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Afghan Dave

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NO2ID: stop ID cards and the database state
« on: December 21, 2006, 06:42:25 PM »


Hi all,

I've been watching your comments on the "Jack the ripper" thread and I thought that you might be interested and have some thoughts or questions regarding my latest project.

I've just been put in charge of the marketing and communications efforts for the NO2ID campaign.

This is a cause that I feel constitutes one of the LAST battlegrounds for defending the civil liberties we enjoy in the UK. (Americans and EU members don't believe this doesn't concern you - Britain is a test case - YOU WILL BE NEXT)

Over the next few months the UK Govt will be rolling out the National Identity Register which will bring your every move into the political sphere of influence.

It WILL NOT defeat terrorists or identity fraud but IT WILL make your life, your finances and your medical records the business of unelected civil servants and database administrators.

I hope you take the time to visit the campaign site http://www.no2id.com and although it may at the moment seem very wordy and intellectual - please just have a look and consider how this is system is going to impact on you.

I know there are a number of young guys on this board and if you apply for a first time passport you may be called for interview/interrogation as of March 2007 - The rest of us have till 2008.

If you disagree with this fundamental change in your freedom we can still stop it.


I look forward to hearing your views.
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maliciousteve

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NO2ID: stop ID cards and the database state
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 06:52:32 PM »
I don't like the idea of a random person being able to look at files of what I buy, look like, live, work and where I travel. It's like i'm constantly being watched and kept eye on. I have nothing to hide but I want to be able to live my life without that.

I also hear that these cards are going to be easier to f*ck with than chip and pin cards.
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Afghan Dave

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 07:01:15 PM »
The cards are really only a "straw man" for distracting from the real issue - the National Identity Register.

Many countries have simple ID cards and as such they are not the threat that should scare law abiding citizens.

The National Identity Register is the hidden motivation behind all the Govt plans and the more people like yourselves hear about it, the more they object.
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NO2ID: stop ID cards and the database state
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 07:02:21 PM »
I am with you on this Dave. I have been banging on about this for ages.
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Afghan Dave

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 07:13:31 PM »
Great to hear 38th. Keep banging on about it!

We CAN stop this from happening... With any luck you should see NO2ID on the news/in the papers ASAP.

Anything that we can do will be useless without YOUR support!
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maliciousteve

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 07:16:37 PM »
I've registered  :D
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Afghan Dave

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 07:26:16 PM »
Just to show that great heavy metal isn't "all that far" from potential reality these lyrics just about hit the nail on the head...

You think youve private lives
Think nothing of the kind
There is no true escape
Im watching all the time....

Always in focus
You cant feel my stare
I zoom into you
You dont know Im there

I take a pride in probing all your secret moves
My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove....

I feed upon your every thought
And so my power grows....
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NO2ID: stop ID cards and the database state
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2006, 08:08:08 PM »
Quote from: Afghan Dave
Just to show that great heavy metal isn't "all that far" from potential reality these lyrics just about hit the nail on the head...

You think youve private lives
Think nothing of the kind
There is no true escape
Im watching all the time....

Always in focus
You cant feel my stare
I zoom into you
You dont know Im there

I take a pride in probing all your secret moves
My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove....

I feed upon your every thought
And so my power grows....


Electric Eye ......Judas priest!!

The ID cards and register can make it easier for some to steal your identity (if they have the technology)

Starting to sound like Orwells "1984"
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Afghan Dave

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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2006, 08:13:38 PM »
Sadly it could start in March 07...

You need to know that it doesn't have to!

If anybody needs any more information just post or PM me and I will do my best to help.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2006, 08:59:25 PM »
i too have been talking about this, my mother in particular is all for id cards, cctv and anything else.  she has totally swallowed the "if you have nothing to hide..." spiel.  big brother is already here, and is using fear and intimidation to worm his way further and further into all our lives.

it's not, for example, in the government's interests to stamp out crime or terrorism, as both are great excuses for every new infringement on our civil liberties.

ironic though that you have to givr your name and address to register your protest against it :roll:
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2006, 10:10:27 PM »
i read an article in an old issue of Autocar (2003?) about ID type stuff.

Councils and companies used GPS locators in vehicles sat navs to track their staff!! Resulted in sackings, speeding fines, even a marriage breakup (naughty wife visiting her lover instead of working)

Also turns out that alot of cars (especially press ones) come with built in GPS tracking, which monitors your speed and GPS co-ordinates and texts them to a database for the manufacturers to keep an eye on the car (and you)

That was before sat navs really took off....

Its all getting out of hand(well, governments are moving in to control us more).. next it will be "John Spartan you have been fined 5 credits for section 12 violation" everytime you call someone a shitebag! :(
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2006, 10:53:09 PM »
:D Yep i`m another thats opposed to the id card.

There going to be very easy to copy & fraud. Since they`ve inforced chip & pin credit/debit card fraud has trebled ! How ? they told us it would make cards harder to fraud !

 :D  8)
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2006, 11:24:29 PM »
I find it a very emotive and important subject and if this was not a guitar pickup forum I would rant for hours upon unelected organisations having way too much control over their subjects. Ruling by real or exagerated fears is a very important subject and people need to think and take heed. Use your vote whilst you still can, in a very short time, voting in the UK and other European countries will cease to matter.
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2006, 12:44:50 AM »
Very glad to see all the comments here are anti-ID cards.  Makes a change for us all to agree on something.

Quite apart from the obvious civil liberties issues which have already been mentioned, I find the claims about prevention of terrorism and identity theft totally specious and patronising.  It reminds me of those un-skippable anti-piracy ads on (legitimately-bought!) DVDs - "DVD piracy is funding drug dealing and terrorism".  Yeah right.  Frighten us into submission.

All of the July 7 bombers would, as far as I know, have qualified for legit British ID cards.  How exactly would ID cards have stopped them?

Another point which has always bothered me is that if you make ID cards compulsory, surely you must also make not carrying one some kind of offence?  So innocent citizens are "criminalised" and even more police time is wasted...
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2006, 09:55:17 AM »
I don't see the point in ID cards, simply because they will not achieve anything. People don't realise that we are already in a big brother society already.
Englands fu*ked anyway, just look at the state of affairs these days compared to how we used to be.

People need to think about global warming, in my opinion this is the most important thing happening at the moment yet it is amazing how oblivious most people are.
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