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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2007, 04:41:18 PM »
well said Philly.

thats something i always get thrown at me...

but exactly- Man U have stupid amounts of money too...


again, with buying titles...

you won the premiership... so obviously buying titles isnt as easy as you make out to be...

loads of clubs are starting to get bought by mega-rich people now anyway... chelsea wont be the only club with a seemingly unlimited amount of money, (not that they are really anyway)...


Kalou was through on goal and took a shot that went pretty near Van Der Sar's left post... should have been in really, and Van Der Sar was beaten in my opinion...

and anyway- i dont think you were watching the same bloody game... your making it out to be as if chelsea were withstanding pressure from Man UTD all game... which was obviously NOT the case...

either way.. winning a football match isnt all about 'being offensive'... chelsea played the same tactics and style as we've done pretty much all season... and it paid off on the day.


and once again i'll raise the point- you might have had (marginally) more chances... but you didnt TAKE those chances... so regardless of whether you had more shots on goal or whatever... we had a clear cut chance, which we took... and won...


as i said before, and as someone else mentioned... i dont think either team 'deserved' to win... it was close-cut... could have gone either way... fortunately it went ours...

oh and Kalou's scored 10 goals this season if im not mistaken...

not exactly shitee in my books.

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2007, 04:48:19 PM »
i think tha football is just a hell of a lot of money for nothing, that could be used for something better, like famine, poverty, or some shite like that
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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2007, 04:50:59 PM »
^yer exactly. its ridiculous really.

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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2007, 05:45:06 PM »
Frankly - Footballers seriously confuse me.

The amount they get paid - They shouldn't be able to miss the goal.

Look at professional pianists for example - Paid much less yet they couldn't miss a note if they tried - And although this is an extremely weak comparison , a piano key is alot smaller a target than a Football goal.

Conclusion - Footballers clearly aren't being paid enough - If they were paid more they would obviously train more, amirite?
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2007, 05:48:04 PM »
:lol: interesting analogy...

thing is... there isnt 100 yards and 11 men between the pianist's finger and the key...  :lol:

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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2007, 08:35:10 PM »
It all scales though doesn't it :p

His foot, ball, and goal are alot bigger too :p
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2007, 10:59:16 PM »
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well said Philly.

thats something i always get thrown at me...

but exactly- Man U have stupid amounts of money too...


again, with buying titles...

you won the premiership... so obviously buying titles isnt as easy as you make out to be...

loads of clubs are starting to get bought by mega-rich people now anyway... chelsea wont be the only club with a seemingly unlimited amount of money, (not that they are really anyway)...


Kalou was through on goal and took a shot that went pretty near Van Der Sar's left post... should have been in really, and Van Der Sar was beaten in my opinion...

and anyway- i dont think you were watching the same bloody game... your making it out to be as if chelsea were withstanding pressure from Man UTD all game... which was obviously NOT the case...

either way.. winning a football match isnt all about 'being offensive'... chelsea played the same tactics and style as we've done pretty much all season... and it paid off on the day.


and once again i'll raise the point- you might have had (marginally) more chances... but you didnt TAKE those chances... so regardless of whether you had more shots on goal or whatever... we had a clear cut chance, which we took... and won...


as i said before, and as someone else mentioned... i dont think either team 'deserved' to win... it was close-cut... could have gone either way... fortunately it went ours...

oh and Kalou's scored 10 goals this season if im not mistaken...

not exactly shitee in my books.


Van Der Sar had that covered all the way it was miles off.

And if you watch match of the day i think you'll find that the people on there agree with me saying Chelsea have had a cr@p season considering the money they have and cr@p January signings (which includes Kalou).

The game was shite yes and nobody deserved to win.

Onto Philly Q, i think you will find that when we had Van Nistlerooy and Veron we wern't owned by a Billionaire and we didn't pay stupid prices for players then like Shevchenko which is the highest price ever paid for a footballer. We pay sensible prices for the majority of our players.
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« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2007, 11:01:08 PM »
what will happen to the blue boys when Abramovic loses interest - will Ken Bates buy them back to factor his debts like he did with Leeds?  Are Chelsea another Blackburn - a club with a big capricious cheque book behind it but no youth programme or history to build for the future.  As much as I hate Scum Utd most of their success over the past 15 years came from their youth programme, not flashy cash.

and the FA cup is not what it used to be - just another shitee trophy in a seemingly endless battle between 4 clubs.
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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2007, 12:12:50 AM »
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Van Der Sar had that covered all the way it was miles off.

And if you watch match of the day i think you'll find that the people on there agree with me saying Chelsea have had a cr@p season considering the money they have and cr@p January signings (which includes Kalou).

The game was shitee yes and nobody deserved to win.

Onto Philly Q, i think you will find that when we had Van Nistlerooy and Veron we wern't owned by a Billionaire and we didn't pay stupid prices for players then like Shevchenko which is the highest price ever paid for a footballer. We pay sensible prices for the majority of our players.


well firsly, i dont think people should base their opinions solely off match of the day.. or any one single source of information at all for that matter.

secondly, its not a cr@p season "considering the money they have"... otherwise theyd have said that about us every year unless we won every single trophy possible (going by your suggestions of how much money we have).

i would agree- we made bad signings, and could have done better had they been more wise. but 2nd in the league, and winners of both main domestic cups... i dont care what anyone says; thats not cr@p regardless of how much money a team has.

and once again, even if we're going off match of the day here, i dont recall Kalou ever once being mentioned as a bad signing. As i said- 10 goals... 10 goals off about a third of the number of league performances drogba has had... seems pretty damn good to me actually.

schevchenko- really hasnt settled too well... but still, 15 goals i think it is.

