anyone heard of Bugera Amps?

[BloodMountain]

All the stuff coming out of china these days seems pretty decent, i can't see them being any worse than those valve kings.

you clearly havent played a madison  :roll:
they are scum of the earth, and i wouldnt be suprised if Bugera wasnt far off either.

how can you assume that?

oh, and my volume knob on my behringer isn't on a matchstick.... it's fairly weak, but you always have to be careful with any gear IMO.

my behringer stuff is fine. my little amp has lasted over 2 years, and my EQ pedal has no faults even after a month.

BM

[aisuru]

www.bugera-amps.com

as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.

wait wait wait...Behringer...and quality...in the same sentence!? All behringer stuff I have seen has been terrible quality and sound like garbage. which is why their pedals are half the price or less of what they are trying to copy

uh... yes. they DO have a reputation for good sound quality for the money.

but if you're going to base your opinion of a brand's entire range on some cheap effects pedals... then its' not really worth trying to convince you.

[BloodMountain]

www.bugera-amps.com

as far as i can tell, they're made by Behringer, who do high quality stuff, but at reasonable prices.

wait wait wait...Behringer...and quality...in the same sentence!? All behringer stuff I have seen has been terrible quality and sound like garbage. which is why their pedals are half the price or less of what they are trying to copy

uh... yes. they DO have a reputation for good sound quality for the money.

but if you're going to base your opinion of a brand's entire range on some cheap effects pedals... then its' not really worth trying to convince you.

+1

[the_bleeding]

how can you assume that?

oh, and my volume knob on my behringer isn't on a matchstick.... it's fairly weak, but you always have to be careful with any gear IMO.

my behringer stuff is fine. my little amp has lasted over 2 years, and my EQ pedal has no faults even after a month.

BM

i can assume that because my long experience with alot of chinese contructed gear, let alone behringer has been negative.  All of behringers shite that i've heard of or have tried has blown up, so i completely gave up on the company and their very inconsistent and unreliable contruction quality.  Maybe you just got lucky with your amp, and if your EQ pedal survives its first year of service, you will have gotten lucky with it too.  That still wont convince me when pitted against the numerous horror stories and bad reviews i've heard.  Another thing i noticed, a large number people who gave them good reviews on harmony central were very inexperienced with gear, with an average age of about 15.  
I'll stick to buying my gear above the budget category.

[BloodMountain]

yeah, i've hear the horror stories too..... that's why i'm probably not going to take any chances buying big Behringer gear, although i haven't heard anything bad about the GMX1200H head yet.....
i buy Behringer because i'm willing to take the risk because of the small prices on the small pieces of gear that i get interested in.... and there's such thing as returning stuff in this day and age too.
i'm looking for an amp at the moment, and i'm trying to stick with the big names..... although i don't like Marshalls because of their fizzy top end. urgh. Laneys have a smoother top end. lovely.
plus, both of those brands are usually consistent, and the build quality is great.

BM

[indysmith]

i don't like Marshalls because of their fizzy top end. urgh.

You're having a go at people for writing off Behringer after a lot of experience with the shitety quality of the products, and then you go and write off some of the VERY best amps in the world, of which there are many different types and catagories, and i SERIOUSLY doubt you have tried them all. In fact i doubt you've tried much above the MG line.

HYPOCRISY!

I'm starting to sound like Dakine :oops:

[BloodMountain]

i don't like Marshalls because of their fizzy top end. urgh.

You're having a go at people for writing off Behringer after a lot of experience with the shitety quality of the products, and then you go and write off some of the VERY best amps in the world, of which there are many different types and catagories, and i SERIOUSLY doubt you have tried them all. In fact i doubt you've tried much above the MG line.

HYPOCRISY!

I'm starting to sound like Dakine :oops:

dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers  :oops:
i haven't tried much above the MG line, only DSL and TSL which both seem to be the old Flagships, so i guessed they would all be like that..... which models dont????? i love the Marshall roar, but was put off by those models because of the fizz. i've heard also that Marshall were all about the fizz, and that was the point: fizzy distortion. apparently, anyway.
btw i'm quite young, i haven't had that much experience with gear. well, not as much as you guys anyway.
sorry.... don't banish me from the forum.....

[the_bleeding]

dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers  :oops:
i haven't tried much above the MG line, only DSL and TSL which both seem to be the old Flagships, so i guessed they would all be like that..... which models dont????? i love the Marshall roar, but was put off by those models because of the fizz. i've heard also that Marshall were all about the fizz, and that was the point: fizzy distortion. apparently, anyway.
btw i'm quite young, i haven't had that much experience with gear. well, not as much as you guys anyway.
sorry.... don't banish me from the forum.....

I have the 6100 (30th anniversary) which was the predecessor to the jcm2000 line, in my opinion, the true marshall flagship lol.  But yeah, i hate the fizzy distortion too, and marshalls have LOADS of fizz... but i got this puppy anyway.
I figure i can get rid of it by replacing the stock preamp tubes (yup, i have 14 year old preamptubes) with some sovtek 12ax7-LPS's, and open up its guts and replace some caps and resistors in between the preamp tubes... I might mod it to take 6550's, and make the lead channel sound like a sunn model T, and add some more gain and clarity to the crunch channels, and attempt to get some life out of the cleans... they sound so sad... i dont know if i'm guna mod it yet, it would feel kinda wrong to turn an out of production amp into a frankenstein.

[Mr Ed]

dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers  :oops:

On behalf of the Marshall community, I accept your apology. :D

*mounts JCM900*

[BloodMountain]

dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers  :oops:

On behalf of the Marshall community, I accept your apology. :D

*mounts JCM900*

ok.

i love the sound of the Kerry King signature Marshall..... are there any other Marshalls that sound better/the same as that in terms of voice?

thanks, BM

[Twinfan]

Err, the JCM800 reissue with a pedal up front?

Changing the valves can make a big difference to the fizzy tone you get.  Marshall don't put in top spec ones from new.

[Mr Ed]

dude, your probably right, i haven't tried enough..... sorry Marshall lovers  :oops:

On behalf of the Marshall community, I accept your apology. :D

*mounts JCM900*

ok.

i love the sound of the Kerry King signature Marshall..... are there any other Marshalls that sound better/the same as that in terms of voice?

thanks, BM

Yeah, as that guy said ^^^ it's basically a 2203 with a built in EQ for a mid-range hump and has a decent noise gate too.

[noodleplugerine]

The only high end Marshall's I've tried are a TSL and a Mode Four.

The TSL was "ok", but not amazing, and the Mode Four I really can't remember.

Anyway, like Bloodmountain I have this Marshall stereotype sound in my head from all the low end one's I've tried.

Somebody needs to enlighten me :<

[BloodMountain]

i watched that Kerry King signature head demo on the DVD.
that enlightened me like hell.
i just used my MG built in distortion and it sucks. however, i was able to remove the fizzy top end with my trusty EQ700. but it still sounded too weak and SS..... not really much warmth. plus, the level of feedback was huge! unwanted, uncontrollable feedback. i had to switch channels to escape it!

BM

[LazyNinja]

i watched that Kerry King signature head demo on the DVD.
that enlightened me like hell.
i just used my MG built in distortion and it sucks. however, i was able to remove the fizzy top end with my trusty EQ700. but it still sounded too weak and SS..... not really much warmth. plus, the level of feedback was huge! unwanted, uncontrollable feedback. i had to switch channels to escape it!

BM

Funny thing is I thought it sounded cr@p when Kerry King played it, but when Chris George played it I thought it was pretty good. Either way, that amp isnt really a typical Marshall sound by any means imo.