Bare Knuckle Pickups Forum
Forum Ringside => Guitars, Amps and Effects => Topic started by: JDC on August 28, 2008, 07:47:37 PM
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my mate wants a £200 metal guitar, any recommendations?
personally I think he should stick with the cheap 2nd hand one he's got, it plays fecking sweet, anyway he's been looking at cheap ibanez RGs and it should be fixed bridge
ps on a completely different note, the database system at work has a supplier with the accounting code ENGL-001
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i think it would be a waste to spend £200 on a guitar, 2nd hand if you MUST.. but save it and spend £500 and get something good... a jap tokai or something.
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Save up a bit extra and get this?
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13906.0
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Save up a bit extra and get this?
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13906.0
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Then it'll also LOOK metal :D
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Uncovered warpigs on a fretted and strung-up cricket bat?
Not much youre gonna get for 200 unless you go secnd hand.
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I got one of these - http://www.cort.co.kr/english/products/common/view.asp?product_id=119 - for well under £200 recently, as a backup guitar. I have to say, it is fantastic for the money. If it was my only guitar, I wouldn't be unhappy.
In that sort of price-range, I'd recommend it.
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http://www.andertons.co.uk/acatalog/info_RGR321EXBK.html?utm_source=froogle&utm_medium=fpc&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=froogle
how about that? Fixed bridge Ibanez RG for £200 :)
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Slighty at a tangent, but this would make an excellent metal guitar. Epi SG already pimped with a Warpig set at Sounds Great for £299. They've had it AGES so there's a deal to be had...
(http://www.soundsgreatmusic.com/images/product_images_large/4592_1.jpg)
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^ bargain!!! ^
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http://www.andertons.co.uk/acatalog/info%5f41RWGW%2ehtml
Here you go, cheap and looks metal
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^ bargain!!! ^
Especially as that price must be negotiable...
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I can recommend the Ibanez RG321MHWK. The set up will probably need a tweak, but thats easily done, as per the owners handbook instructions. The all mahogany body and bolt on maple neck deliver nice tones, but not with the stock Ibanez Infinity pups. Rip them out and fit some Painkillers and he'll be in metal heaven.
Some UK outlets are selling them for around £175 now. Spend as much again on a set of Painkillers and decent pots and for around £360 all in, your mate will be more metal than he ever dreamed of 8)
Cheers
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Slighty at a tangent, but this would make an excellent metal guitar. Epi SG already pimped with a Warpig set at Sounds Great for £299. They've had it AGES so there's a deal to be had...
(http://www.soundsgreatmusic.com/images/product_images_large/4592_1.jpg)
With warpigs already fitted
Brilliant!
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Go for that SG!!!
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Pepends on what he wants and what he means by metal, and how much wiggle room he's got.
At and around £200 the Washburn WI200 Pro and X200 Pro are both good, Peavey does some well regarded stuff as well, there's the Cort KX5, some of the Vintage ones are quite nice. There's also the ESP 50 and 100 series guitars.
If he can stretch to £250ish then ther's some good stuff to be had, BC Rich Outlaw, Ibanez ART320 or SZR520, ESPs such as this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ESP-LTD-MH100QM-Electric-Guitar-See-Through-Cherry_W0QQitemZ300252598708QQihZ020QQcategoryZ33038QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
That SG is pretty sweet, but like I say, depends on what he means by metal. You'll struggle to play Hangar 18 on it.
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That SG is pretty sweet, but like I say, depends on what he means by metal. You'll struggle to play Hangar 18 on it.
Will you? With the right amp/pedals you'll have no bother at all.
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I got one of these for £200
http://www.washburn.com/products/electrics/x/x50profe.aspx (http://www.washburn.com/products/electrics/x/x50profe.aspx)
recommended, I like mine a lot
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That SG is pretty sweet, but like I say, depends on what he means by metal. You'll struggle to play Hangar 18 on it.
Will you? With the right amp/pedals you'll have no bother at all.
How are amps and pedals going to effect neck profile, upper fret access and number of frets? :?
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Is Hangar 18 all played on the 23rd and 24th frets or something?
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Is Hangar 18 all played on the 23rd and 24th frets or something?
+1 ;)
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That's what I was thinking!
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You're right, you could play what ever you want on a 21 fret tele provided you aren't interested in playing it exactly as recorded in all parts. However, if you are........ or if you're reliant on tab......
