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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2007, 01:11:39 AM »
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I honestly couldn't give a cr@p how great the PS3 is.

In the end it has awful games, no exclusives and a price tag over the cost of a good guitar.


it has the same games as any PC out there, and the cost of a GOOD PC, that will run every game, is in the ballpark of a custom shop guitar.


For a start - No it doesn't.

And secondly - Every household has a computer regardless of whether they play games or not - Are you telling me it's between a computer and a PS3?

And that people prioritise gaming over say - The internet? Word Processing? Photo editting? Movie making? THE BKP FORUM?!

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You can either spend thousands on a top spec PC and enjoy cutting edge gaming as it happens, or by a console and enjoy it several months later, and to a lesser degree... for most people its a worthwhile trade off.


for a fraction of the price of a full fledged PC, not to mention it will run without the extensive hassle that you get with the PC.


for gaming, it's the best to buy a console, unless you are prepared to dish out a boat load of money, to make everything look SUPER.


with the PS3 it's like this.. they will start making games that will be tailored to the specs of the PS3.. as opposed to games being made for the PC, that always push the envelope and require a more and more powerful PC, as each new game is released. me, i can live without buying a new computer every 6 to 10 months, to play the newest games.
besides, computers require constant maintenance, unless you only do some internet and word processing with it.


Every 6-10 months? If that was true no top end game would hit the top 10 until 6 months after it was first released.

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so, the console gets my vote. and i was a long time PC supporter as far as graphics and performance go, but you got to take in account, at what price you get that. cos if you find a system for 600€, that will perform equally well, than the PS3 (for years to come) then PLEASE, tell me where i can find it.

and there is nother side to this arguement:
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As you say, specs mean nothing if the games aren't up to it.


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sharp graphics and eye candy mean nothing if the computer isnt up to it.


Ever heard of settings?


Now honestly.

Console fans - I'm honestly clueless here - Targetting the PS3/Xbox generation of games - Have there been ANY particularly great ones?

GTA was good - But I'll be frank. Boring. Fast. At least on the PC version you could mod in the Batmobile... (Aswell as actually having a mouse to aim...)

Halo? No thanks. Every PC shooter is better - Really.

The recent Final Fantasies? Perhaps - But not much of an FF fan so I can't comment here - Haven't played any of them all the way through either.


Metal Gear Solid 4 will kick majopr ass.

And resident evil 4 is far better on the gamecube and ps2 than on the pc.


Like 2 and 3 "kicked ass"?

And RE4 isn't that great a game on any medium to be frank. It was good - Not great.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2007, 01:22:49 AM »
Heh,

on the original posting as opposed to graphics / gameplay theme it has turned into ;)

Coming from low level programming (would be called kernel hacking these days) & hardware design background it always cheers me up to see shuch discussions.

Oops dissertation alert sorry folks

Clock speeds, bus bandwidth, number of cores or whatever count for nothing if theyre not used properly.

Take a look at, Linux, Windows or Mac OS X they are totally unable to make proper use of dual core procesors. For the most part they simply offload a single task completely to another core (or processor) such as antivirus, wordprocessor or a game, and leave the rest of the operating system running on the other core. Yeah you get a speed increase but it's not double. Getting interprocess communication (bad enough on a single processor) is more than doubly difficult with 2 processors.

The OS coders can't even cope with multiple processors, and having spent several years being called in to optimise game code that isn't running fast enough I can assure you that the vast majority of games coders wont be able to do it either. TBH many of them cant cope with one processor.

Gabe Newell (of Halflife developers Gearbox), sums up much of the PS3 situation where it looks nice until you try to use it. Search for his comments, yes he is opinionated but unfortunitely he knows what he is talking about

On so called (massively) parallel systems your main code is running across several cores (or processors), if your scheduling is just a little off, you will end up with most of the these tasks stalling becasue you are awaiting data from somewhere else). Multiply that across the several DSPs and processing chips on the PS3 and you get a product that if likely to be a victim of it's own complexity. You are already seeing such issues in the current crop of PS3 games

Google for Inmos Transputer to see the lengths you have to go to for parallel processing (and also see how the UK goverment screwed things up).

