't think you would like to try it at all, or fot that matter MDF, blockboard, chipboard or potato Wink

Rob...

HAHAHA! Chipboard, we're into BC rich country now, lol.

All should bow to my superior wood knowlegde! Hmmm, a german porno?

Anyhoo, I have spoken too much already so I have to go finish my assignment about..... WOOD! lol, oh god, i just love the stuff

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2006, 06:40:38 PM »
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As for a spruce solidbody I don't think you would like to try it at all, or fot that matter MDF, blockboard, chipboard or potato ;)

Rob...

don't knock potato guitars until you've tried 'em. King edwards have a gorgeous, powerful low end, although Maris Pipers are a bit trebly.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2006, 06:55:35 PM »
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don't knock potato guitars until you've tried 'em. King edwards have a gorgeous, powerful low end, although Maris Pipers are a bit trebly.


Hey Gallaghers strat was known as the tatocaster (probably because you could have planted spuds in the blemishes)

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2006, 09:03:34 PM »
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don't knock potato guitars until you've tried 'em. King edwards have a gorgeous, powerful low end, although Maris Pipers are a bit trebly.


Hey Gallaghers strat was known as the tatocaster (probably because you could have planted spuds in the blemishes)

Rob...


Thats true, but the tatocaster was made out of good wood :)
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2006, 09:09:30 PM »
Those are some deeply nice looking guitars, Joe!
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2006, 10:39:12 PM »
feckin ell i've started summat here int i??

i only picked the guitar because it was pretty and sounded good :D
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2006, 10:41:40 PM »
Thanks froglord... which i suspect is your name from birth... i just finished a 52 tele replica for my dad, far from accurate when you look closer but it sounds stunning with the Piledrivers tim sent me. If you like my acoustics, you should see the next one, its a prototype with crazy everything, the link below is my rossette before cutting the soundhole, that was fun to cut the points by hand :lol:

http://www.fortyseconds.co.uk/rossette.jpg

Nice

And this is the guitar i made for my bro (playing it), tis loaded with a boss neck, irish tour (Bridge) Middle, and MQ bridge, sounds stunning

http://www.fortyseconds.co.uk/project4.jpg

Joe
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