The return of JACK,THE RIPPER?

[jt]

:D Phily Q beat me to it !

When i talk about Daily Mail i don't mean it in reference to either Right wing or Left wing. Your Right 38th about the mirror or the sun but lets be fare here neither of `em are Newspapers. Gossip trash rags maybe but there`s no news in either of them. I used to buy The Mirror only for the football gossip but gave it up after a month as all the gossip was utter rubbish.

Whats interesting about this thread is that most of us "oldens" have had very different life experiences. We`ve come from different backgrounds & yet we all seem to be in agreement that the state of play in politics is truly awful. Bad governments decade after decade have utterly & contempt ably failed us all. My personnal views can be quite extreme but this is due to my sense of fairness & justice. I believe that a good wage coupled with a cheap & affordable cost of living will lead to a more stable society & in that we all have a stake. But as Philly Q said it would mean politicians actually running the country for the benefit of the majority & not the small select privileged few.

 :D  8)

[dave_mc]

There is a lot here about Daily Mail readers which I find  to be a rather facile thing to say(sorry guys).For non UK readers, the  Daily Mail is considered a right wing extremist newspaper and certainly it is a traditional Conservative supporting paper but  I think this  trivialises things.I do not think there is a "right wing" or , for that matter "left wing" thing going on anymore because there is a kind of vacuum where the main parties will adopt any philosophy that they think will get them elected givebn that there is a disillusioned electorate sleepwalking into dictatorship. The Daily Mirror is traditionally Labour supporting newspaper but no-one seems to slag it off.-it is, therefore, seemingly perfectly OK to be left wing. A minor point I would like to make is that a "right wing" fanatic was responsible for a great deal of persecution and murder in the 20th century. His efforts, however ( and if I have to spell it out, I am talking of Hitler) are dwarfed by a "left wing" butcher (Stalin). So maybe we should lose the labels eh ? We have all drifted from topic a tad ( me included).I would just hope that the murders stop and whoever is responsible is brought to "justice" whatever that is.

i was under the impression that the daily mirror was so cr@p it didn't even need to be slagged off... ;)

agreed about the switching allegiances to get elected. blair basically became a tory to get elected, and now cameron is trying to become an honorary labour politician to get elected. it's great when your (prospective) leaders are such principled folks, isn't it?

[Ratrod]

It looks like some good has come out of all this drama.

I read today that the 'British public' is seeing prostitutes as human beings again.

[38thBeatle]

Depends on where you read it Ratty, some of us never stopped seeing them as human.If you read it in a newspaper, particularly a British one, then see points above. I do hope that they (the police) get it right and that the right man is charged convicted and imprisoned. the police are great for the big cases but are totally useless for everyday crime.

[Fubar]

agreed about the switching allegiances to get elected. blair basically became a tory to get elected, and now cameron is trying to become an honorary labour politician to get elected. it's great when your (prospective) leaders are such principled folks, isn't it?

This is essentialy my problem with politicians nowadays. They will say anything to get into power, it is no longer about having any kind of political beliefs it is more about either obtaining power to feed the ego or getting themselves in a position to take advantage of the "consultant" etc. type posts offered to them by major corporations with huge salaries once their political lives have ended. Once in power they will then come out with policies solely to appease the general concensus of the population who are severely misinformed by a press owned and influenced by only a couple of people. The average person in this country has no clue as to what is actually neccesary to make everything work, in a "true" democracy it would completely implode within days!

With regards to what Jonathon was saying about the heroin users and prison situation. The problem wasn't so much about being made to come off heroin per se, it was actually about the fact that they were undergoing medical treatment for their addictions which was then withheld from them whilst they were in prison. This is both unethical and illegal, they also actually only got tiny sums of compensation for this, the overall figure was shouted about a lot but was actually shared by hundreds of people.

Just my two pennorth!  :)


*Soapbox collapses under strain of supporting 18 stone for too long*

[dave_mc]

It looks like some good has come out of all this drama.

I read today that the 'British public' is seeing prostitutes as human beings again.

people were paying animals for sex?

or have i misunderstood?

[Ratrod]

I read it in a Dutch newspaper. It seemed that prior to this Ipswich thing no-one seemed to care about prostitutes' well being and safety.

[Johnny Mac]

It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"

Somebody take away my soapbox please..........

*Yoinks away soapbox*

I've been told that about rolling backy before, roll ups really upset my chest whereas readymade fags don't. Go figure!

Use swan filter tips. Tailor made cigs have over 500 chemicals added to them to make them more addictive and stay alight.

[Johnny Mac]

I read it in a Dutch newspaper. It seemed that prior to this Ipswich thing no-one seemed to care about prostitutes' well being and safety.

Ah I see the sopabox is doing the rounds, well here's my bit!

Well it's a sad thing ratty but this country is full of people who care about no one but themselves let alone the poor souls who are reduced to sell themselves on the streets. Some care but not enough. If more of an effort was put into stopping the tide of heroin arriving here then these girls wouldn't have to do this sort of thing or teenagers committing crimes to pay for their habits. There are areas near where i live where dealers openly sell the stuff in their shops! There is a lot of violence that is generated by the gangs who sell this filth too. Our police who to their credit are doing all they can to get control back but are tied up with red tape and PC nonsense so the problem just gets worse. Where I grew up which wasn't that bad, is now anarchic for want of a better term for it as dealers know they can get away with it.

[Ratrod]

Our countries aren't that different from eachother, I guess. :(

Luckily there's still good people around.