Yes the PS3 has a huge potential (as does the 360 BTW), however from friends that still work in the games industry the problem is that Sony give you the hardware but you are on your own in tying it all together.

Anyway I'd love a PS 3 (or a 360 or Wii) for my son (and myself) but I'm too skint ATM.

Regarding the PC,:
Consoles are more cost effective on the whole. But then on a PC (or Mac) you don't actually need antialising & filtering, as when I'm playing games I'm concentrating on not getting killed I don't care worry if theres a texture in the middle distance isn't perfect ;)
GFX cards are expensive as theyre doing a lot of parallel processing, at very high speeds. A while back I wrote some code for breaking some encryption using the GFX card rather than the normal PC processor. Using my cheap (120 quid) Geforce 4 card was about 10 times faster than my then employers fastest server (4 x 3Gig xenons).

Anyway I'm back to breaking Spectrum turbo loaders on a Spectrum emulator now (without using any of the emulators advanced features), becasue this (work) laptop is too slow for anything else (and I'm all maimed out)

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2007, 09:14:01 AM »
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And RE4 isn't that great a game on any medium to be frank. It was good - Not great.


that game is awesome.

and when it comes to halo.... yes... im sure every PC shooter is better...

but i dont think console games are even trying to be 'better' than any PC games... its a different concept altogether..

no matter how good a PC shooter is, you cant sit there playing it on a sofa with 3 mates, whilst exchanging insults with people from around the world on Xbox Live...

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2007, 09:45:19 AM »
Atari rules.

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2007, 01:50:31 PM »
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Console fans - I'm honestly clueless here - Targetting the PS3/Xbox generation of games - Have there been ANY particularly great ones?


Well... I liked Final Fantasy up to about 8. Chrono Trigger was fun.  NeoGeo/Saturn cover all the 2D Beat-em-ups and shoot-em-ups you could want.

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GTA was good - But I'll be frank. Boring. Fast. At least on the PC version you could mod in the Batmobile... (Aswell as actually having a mouse to aim...)


Never got into GTA, never played it for that matter...
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Halo? No thanks. Every PC shooter is better - Really.

Played Wolfenstein and Doom, then lost interest...

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The recent Final Fantasies? Perhaps - But not much of an FF fan so I can't comment here - Haven't played any of them all the way through either.


Too much Real Time stuff in 12 and 13 promises to be even more so...

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2007, 03:19:14 PM »
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Console fans - I'm honestly clueless here - Targetting the PS3/Xbox generation of games - Have there been ANY particularly great ones?


Well... I liked Final Fantasy up to about 8. Chrono Trigger was fun.  NeoGeo/Saturn cover all the 2D Beat-em-ups and shoot-em-ups you could want.

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GTA was good - But I'll be frank. Boring. Fast. At least on the PC version you could mod in the Batmobile... (Aswell as actually having a mouse to aim...)


Never got into GTA, never played it for that matter...
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Halo? No thanks. Every PC shooter is better - Really.

Played Wolfenstein and Doom, then lost interest...

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The recent Final Fantasies? Perhaps - But not much of an FF fan so I can't comment here - Haven't played any of them all the way through either.


Too much Real Time stuff in 12 and 13 promises to be even more so...


it isnt really real time

it just integrates rather than switching toa  battle field. the only thing that is different really is the fact you can run around. it is still all time based.

And WOW someone other than me who likes the sega saturn

and to noodle

MGS3 was amazing.

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2007, 03:55:26 PM »
FF12 is awesome and it's exclusive to PS2. FF13 will be exclusive to PS3. If there was a reason for me to buy PS3 that will be it  :D

Next console would probably be wii though I really wanna play the new Zelda. the boxing on the wii sport is supposed to be a lot of primitive fun as well.

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2007, 04:24:17 PM »
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my point is, you get no hassle with finding the right settings at which the game will run smoothly and still look great on the PC. because no matter how good the gameplay is, if the game looks like shite, noone will play it. and if i want the most out of the game, i need a monster computer.

sure, they will run decently on a medium system, but what about the next generation of games? i can play HL2 on 1600x1200 on my laptop without a problem.. i try that with fear, my computer cr@ps its guts. i cant even play NWN2 on the computer cos of the inferior specs. every time something new comes out, you got to upgrade. i'm sorry but I won't play that game anymore. cos of that i havent been following new releases at all, cos i dont want to wonder if the game will run on my computer. with a console you're at least sure it will run.