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You're right, you could play what ever you want on a 21 fret tele provided you aren't interested in playing it exactly as recorded in all parts. However, if you are........ or if you're reliant on tab...... but you'll look like a complete c*ck
Corrected a typo for you there.
Roo
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^ :lol: The above statement is factual and therefore I find it amusing.
Also, SGs should all have 24 frets. There's no excuse. I love SGs but that huge gap between the fretboard and neck pickup is the third biggest design flaw in the history of guitarmaking. (only surpassed by the shape of a telecaster and the singlecoil pickup)
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That Washburn looks AMAZING.
If it plays as well as it looks and it really costs £200, I might even buy one.
Edit: List Price: $1,329.90 :|
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Im selling a peavey v type for £200ish. 8) Its a great metal guitar! lamb of god have used them!
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The biggest problem with a £200 budget is that even though a playable guitar can be had for that amount, the pickups will be total rot unless they've already been upgraded.
Going for a 2nd hand guitar is a plus point at this price since it's most likely had a setup, maybe even a fret-stoning to get it playing right. Also, in the case of the SG there are a pair of awesome pickups in the guitar.
If he could walk out the door with that Warpig'd SG for £275 he would have an amazing platform for the majority of metal. Surely he can beg/borrow an extra £75.00 ???
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Exactly my point Mr Hell :)
However if you HAVE to have 24 frets, then it's not good enough :(
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Has anyone ever actually been up to the 24th fret before other than to see how damn high it is?
I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
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I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
Ah, but what if you need to bend up from the E at the 24th fret to a high F# ? Could be crucial. :wink:
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More of an issue is if you need to pull off, tap or sweep, not to mention prebending at tempo on the 22nd fret of an SG is not the easiest of tasks. Like I said, it's a case of what he wants to play. It's not a case of being good enough (jeez man, it's like you're somehow taking this personally :? ), it's a case of wether it's the right tool for the job. For thunderous riffs and old school leads that SG is an awesome beast, for tech metal speed runs based around the 19th fret, it's realy not what you want.
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It's not a case of being good enough (jeez man, it's like you're somehow taking this personally :? )
Who? I think four or five of us responded your your comments about that Epi SG, and it was all pretty light-hearted I thought. :?
You're being extremely specific about what's required for your definition of "metal", but did the original poster mention anything about tapping, sweeping, tech metal speed runs or prebending at tempo? I thought he just wanted a "£200 metal guitar".
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I meant Twinfan. I said very clearly in my first post "it depends what he means by metal". I said the SG was a "sweet" guitar, but that it wasn't ideal for certain stuff. What is wrong with that? I wasn't the one who went off down this whole "do you actually need 24 frets" route. I don't have a definition of metal, it's a very broad genre, which is why I said it depends what he meas by metal. However, I would infer from the fact that he wants a guitar for metal as a second guitar that he either wants a faster neck or something to downtune.
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You seem to have over-reacted to my post(s) Ben. Tonally, I didn't see a problem with the SG. I didn't know Hangar 18 needed a whole heap of stuff (that I can't even pronounce!) playing at the 23rd/24th fret. We don't all know the ins and outs of the metal genre, and all the minute detail therein.
Like Philly, I just thought he wanted a "£200 metal guitar" and in my eyes it fitted the bill.
I hope he finds something that suits him :)
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Has anyone ever actually been up to the 24th fret before other than to see how damn high it is?
I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
I use 24th alot... If you're allways playing in E, which alot of guitarists do, you won't need it so much, but if you play in other keys, there are times when you have to have that 24th fret to get to the higher octaves.
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However, I would infer from the fact that he wants a guitar for metal as a second guitar that he either wants a faster neck or something to downtune.
Oh maybe just something very very black with devil horns on the headstock, sharp pointy bits all over the place and mega-output pickups. :wink:
I think we need JDC to come back and tell us what his mate's actually looking for.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/beast_wmd.jpg)
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I don't think he liked me pointing out the simple and undeniable fact that if you play a tele, you do look like a complete **** on-stage.
Hahah
Roo
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^Truth. And here's proof. Johnny Depp is cool in everthing he does. Give him a tele and he looks like a damn Billy Corgan wannabe.
http://www.dlisted.com/node/28020
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I guess I've just been spending too much time on more confrontational forums :( The irony is that I actually have an epiphone SG for metal!
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I guess I've just been spending too much time on more confrontational forums :(
Nah not really. If it's any consolation I think it's the other guys that overreacted, not you.
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However, I would infer from the fact that he wants a guitar for metal as a second guitar that he either wants a faster neck or something to downtune.