thats pretty good going for someone who has had a bad season.

and if you were really paying attention to Match of the Day, you would have noticed Alan Hansen's words on how Drogba is a great example of giving players time to settle and adapt to the premiership. I bet you were among the many (including myself!) who slated Drogba in previous seasons for not being worth the £25 million we paid... now look where he is? top scorer of the premiership.

if he's still here next season (schevchenko) i think there'll be a noticable improvement and the signing will be worth while.

oh and your point about you paying sensible prices for players... i personally dont think any figure in millions is a suitable price for a football player, its ridiculous as i said before...  once you get into that sort of figures of money its all in the same ballpark really... money can only buy you so much in terms of a player...

look at Real Madrid for another example of how money doesnt always guarantee success... think of the cash thats been thrown at that club over time.

also, for an example of how to make a GOOD point- look at Elliots post above.

that is something that seriously worries me. the reality is, that we WILL fall from grace due to Abramovic leaving or just losing interest to some degree, sooner or later. but then again its impossible for a team to stay top of the pile, undisputed, FOREVER....


also one final point- Elliot.. whilst i would agree that Man UTD's academy/youth system has helped them considerably, i wouldnt necessarily say its been the cause of MOST of their success... they have had their share of flashy cash too... but definitely point taken. and thats another thing that worries me about us- i hope the board have the sense to invest time and money properly in our youth systems.

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« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2007, 01:22:53 AM »
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Onto Philly Q, i think you will find that when we had Van Nistlerooy and Veron we wern't owned by a Billionaire and we didn't pay stupid prices for players then like Shevchenko which is the highest price ever paid for a footballer. We pay sensible prices for the majority of our players.

I'm bored of the debate TBH, but just on this money point:

Van Nistelrooy £19 million (British transfer record at the time)
Veron £28 million (another British transfer record at the time.  Sold for £15m, that was a good bit of business)
Rooney £23 million (possibly rising to £31 million, depending on results and appearances)

You might argue that 2 of those were money well spent, but so, it turns out, was the £24m for Drogba.  This picture of Man U as a thrifty little club just doesn't wash.  Why the chip on the shoulder?  You're not Millwall for god's sake.
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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2007, 10:48:56 AM »
I've just remembered. You remember my Chelsea supporting cousin... his brother supports Man U, always has...

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« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2007, 02:23:05 PM »
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:lol: interesting analogy...

thing is... there isnt 100 yards and 11 men between the pianist's finger and the key...  :lol:


Depends on who is playing and how much you want to stop them from playing.
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« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2007, 05:38:45 PM »
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Onto Philly Q, i think you will find that when we had Van Nistlerooy and Veron we wern't owned by a Billionaire and we didn't pay stupid prices for players then like Shevchenko which is the highest price ever paid for a footballer. We pay sensible prices for the majority of our players.

I'm bored of the debate TBH, but just on this money point:

Van Nistelrooy £19 million (British transfer record at the time)
Veron £28 million (another British transfer record at the time.  Sold for £15m, that was a good bit of business)
Rooney £23 million (possibly rising to £31 million, depending on results and appearances)

You might argue that 2 of those were money well spent, but so, it turns out, was the £24m for Drogba.  This picture of Man U as a thrifty little club just doesn't wash.  Why the chip on the shoulder?  You're not Millwall for god's sake.


Van Nistelrooy was top scorer in the premiership for quite a few season i beleive so 19 million isn't bad for that. Rooney is amazing as always and is cheaper than Drogba by 1 million who took time to settle whereas rooney didn't and Veron was great when Alex Ferguson played him even though that is a high price.

And Sambo is you were watching Match of the day you would see that they said Kalou was a bad signing in fact alan hanson said all their January signings were bad.

And where did you get winners of both main domestic cups? You only won the FA cup this season?!

I agree that all these millions is terrible to spend on a player, i meant sensible money as in not the Chelsea way.

To be honest billionaires buying all these clubs is ruining the game and making it so that only a few teams can win everything.

I hate that the Glazer's bought Man UTD and West Ham got bought out too but at least we don't abuse it like Chelsea does.
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« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2007, 06:31:20 PM »
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Van Nistelrooy was top scorer in the premiership for quite a few season i beleive so 19 million isn't bad for that. Rooney is amazing as always and is cheaper than Drogba by 1 million who took time to settle whereas rooney didn't and Veron was great when Alex Ferguson played him even though that is a high price.


that is SUCH a nit-picky statement... "cheaper by 1 million and took time to settle."... talk about splitting hairs...!!!!!!!!

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And where did you get winners of both main domestic cups? You only won the FA cup this season?!


Carling + F.A. cup... everyone cusses the carling cup, Elliot is proof that some people aren't even fans of the F.A much any more... but either way- we won them both.

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i meant sensible money as in not the Chelsea way.


hang on a sec... £25 for Drogba... top scorer...

£28 for Veron... barely every played by Ferguson...  which one is more sensible in the traditional sense? see, i can split hairs too :D


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I hate that the Glazer's bought Man UTD and West Ham got bought out too but at least we don't abuse it like Chelsea does.


i think you mean 'use' it like we do.

we have the money, it would be stupid to NOT use it... is that what all these Chelsea-abusers would have us do? say to Mr.Abramovic;

"well... we'd love your billions, but sorry, we want everyone else to have  a fair try".

i think its safe to say thats never going to happen at any pro football club.

proven by manchester doing the same thing. *cough* hypocrite *cough*.

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« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2007, 06:33:50 PM »
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:lol: interesting analogy...

thing is... there isnt 100 yards and 11 men between the pianist's finger and the key...  :lol:


Depends on who is playing and how much you want to stop them from playing.


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