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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2007, 04:35:49 PM »
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my point is, you get no hassle with finding the right settings at which the game will run smoothly and still look great on the PC. because no matter how good the gameplay is, if the game looks like shitee, noone will play it. and if i want the most out of the game, i need a monster computer.

sure, they will run decently on a medium system, but what about the next generation of games? i can play HL2 on 1600x1200 on my laptop without a problem.. i try that with fear, my computer cr@ps its guts. i cant even play NWN2 on the computer cos of the inferior specs. every time something new comes out, you got to upgrade. i'm sorry but I won't play that game anymore. cos of that i havent been following new releases at all, cos i dont want to wonder if the game will run on my computer. with a console you're at least sure it will run.


I built my computer in christmas 05, and I still play C&C3, Stalker, etc on full graphics - So honestly I don't see your point.

And surely the fact that consoles don't have upgrading hardware is a weakness?

PS3 games will reach a peak this time next year and will look the same for the following 5 years untill they release the next one.

In the end money is totally irrelevent, since you can spend however much or however little in gaming as you want. Nobody's forcing you to upgrade your computer, infact the opposite, game designers are making it so their games can be played on low spec computers - Why? So more people can buy them.

Anyway - If you do feel you're forced to buy the latest hardware - You can buy an X1950 PRO for under £100 currently - Which is a slightly lower spec version of the 2nd best chipset currently on the market - While being able to get an 8800 for £170.
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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 05:32:12 PM »
you should all bury yourselves in your 30th century technology and go back to PS1... Metal Gear Solid 1!!!!! great game, with an even better soundtrack  :twisted: has a cool storyline
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2007, 05:46:28 PM »
argue all you want, it makes no difference.


i'll buy a PS3 now and play games, that will still look great 3 years from now, while you'll have to buy a new computer, to play the next generation of games.

have you seen new games that are run on low spec computers? they look like they've been made in '98.


besides.. the fact that you dont have to hassle around with drivers, this or that incompatibility, too low graphics card specs or whatever (not to mention games crashing without any reason) is good enough for me.

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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2007, 05:50:53 PM »
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you should all bury yourselves in your 30th century technology and go back to PS1... Metal Gear Solid 1!!!!! great game, with an even better soundtrack  :twisted: has a cool storyline


true metal gear solid was amazing

twin snakes on GC made it better though

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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2007, 05:52:06 PM »
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argue all you want, it makes no difference.


i'll buy a PS3 now and play games, that will still look great 3 years from now, while you'll have to buy a new computer, to play the next generation of games.

have you seen new games that are run on low spec computers? they look like they've been made in '98.


besides.. the fact that you dont have to hassle around with drivers, this or that incompatibility, too low graphics card specs or whatever (not to mention games crashing without any reason) is good enough for me.


I'll keep my current PC which I use everyday for EVERYTHING, I'll play today's games at graphics as good as PS3, and then in a few years I'll upgrade and play games that are much better graphics than PS3.

And I won't have problems with drivers cos I know wtf I'm doing.

And my PC which never crashes will live on. While the PS3 which crashes repeatedly since release will continue to do so.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2007, 06:10:26 PM »
whatever makes you sleep at night ...

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2007, 06:19:32 PM »
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you should all bury yourselves in your 30th century technology and go back to PS1... Metal Gear Solid 1!!!!! great game, with an even better soundtrack  :twisted: has a cool storyline


true metal gear solid was amazing

twin snakes on GC made it better though



very true. MGS was the best game ever. The gamecube one was stunning, tbh Konami should remake them all and bring them out all with Next Gen or graphics. That would make my life complete. all the original Metal Gears in good graphics, great sound etc etc..

We can always dream....


On the PC thing. My pc is only a 1.8ghz sempron with a 6600GT and 1gig of Ram... I can run the newest Battlefield on Full spec at 1600x1200 no problem. Although i will upgrade the processor soon
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