Oh maybe just something very very black with devil horns on the headstock, sharp pointy bits all over the place and mega-output pickups. :wink:
I think we need JDC to come back and tell us what his mate's actually looking for.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/phillyq/beast_wmd.jpg)
my girlfriend saw the picture of this guitar and commented on "how pretty" it was - proof if any were needed that our women should not be allowed to chose our guitars, lmao :lol:
what makes it all the more strange is that her favourite artist is Cat Stevens, hardly know for weilding BC Rich's.
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Perhaps she's just seeing the artistic design of the guitar and not the bald, overweight beer-swilling bikers and masochistic teens who are likely to use them.
In terms of design I can think of far better extreme shapes (i.e. ones which don't jab you hard in the ribs every couple of seconds.).
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def get an ibby, no challengers in quality for the price. period.
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def get an ibby, no challengers in quality for the price. period.
Schecter.
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def get an ibby, no challengers in quality for the price. period.
Schecter.
Schecters are ok, but i find Ibbys better; especially RGs for quality vs. price.
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def get an ibby, no challengers in quality for the price. period.
Schecter.
Schecters are ok, but i find Ibbys better; especially RGs for quality vs. price.
I've heard a lot of people say that there's not much difference between a £200 and a £2000 Ibanez.
I thought there was a huge difference in quality between my friend's £400 S and my £900 S though. Loads of little things like the finish quality, the comfort carving of the neck around the heel (they both had the same comfort contour on the body though), the neck carve was far better, the frets were finished loads smoother, it resonated better, the wood quality was clearly higher...
The £500 one was still a damn good guitar, but going up towards the £1000 mark made a lot of difference if it's a guitar you intend to keep...
...not that that's relevant to the thread at all. Sorry.
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I own a £400ish Ibanez, and will easily say that it doesn't compete with any of the good Ibanez's and doesn't compete with ow budget Schecters. I'd say Schecter were easily at the top in terms of quality+price.
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God those war Pigs in the SG look like something dropped on Hiroshima. I have to Agree with most of the posts here. Cant be too good with a 200 guitar. Used maybe but even if the guy sold his old one and spent a little more he could get an SG or something better from Ibanez, which make great Metal guitars, or gibson with better pickups or actually get a steve allander PRS or check musicians friend. THey sell brand new PRS guitars for 600 usd Im sure used you could get a better deal on. THose guitars are awesome. Of course Bareknuckle pickups would be kick ass.
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I own a £400ish Ibanez, and will easily say that it doesn't compete with any of the good Ibanez's and doesn't compete with ow budget Schecters. I'd say Schecter were easily at the top in terms of quality+price.
I own a 175 quid Ibby and it smashes Schecters listed for hundreds more. Each to his own buddy.
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£200 metal guitar? here we go:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EPIPHONE-GIBSON-1958-FLYING-V-GOTH-SERIES-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ270270922343QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270270922343&_trkparms=72%3A985%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EPIPHONE-GIBSON-1958-FLYING-V-GOTH-SERIES-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ270270922343QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270270922343&_trkparms=72%3A985%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
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I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
Ah, but what if you need to bend up from the E at the 24th fret to a high F# ? Could be crucial. :wink:
then i'll reach for my 36 fret sky guitar ;) where will you go now philly?
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Don't buy an Epiphone you will be dissapointed.
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Yeah I don't get on with Epiphones at all. Tried a couple and a lot of harmonics are basically "missing" lol. Not a great choice if you want to learn pinchies.
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Don't buy an Epiphone you will be dissapointed.
That's a bit harsh - some of them are nice guitars!
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I know you can find some goodens, but the majority is cack. Plus it's an ebay auction so he can't try before he buys.
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So what does anybody think about my Peavey reccomendation. Its a sweet guitar and for £200 smacks i think it beats schecter and ibby and most others!!
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Don't buy an Epiphone you will be dissapointed.
That's a bit harsh - some of them are nice guitars!
I love my Les Paul custom!
I will admit that some are a bit cack though, you gotta make sure you get a good one.
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Yeah I don't get on with Epiphones at all. Tried a couple and a lot of harmonics are basically "missing" lol. Not a great choice if you want to learn pinchies.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that cant be true for a particular brand - no matter what brand of guitar you speak of.
A string will have all the harmonics it should as long as the string isnt knackered or that there is nothing stopping the string from ringing out.
I have worked on a lot of the Gothic vs and they are some of the better guitars that Epiphone ever made
The Epiphone goth V will be pretty damn good
It doesnt try to be all things - so there is no cheap floyd copy that just wont perform
Buy it , put fresh strings on it and get playing
If anything allow some extra cash to have her set up or at most fret dressed at some point
Alternatively Jibidy's Peavey will work well if its not too glam for him.
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I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
Ah, but what if you need to bend up from the E at the 24th fret to a high F# ? Could be crucial. :wink:
then i'll reach for my 36 fret sky guitar ;) where will you go now philly?
I'd be very impressed and give up arguing - if you had one! :P
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opprobrium_9 wrote
I own a 175 quid Ibby and it smashes Schecters listed for hundreds more. Each to his own buddy.
I'm a fan of cheapo Ibanez RGs also, especially with a set of BKPs in em. They can be a bit rough and ready straight out of the box and the stock pups are rubbish but they're very easy to set up to suit your own preferences. I think the tone woods and sheer playability they offer at those price levels are pretty impressive - especially with a set of BKPs factored into the overall price :lol:
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I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
Ah, but what if you need to bend up from the E at the 24th fret to a high F# ? Could be crucial. :wink:
then i'll reach for my 36 fret sky guitar ;) where will you go now philly?
I'd be very impressed and give up arguing - if you had one! :P
Ooh - just had a memo from Gwem
Seems his Uli Roth fetish has gotten the better of him
Has ordered a 6 and a 7 string version of the Sky Guitar, and will I pop into the wholefood store at the end of my road to get the vegan cookbook for him :?
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I don't imagine it's a note that needs to be used very often (ever), and even if it is why not just bend up to it?
Ah, but what if you need to bend up from the E at the 24th fret to a high F# ? Could be crucial. :wink:
then i'll reach for my 36 fret sky guitar ;) where will you go now philly?
I'd be very impressed and give up arguing - if you had one! :P
Ooh - just had a memo from Gwem
Seems his Uli Roth fetish has gotten the better of him
Has ordered a 6 and a 7 string version of the Sky Guitar, and will I pop into the wholefood store at the end of my road to get the vegan cookbook for him :?
jonothans going to meditate on a mantra invoking the power of the pheonix for a hour before he works on my sky guitars so that he is more at one with the cosmos and the elemental energies of the earth.
furthermore i have sold my collection of flying Vs which i now find too limiting for my art, i'm using the funds to finance my move from shoreditch to a commune in the welsh highlands.
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Yeah I don't get on with Epiphones at all. Tried a couple and a lot of harmonics are basically "missing" lol. Not a great choice if you want to learn pinchies.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that cant be true for a particular brand - no matter what brand of guitar you speak of.
A string will have all the harmonics it should as long as the string isnt knackered or that there is nothing stopping the string from ringing out.
I have worked on a lot of the Gothic vs and they are some of the better guitars that Epiphone ever made
The Epiphone goth V will be pretty damn good
It doesnt try to be all things - so there is no cheap floyd copy that just wont perform
Buy it , put fresh strings on it and get playing
If anything allow some extra cash to have her set up or at most fret dressed at some point
Alternatively Jibidy's Peavey will work well if its not too glam for him.
Aye I apologise, my statement was fairly sweeping. :P
I should point out that I have tried 3 different Epiphone SG's and a Les Paul copy and for some reason, maybe a pickup issue, some of the pinchies I can get on most other guitars don't come through. I can hear the string making the sound, but for whatever reason it doesn't seem to translate across to the signal. Even on an Epiphone Gothic SG with a Nailbomb at the bridge, for instance, one pinchie that just refused to come through the amp was on the 3rd fret on the bottom E (or bottom C# as it was tuned).
But again, this is just my personal experience. I'm certain other people have better luck. :D
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jonothans going to meditate on a mantra invoking the power of the pheonix for a hour before he works on my sky guitars so that he is more at one with the cosmos and the elemental energies of the earth.
furthermore i have sold my collection of flying Vs which i now find too limiting for my art, i'm using the funds to finance my move from shoreditch to a commune in the welsh highlands.
To get the look right, you may also be needing some silk kimonos, knee boots and one of those extra-wide headbands to "cleverly" hide a receding hairline (...in due course). Or get one of the Bret Michaels ones with the hair permanently attached.
Fair play though, the man is a god (that's Uli, not Bret....).
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Fair play though, the man is a god (that's Uli, not Bret....).
you're right there... and such feeling too - not just malmsteen style speed.
i've got a couple of epiphones, reckon their pretty good myself. ok, you might want to upgrade the pickups at some stage, and maybe even a fret dress as feline says.
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opprobrium_9 wrote
I own a 175 quid Ibby and it smashes Schecters listed for hundreds more. Each to his own buddy.
I'm a fan of cheapo Ibanez RGs also, especially with a set of BKPs in em. They can be a bit rough and ready straight out of the box and the stock pups are rubbish but they're very easy to set up to suit your own preferences. I think the tone woods and sheer playability they offer at those price levels are pretty impressive - especially with a set of BKPs factored into the overall price :lol:
You hit the nail pretty much on the head with that one. My feelings exactly.
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I have an Epiphone, Its the custom shop one with the Meastro Vibrola. with a pair of covered Lt. Emeralds in it, its the only guitar i have to play at the moment and i dont have any problem with wailing out pinchies, certanly not Zakk Wylde or Dimebag but still they get the point of a good pinch across.
I think it would definatly benefit with a little neck work as Jonothan suggested.
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I have an Epiphone, Its the custom shop one with the Meastro Vibrola. with a pair of covered Lt. Emeralds in it, its the only guitar i have to play at the moment and i dont have any problem with wailing out pinchies, certanly not Zakk Wylde or Dimebag but still they get the point of a good pinch across.
I think it would definatly benefit with a little neck work as Jonothan suggested.
I think epiphones are like a kind of project and can grow with you. Out the box they are cool beginners guitars... and then with pickups they are cool intermediate guitars (my playing level I guess), and then with a fret dress you can start to take on the big boys (not there yet! :) ). I'm pro-epiphone, but i guess everyone has different views.
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Bit late but....
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/lucky_luke61/IMG_1215.jpg)
What about this for an 80's hair metal guitar?
24 fret
Rosewood board
Trem
Lairy paint job (you have to see it in the flesh... it is a pale gold pearl finish)
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BIT late!?!??
BIT, he says!
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Sixteen months is quite a bit...
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Hey... it took 8 weeks to get here from Japan...
:?
:P
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it's so late that my mate got lucky and got a nice washburn, got rid of it, didn't listen to me or anyone else from local jam night and bought a cr@ppy aria with a licensed floyd on it, then 2 weeks later cut all the strings off and couldn't get it back in tune even though another friend had told him how to change strings properly
oh how we laughed
lucky git did get a 2nd hand vox valvetronix 2x12 for £100!!! then moaned he couldn't get a good sound out of it, ignored us all again and bought a metal zone, and now he's on about selling the vox
which he happened to have at jam night last week and all the eq knobs were turned to zero!!!
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I really love my Schecter, was only 169 GBP, although the stock pickups aren't the best they aint the worst either, nothing that a good set of BKP wouldn't sort out tho ;)
But then it depends why he was looking at an RG, is it cos of the neck? or does he just like the look and price?
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Bit late but....
What about this for an 80's hair metal guitar?
24 fret
Rosewood board
Trem
Lairy paint job (you have to see it in the flesh... it is a pale gold pearl finish)
What is it, Mike? Don't think I've seen one of those before.
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It is a Yamaha YSG - there was an early series which are quite sought after - really nice bulids - then a Series II - this is a later one. Very PRS inspired - very little information out there about them - not sure that many were exported - tough to date too, as Yamaha serial numbers repeat - I picked this up on a whim, to fill a shipment from Japan - will be for sale shortly. Came with a nice Orville Les Paul and a 'project' SG2000 - needs lots of TLC!
Back to the YSG
Twin humbuckers
Set neck
24 frets
Rosewood board
Medium/large frets
Yamaha trem (missing the arm but should be able to get a replacement)
Body shape is nicely contoured (a la PRS)
Can't tell what sort of wood is in these as it is all lacquered
Here is close up of body:
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/lucky_luke61/IMG_1216.jpg)
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Forget "metal" guitar...
Go for a Vintage. Any of the V100 series are awesome. as long as it's mahogany and set neck, he'll be good to go.
Check out a vid or 2 on here: Click (http://www.youtube.com/user/milo9)
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YSG on eBay tonight...
I followed some forum advice and polished the board and frets using lemon oil and some 0000 wire wool (Liberon) - worked a treat! I think some more of my guitars will be getting the 0000 treatment!
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Save up a bit extra and get this?
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=13906.0
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Then it'll also LOOK metal :D
terrible bridge on those ibbies (my right hand begins to hurt seriously after 30 minutes...), but they're really good and look killer!
just replace at least the damn saddles.